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[Gunny]

Wow ... you suck at movie history. First, The Day the Earth Stood Still is based on a novel from a long time ago and you really missed the point of that one. The Day After Tomorrow was one you actually got right. Now, your "bestiality for kids"? You must be talking about Disney, since they are the closest, or Pixar, but both are just huge misses, since Pixar's only moral is to have fun with life and Disney just cannibalizes old fairy tales. The "Christians being insane" ... I am guessing you don't like history much at all, since every movie that shows the dark side of that religious following has been factually true to some level, except the DeVinci Code ... that was a stretch. Disney (which is a right wing christian owned and operated company) is responsible for much of the glorifying sex to children, and romantic comedies are trash that are produced evenly across the board (Ashton, the biggest scum in Hollywood, is a right wing christian BTW).

Enough of that part, I could go on forever with that. But your last point shows you also have seen very few action movies, since a lot are often not about "men being men" but are about *gasp* action and adventure! Many of which have very strong women role models who ... kick some serious ass. Good action movies break stereotypes, because there are a lot of strong women in the world, I am talking about physically strong. The only reason co-ed sports don't work is because women tend to put men to shy in them.

I recommend you watch more movies.

Methinks you went a bit far in your last paragraph. While there ARE exceptions which I don't believe anyone has claimed there aren't, women in general CAN'T keep up with men, and pound for pound, are nowhere near as strong.

That's not saying women do not have their strengths in areas that would make most men squeal. But it isn't in athletic endeavor. Part of the reason for that is women trying to play man's games, designed by men for men. Automatic disadvantage.

Ever notice how men's and women's gymnastics are not the same? Because each is designed to play to the strengths of the respective genders. It is one athletic endeavor where the playing field is actually level. At the same time, the exercises themselves are hardly comparable.

Men and women are different. Women seem to have a much harder time with this than men. We are supposed to compliment one another, not try to be better at being the other than they are.

All I know is, if' I've got a man breaking in my house (and for some insane reason I call the police rather than reach for my own guns), and a WOMAN shows up to rescue me...

We are not men. And I think it's INSANE that women try to be men.

A female police officer? A firearm is a GREAT equalizer and has nothing to do with physical prowess beyond the ability to aim and fire.

 

[Gunny]

Wow ... you suck at movie history. First, The Day the Earth Stood Still is based on a novel from a long time ago and you really missed the point of that one. The Day After Tomorrow was one you actually got right. Now, your "bestiality for kids"? You must be talking about Disney, since they are the closest, or Pixar, but both are just huge misses, since Pixar's only moral is to have fun with life and Disney just cannibalizes old fairy tales. The "Christians being insane" ... I am guessing you don't like history much at all, since every movie that shows the dark side of that religious following has been factually true to some level, except the DeVinci Code ... that was a stretch. Disney (which is a right wing christian owned and operated company) is responsible for much of the glorifying sex to children, and romantic comedies are trash that are produced evenly across the board (Ashton, the biggest scum in Hollywood, is a right wing christian BTW).

Enough of that part, I could go on forever with that. But your last point shows you also have seen very few action movies, since a lot are often not about "men being men" but are about *gasp* action and adventure! Many of which have very strong women role models who ... kick some serious ass. Good action movies break stereotypes, because there are a lot of strong women in the world, I am talking about physically strong. The only reason co-ed sports don't work is because women tend to put men to shy in them.

I recommend you watch more movies.

Methinks you went a bit far in your last paragraph. While there ARE exceptions which I don't believe anyone has claimed there aren't, women in general CAN'T keep up with men, and pound for pound, are nowhere near as strong.

That's not saying women do not have their strengths in areas that would make most men squeal. But it isn't in athletic endeavor. Part of the reason for that is women trying to play man's games, designed by men for men. Automatic disadvantage.

Ever notice how men's and women's gymnastics are not the same? Because each is designed to play to the strengths of the respective genders. It is one athletic endeavor where the playing field is actually level. At the same time, the exercises themselves are hardly comparable.

Men and women are different. Women seem to have a much harder time with this than men. We are supposed to compliment one another, not try to be better at being the other than they are.

There are several factors, I was over generalizing yes, mostly for effect, also because ... well ... I like being tough myself.

It is possible for women to develop the same level of strength, even if not the same method or technique. While the muscle groups vary, they are still muscles.

It is possible for women to develop the same level of strength by unnatural means. Naturally, unless they are one of the exceptions, they cannot. This goes back to trying to compete with men at being men from my previous post.

Muscles are FAR more complex than your statement indicates, and your statement does not include skeletal differences. If it was as simple as that, we would all be built identically.

 

[Gunny]

Methinks you went a bit far in your last paragraph. While there ARE exceptions which I don't believe anyone has claimed there aren't, women in general CAN'T keep up with men, and pound for pound, are nowhere near as strong.

