Discussion in 'Politics' started by Annie, Nov 19, 2012.
I find someone else who agrees with a few of us:
Vodkapundit » An Open Letter to the GOP Leadership
42 views and no comments? It seems to me that those who think Obama has the best plan forward should be embracing this fully. Obvious to you it would be what has been asked, for a long time, no?
Are the conservatives afraid that the liberals are correct, that such 'following the will of the people' will lead to a sudden increase in GDP, an unemployment rate back to 5%, and an increase in revenue?
Had this discussion last week with some people. These were my sentiments as well. Turn over the keys to the Dems and see what happens. If it works great, if not you can play the "I told you so" game
It's really a win win
Okay. Let's talk about Obama's revenue raising plan. Great idea.
Obama wants to raise the tax margins on the top two percent back to what they were under Clinton. He does not want to return everyone's tax rates to Clinton's, just the top two percenters.
This will raise $1.6 trillion over the next ten years.
At this point, the peanut gallery points out this is not enough. The OP is such an example:
So that must mean the Republicans have a better idea, right?
The Republican plan is to cap deductions on household earnings for people who make more than $250,000.
And THIS will solve the problem, right? Right? That's not just some damp sponge, right?
That plan would raise the same amount of money.
So what was it you were saying? Something about lighter fluid on your nads.
I'm hoping the country is deep enough in resources to survive 4 years of this. Truth is, the time has come for one party and their ideas to be given 'a fair try.' Obama had an electoral landslide, so the time is theirs.
As you say, if they are correct, we win. If they are wrong, the reins will be passed, as the failure will be owned by one party.
I don't see the relevancy of conservative plans on really, anything. This is Obama's time.
You don't have a choice about giving the keys to Obama. The GOP lost, so it isn't your choice. Don't pretend it is.
Instead of attacking, you better start coming up with better ideas.
Of course you don't see. That's why you lost.
You can't come up with superior ideas, so all you can do is attack the other guy's plan.
The GOP is ideologically and intellectually bankrupt.
You have earned Obama. You certainly worked hard enough to make sure he got re-elected.
Why are you entitled to other people's money just because they have more than you? If your wife puts out 4 times a week and mine only puts out 2 times a week, should you only get to have sex with her 3 times and I get to 1 time to get my "fair share"?
And the GOP plan differs...how?
It also targets the top two percent.
Whether or not there are 'superior plans' from the conservative side is beside the point, they lost. Thus the plans, as you sort of intimate, are Obama's to succeed or fail.
I'm saying that he should get what he asks for. The 'loyal opposition' should state why they feel something may be wrong, but given him credit for winning, and support his plans.
You get to keep your 4 times a week with your wife and I get my 2 times a week with mine. But hey, if you're willing to be charitable on your own and share........
You seem overly confident Obama's plans will fail. Just like the right was overly confident Romney was winning.
And just like being gobsmacked by reality on Election Day, being overly confident Obama will fail could seriously blow up in your face.
Your attitude is one that hopes America suffers. That's pretty sick.
You obviously don't comprehend the GOP plan.
Let me sum it up in a way you can understand: Tax the rich more.
And in case anyone is assuming something about me, I do not believe the solution is to tax the rich more.
I believe we need to reform the tax code entirely. This back and forth haggling between the GOP and the Democrats over how much more to tax the rich is a gigantic shell game that continues the game of fucking us all over.
Eliminate all tax expenditures. All of them. Every last one. There are $1 trillion of them. That's ANNUALLY. The Democrats and Republicans are fighting over $160 billion annually.
And make it impossible for a bought-and-paid-for Congress to add any tax expenditures to the code.
That's the real cure.
So they are the same,but only different,because one party is intellectually bankrupt?
The party in power always has the advantage. To succeed the party in power you have to have superior ideas.
Conservatives used to be the smartest people in the room. Now they have the intellectual capacity of a bumper sticker.
Both parties have been on a downward spiral for some time. That's why we keep trading one monkey for a worse monkey. Vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil, and get progressively worse evils from which to choose.
In actuality it seems that the best thing to do here is to consider and advise your representatives. Responding to liberals 'red herrings' or 'advice' is likely not in your best interests.
One can surely argue that every 'conservative representative' should vote his or her ideology. However, I do think the country is running out of steam with such a divide.
With this approach there is the possibility that the liberal ideas will result in good times for all. I don't see a downside to that. OTOH, if instead it produces more of the past 6 years or worse? The point will be obvious and the majority party now won't be down the road.
There are several reforms that are needed. And until they are enacted, it won't matter which party is in power.
It will matter which party proffers them first.
The sooner, the better.
Rather than being passive or being on the constant attack against everything in sight, the Republican party needs to shake off its stupor, take out the trash, and get back to basics.
1. Raise the retirement age.
2. Eliminate tax expenditures once and for all.
3. Level the financial services sector's playing field.
4. Educate for the jobs of the future.
5. Fix our immigration quota so that the immigrant labor supply meets the immigrant labor demand.
Just for starters.
I'll not disagree. Can't wait to see those proposed by Reid.
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