Give 'em hell, Howard!

[elvis]

"I know what I'm talking about. This is my life's work..."
Howard Dean

This is 15 minutes long, but well worth watching. We cannot pass a health care reform bill just to get one done.

Morning Joe

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

chris doesn't believe in personal responsibility. He believes in leeching off everyone else.

 

[garyd]

Of course it needs to die. We don't need 2000 pages to take care of the 5% of people that don't have health insurance nor do we need a damn governmnt run health care system. A very few common sense changfes in rules and regulations could save millions without the feds takingover or providing anything beyond what they already do.

 

[Maple]

amazingly i agree with dean....

i've always thought that if there is no public option or expansion of medicare, this is just a huge boon to insurance co's....this bill isn't going to change anything....if the dems pass it, i hope in 2010 that people come out and vote against them

Me too, burn the bill.

 

[Chris]

"I know what I'm talking about. This is my life's work..."
Howard Dean

This is 15 minutes long, but well worth watching. We cannot pass a health care reform bill just to get one done.

Morning Joe

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

 

[elvis]

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

and they all get to wait 100 times as long as Americans do... comrade stalin.

 

[Yurt]

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

how is that relevant to the united states of america?

 

[California Girl]

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

And.... every single one of the governments of those countries would give their right arm to be able to ditch their broken systems. The US leads the world in medical advances - why do you think that is? Because of the investment that the pharmas etc are able to make. Why do people come to the US from all over the world for treatment? Because we have the best treatment. Yes, our system needs reform - what we don't need is to follow others into a system that will be worse than the one we have now. I know the British system very well - while the Brits defend it, they know it's crap - it is not what it was designed to be, it's bust and they know it.... they just can't afford to fix it.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

The American right is dumb as a box of rocks.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. National health insurance would be good for all of us. As usual the corporate greedheads are holding the country hostage. The greatest threat to American security are the Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

You need to check your facts before shooting your mouth off Chris...you wonder why no one takes your communist rants seriously....

 

[Chris]

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

You need to check your facts before shooting your mouth off Chris...you wonder why no one takes your communist rants seriously....

Everything in that post is the truth, so you attack me personally.

Too bad you have no facts to come back with.

 

[Chris]

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

And.... every single one of the governments of those countries would give their right arm to be able to ditch their broken systems. The US leads the world in medical advances - why do you think that is? Because of the investment that the pharmas etc are able to make. Why do people come to the US from all over the world for treatment? Because we have the best treatment. Yes, our system needs reform - what we don't need is to follow others into a system that will be worse than the one we have now. I know the British system very well - while the Brits defend it, they know it's crap - it is not what it was designed to be, it's bust and they know it.... they just can't afford to fix it.

The British system is socialized medicine where the doctors and the hospitals work for the government. That is not a good system.

What seems to work best is a combination of national health insurance and private insurance like the French have.

And as far as medical advances go, most of those come from non profit universities around the world.

 

[Chris]

and their tax rates are astronomical...sometimes reaching 80% of their gross income...left out that little tidbit didn't you Chris...and what about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...why is it you socialists want the government to do EVERYTHING FOR YOU!!!!!......is that what your after????

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

how is that relevant to the united states of america?

Because our system is expensive, bloated, and unfair.

We are being ripped off by the healthcare lobbyists.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

And.... every single one of the governments of those countries would give their right arm to be able to ditch their broken systems. The US leads the world in medical advances - why do you think that is? Because of the investment that the pharmas etc are able to make. Why do people come to the US from all over the world for treatment? Because we have the best treatment. Yes, our system needs reform - what we don't need is to follow others into a system that will be worse than the one we have now. I know the British system very well - while the Brits defend it, they know it's crap - it is not what it was designed to be, it's bust and they know it.... they just can't afford to fix it.

The British system is socialized medicine where the doctors and the hospitals work for the government. That is not a good system.

What seems to work best is a combination of national health insurance and private insurance like the French have.

And as far as medical advances go, most of those come from non profit universities around the world.

Move to France...then write back and tell us how great it is to have health insurance paid for by your fucking neighbor.

Get ready for this you fucking hack....

Much of that economic malaise can be blamed on France's tax and regulation systems. France's tax burden is one of the highest in Europe -- welfare states don't come cheap. The top marginal income tax rate is 48 percent. When payroll taxes are included, the French can pay as much as 65 percent of their income in taxes. The top corporate tax rate is 34 percent. There is also a 19.6 percent value-added tax (VAT). Overall, taxes consume nearly 44 percent of France's GDP. And even this isn't enough to pay for the French welfare state. France's national debt tops 68 percent of GDP, quite aside from the unfunded liabilities of the French Social Security system -- a debt some estimate to exceed 200 percent of GDP.

Welfare Lessons from France | Michael D. Tanner | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...yeah...move to France asshole...we don't need your types here in America.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

You need to check your facts before shooting your mouth off Chris...you wonder why no one takes your communist rants seriously....

Everything in that post is the truth, so you attack me personally.

Too bad you have no facts to come back with.

Now......shut your fucking pie hole bitch.

 

[saveliberty]

Horseshit.

These are the lies repeated by the right wing nuts over and over again.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because there are inherent cost savings with such a system. That's why everyone else uses one.

how is that relevant to the united states of america?

Because our system is expensive, bloated, and unfair.

We are being ripped off by the healthcare lobbyists.

The lobbyists are ripping us off? So why not just eliminate lobbyists? Problem solved. Oh, because you made a false statement.

 

[Claudette]

how is that relevant to the united states of america?