That's not saying women do not have their strengths in areas that would make most men squeal. But it isn't in athletic endeavor. Part of the reason for that is women trying to play man's games, designed by men for men. Automatic disadvantage.

Ever notice how men's and women's gymnastics are not the same? Because each is designed to play to the strengths of the respective genders. It is one athletic endeavor where the playing field is actually level. At the same time, the exercises themselves are hardly comparable.

Men and women are different. Women seem to have a much harder time with this than men. We are supposed to compliment one another, not try to be better at being the other than they are.

There are several factors, I was over generalizing yes, mostly for effect, also because ... well ... I like being tough myself.

It is possible for women to develop the same level of strength, even if not the same method or technique. While the muscle groups vary, they are still muscles.

I've seen seemingly scrawny men lift weights that have shocked me. I have seen beefed up brawny women lift almost nothing.

I think just from my own observation that square inch to square inch of muscle between men and women, we women just do not have the power men do. It blows my mind but its true.

Men. Some are just "wirey" but I never underestimate their strength. Not if they're really men and not a confused woman on hormones

Muscular size alone is not "the" indicator of strength. Bodybuilders are bigger than powerlifters, but nowhere near as strong. One wants to get big and look good, the other wants to pick up heavy things. Two different goals and ways of training.

A body's natural strength is the basic key, Tendon and ligament strength is as important as muscular strength to a powerlifter. How tall one is, and how long one's arms and legs are are key factors. Which muscle fibers (fast or slow twitch) dominate each muscle group are key factors. Skeletal alignment and strength.

A far more complex issue than it appears on the surface.

 

[JenT]

Methinks you went a bit far in your last paragraph. While there ARE exceptions which I don't believe anyone has claimed there aren't, women in general CAN'T keep up with men, and pound for pound, are nowhere near as strong.

That's not saying women do not have their strengths in areas that would make most men squeal. But it isn't in athletic endeavor. Part of the reason for that is women trying to play man's games, designed by men for men. Automatic disadvantage.

Ever notice how men's and women's gymnastics are not the same? Because each is designed to play to the strengths of the respective genders. It is one athletic endeavor where the playing field is actually level. At the same time, the exercises themselves are hardly comparable.

Men and women are different. Women seem to have a much harder time with this than men. We are supposed to compliment one another, not try to be better at being the other than they are.

All I know is, if' I've got a man breaking in my house (and for some insane reason I call the police rather than reach for my own guns), and a WOMAN shows up to rescue me...

We are not men. And I think it's INSANE that women try to be men.

A female police officer? A firearm is a GREAT equalizer and has nothing to do with physical prowess beyond the ability to aim and fire.

sure. unless it's that time of her cycle and she's feeling overemotional that day, something that DOES effect how we think and act

and just by being confronted by a woman, an attacker will be encouraged to overpower her, whether it's justified or not

I think it's completely unwise to have lessor requirements for women than men in order for women to get jobs to be politically correct. Men can be passed over in order to hire the woman and for what? So a fireman can put his life in the hands of a female partner that can't lift the weight necessary to save his life in an emergency?

So the Rosie O'Donnels of the world can pretend they have proved they are as good as a man?

In some ways we're better than men. In other ways we're not. Over all we're equal, but we have different strengths and weaknesses. Acting like we're blind to that is just stupid. It's something to be celebrated not endeavored to ignore IMHO.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What the hell happen to my thread?

 

[Terry]

What the hell happen to my thread?

I have no idea and sorry to add to the derailment but I just stopped in to tell you. Every time I see this thread title, I start singing the GI joe jingle.

Thanks!

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Remember this is a movie based on toys,
I expected a rotten story line and great special effects.
The movie storyline was far better then I anticipated , so it was not as mindless as it could have been .
A fair effort was made at character development,The scenery and sets were excellent .
The effects delivered But don't look to deeply into the physics of the action sequences.
I was a fun movie , pure eye candy, suitable for kids unless you object to violence with no noticeable foul language or sexual images .
The sequel will be better , but not much.

Mr. Fitnah is there a liberal message in it? I am so sick of libs trying to force their ideology through hollywood

Not so as it ruins the fun.
It isnt Capt Planet .

 

[Dis]

What the hell happen to my thread?

If you have thread expectations, you might want to check them at the door. THIS is normal.

 

[Gunny]

What the hell happen to my thread?

Me. Want a new one or what?

GI Joe, known slayer of Bar ....errr ... bad guys can only get so much mileage.

 

[KittenKoder]

What the hell happen to my thread?

Oddly, this is closer to the original topic than some at this point.

 

[Gudrid]

sure. unless it's that time of her cycle and she's feeling overemotional that day, something that DOES effect how we think and act

Men have a hormonal cycle that effects them similarly. It's called IMS. Not all men experience it, just as not all women experience PMS to the same degree. But it's a good thing to be aware of, so that men don't get put in unfair position.