Because our system is expensive, bloated, and unfair.

We are being ripped off by the healthcare lobbyists.

The lobbyists are ripping us off? So why not just eliminate lobbyists? Problem solved. Oh, because you made a false statement.

Wasn't that included in OL'BO's CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. No more lobbyists or earmarks??? Kinda sorta didn't happen doncha know??

 

[Chris]

how is that relevant to the united states of america?

Because our system is expensive, bloated, and unfair.

We are being ripped off by the healthcare lobbyists.

The lobbyists are ripping us off? So why not just eliminate lobbyists? Problem solved. Oh, because you made a false statement.

Of course they are ripping us off.

They are the reason that we pay more for drugs and healthcare than any country in the world.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Because our system is expensive, bloated, and unfair.

We are being ripped off by the healthcare lobbyists.

The lobbyists are ripping us off? So why not just eliminate lobbyists? Problem solved. Oh, because you made a false statement.

Of course they are ripping us off.

They are the reason that we pay more for drugs and healthcare than any country in the world.

WRONG!!!!!!!!

The costs are the same...the difference is GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES....in other words TAXES on their citizens are used to subsidize the healthcare industry.

 

[Chris]

The lobbyists are ripping us off? So why not just eliminate lobbyists? Problem solved. Oh, because you made a false statement.

Of course they are ripping us off.

They are the reason that we pay more for drugs and healthcare than any country in the world.

WRONG!!!!!!!!

The costs are the same...the difference is GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES....in other words TAXES on their citizens are used to subsidize the healthcare industry.

That's just silly. The percentage of GDP spent on healthcare is MUCH HIGHER in the United States than any other country in the world.

But lets get down to the nuts and bolts. How do other countries do a better job of providing healthcare to everyone and limiting costs at the same time?

They negotiate drug prices on behalf of patients. Lower costs.

They have free medical schools, so there are more doctors per capita than we have. Greater supply, lower costs.

They provide a government option to compete with the private insurance companies. More competition, lower costs.

They limit medical liability, so doctors don't have to practice defensive medicine. Lower liability, lower costs.

In the case of single payer systems like Canada, the administrative costs are much less because they don't have to pay admin costs for150 different for profit insurance companies. Less overhead, lower costs.

And lastly, because they have systems that cover everyone, people don't overuse the emergency room, which is the most expensive healthcare of all. Less emergency room visits, lower costs.

Of course none of this takes into account the horrible costs to society our system brings. Medical bankruptcies, delayed care, and the fact that our companies are less competitive in the world market, because of high healthcare costs born by employers. Our system is morally wrong and very destructive to our society.

 

[elvis]

Of course they are ripping us off.

They are the reason that we pay more for drugs and healthcare than any country in the world.

WRONG!!!!!!!!

The costs are the same...the difference is GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES....in other words TAXES on their citizens are used to subsidize the healthcare industry.

That's just silly. The percentage of GDP spent on healthcare is MUCH HIGHER in the United States than any other country in the world.

But lets get down to the nuts and bolts. How do other countries do a better job of providing healthcare to everyone and limiting costs at the same time?

They negotiate drug prices on behalf of patients. Lower costs.

They have free medical schools, so there are more doctors per capita than we have. Greater supply, lower costs.

They provide a government option to compete with the private insurance companies. More competition, lower costs.

They limit medical liability, so doctors don't have to practice defensive medicine. Lower liability, lower costs.

In the case of single payer systems like Canada, the administrative costs are much less because they don't have to pay admin costs for150 different for profit insurance companies. Less overhead, lower costs.

And lastly, because they have systems that cover everyone, people don't overuse the emergency room, which is the most expensive healthcare of all. Less emergency room visits, lower costs.

Of course none of this takes into account the horrible costs to society our system brings. Medical bankruptcies, delayed care, and the fact that our companies are less competitive in the world market, because of high healthcare costs born by employers. Our system is morally wrong and very destructive to our society.

and you continue to have your head up your ass.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Of course they are ripping us off.

They are the reason that we pay more for drugs and healthcare than any country in the world.

WRONG!!!!!!!!

The costs are the same...the difference is GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES....in other words TAXES on their citizens are used to subsidize the healthcare industry.

That's just silly. The percentage of GDP spent on healthcare is MUCH HIGHER in the United States than any other country in the world.

But lets get down to the nuts and bolts. How do other countries do a better job of providing healthcare to everyone and limiting costs at the same time?

They negotiate drug prices on behalf of patients. Lower costs.

They have free medical schools, so there are more doctors per capita than we have. Greater supply, lower costs.

They provide a government option to compete with the private insurance companies. More competition, lower costs.

They limit medical liability, so doctors don't have to practice defensive medicine. Lower liability, lower costs.

In the case of single payer systems like Canada, the administrative costs are much less because they don't have to pay admin costs for150 different for profit insurance companies. Less overhead, lower costs.

And lastly, because they have systems that cover everyone, people don't overuse the emergency room, which is the most expensive healthcare of all. Less emergency room visits, lower costs.

Of course none of this takes into account the horrible costs to society our system brings. Medical bankruptcies, delayed care, and the fact that our companies are less competitive in the world market, because of high healthcare costs born by employers. Our system is morally wrong and very destructive to our society.

2 words....GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES!!!! They don't negotiate SHIT!!!!

France's state-subsidized medical system is considered liberal because doctors and dentists establish private practices, and patients, who are free to choose their own providers, are reimbursed by the state for up to 85% of medical costs.

Health Care in France

any more unsubstaniated statements you would like to make?