Some women are stronger than some men. You're dealing with averages. There are not usually, for instance, different requirements for men and women firefighters. If you get a woman there saving you, in most areas she's had to meet the same requirements as a man who was there saving you. And I agree with you that the requirements should be the same, but I strongly disagree with the premise that there's some difference between being rescued by a man or a woman if both are held to the same standard. Except that the guy is probably hotter, so there is that.

 

[JenT]

sure. unless it's that time of her cycle and she's feeling overemotional that day, something that DOES effect how we think and act

Men have a hormonal cycle that effects them similarly. It's called IMS. Not all men experience it, just as not all women experience PMS to the same degree. But it's a good thing to be aware of, so that men don't get put in unfair position.

Some women are stronger than some men. You're dealing with averages. There are not usually, for instance, different requirements for men and women firefighters. If you get a woman there saving you, in most areas she's had to meet the same requirements as a man who was there saving you. And I agree with you that the requirements should be the same, but I strongly disagree with the premise that there's some difference between being rescued by a man or a woman if both are held to the same standard. Except that the guy is probably hotter, so there is that.

well I don't care what anybody says, when I need rescuing I don't appreciate it when Rosie O'Donnel shows up, I don't care if she does have a mustache and looks like a man, she's NOT.

 

[JenT]

sure. unless it's that time of her cycle and she's feeling overemotional that day, something that DOES effect how we think and act

Men have a hormonal cycle that effects them similarly. It's called IMS. Not all men experience it, just as not all women experience PMS to the same degree. But it's a good thing to be aware of, so that men don't get put in unfair position.

Some women are stronger than some men. You're dealing with averages. There are not usually, for instance, different requirements for men and women firefighters. If you get a woman there saving you, in most areas she's had to meet the same requirements as a man who was there saving you. And I agree with you that the requirements should be the same, but I strongly disagree with the premise that there's some difference between being rescued by a man or a woman if both are held to the same standard. Except that the guy is probably hotter, so there is that.

I'm told by guys that have applied that in California it's different standards.

And that's just plain wrong.

We are not men. Apparently some of us need to have that explained to us. But I forgot, we're too busy learning about how to put condoms on cucumbers in public school instead of figuring out that we're different.

 

[JW Frogen]

well I don't care what anybody says, when I need rescuing I don't appreciate it when Rosie O'Donnel shows up, I don't care if she does have a mustache and looks like a man, she's NOT.

I never thought Rosie O’Donnell was a man, I thought she was a fat, pre-pubescent boy.

 

[Gudrid]

We are not men. Apparently some of us need to have that explained to us. But I forgot, we're too busy learning about how to put condoms on cucumbers in public school instead of figuring out that we're different.

I don't actually know any women who fit the stereotype you're presenting.

 

[JenT]

We are not men. Apparently some of us need to have that explained to us. But I forgot, we're too busy learning about how to put condoms on cucumbers in public school instead of figuring out that we're different.

I don't actually know any women who fit the stereotype you're presenting.

You are blessed Gudrid, you must live in the heartland

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

well I don't care what anybody says, when I need rescuing I don't appreciate it when Rosie O'Donnel shows up, I don't care if she does have a mustache and looks like a man, she's NOT.

I never thought Rosie O’Donnell was a man, I thought she was a fat, pre-pubescent boy.

Greasy come to mind?

 

[JW Frogen]

Greasy come to mind?

Rosie would make a good Fat Fonzerelli.

Un-Happy Days the Reunion.

The Fonz lets himself go after Pinki Tuscadero reveals she is really in love with Ralph Mouth.

 

[Gudrid]

We are not men. Apparently some of us need to have that explained to us. But I forgot, we're too busy learning about how to put condoms on cucumbers in public school instead of figuring out that we're different.

I don't actually know any women who fit the stereotype you're presenting.

You are blessed Gudrid, you must live in the heartland

Lol. Well, I do live in the heartland, but I grew up in Atlanta. I've known plenty of women (myself included) who are all about equality, but not in the sense of men and women being the same physically and such. Equality of opportunity and such. Do you actually know multiple people who attempt to state that men and women are physically equipped to do the same things? Cause honestly, the most rabid feminists I've known have never said that. It's just a bizarre thing for someone to think. I'm having a hard time imagining how or why someone would believe that.

 

[JenT]

I don't actually know any women who fit the stereotype you're presenting.

You are blessed Gudrid, you must live in the heartland

Lol. Well, I do live in the heartland, but I grew up in Atlanta. I've known plenty of women (myself included) who are all about equality, but not in the sense of men and women being the same physically and such. Equality of opportunity and such. Do you actually know multiple people who attempt to state that men and women are physically equipped to do the same things? Cause honestly, the most rabid feminists I've known have never said that. It's just a bizarre thing for someone to think. I'm having a hard time imagining how or why someone would believe that.

There are TONS of people who want to believe we're all the same save for a couple of parts. And it's so sad because the differences are what make it all work.

(she says sitting here while her husband is off on a two year drinking binge with his slut girlfriend)