KittenKoder
Senior Member
actually science has determined that life begins at conception.... but don't let the facts get in the way of convenience....
So, do you eat aborted fetus' of chickens?
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actually science has determined that life begins at conception.... but don't let the facts get in the way of convenience....
There are already hundreds of current cases so you will have to wait then, until I can filter through them to find the stats from the past. Yes, hundreds of pending executions that are being re-evaluated in Texas and many are being released because the newly discovered (at least that's what the Texans call it) DNA evidence is proving them to have been falsely accused. Many have been put on death row AFTER DNA evidence was proven to be almost perfect.
Fair enough. However, if I may make an observation.
The question before us is: does the state retain sufficient safeguards to make reasonably certain people wrongly convicted (as opposed to specifically innocent, very important distinction in US law) are NOT executed?
If the argument hinges on executions averted pending evidence/procedure reviewed, albeit lately, we need not fear the death penalty because the review of evidence/procedure is obviously in place and intact. It is a part of the due process required to deprive a person of life as well as liberty.
In matters of malfeasance against the unduly convicted we are contending with evidence/procedure manipulated in spite of the facts and, as with all crimes, the law can do precious little to prevent, only to punish. This is where a vigorous review process is in order but that returns us to my first point.
So what we have to know is how many unduly sentenced persons are actually executed. This is where your sources should focus.
Exit question: had these unfortunates NOT been on death row would their cases gain as much review. I doubt it would be of any value to be wrongly convicted and sentenced to life only to be left in legal limbo.
DNA evidence has proved that almost 60% of all executions prior to DNA evidence were wrongly convicted (of those they still have the evidence for) totaling over 300. Can't remember the specifics country wide but Texas has the highest rate. Of course if you really cared you'd google it yourself instead of trying to trick someone else into it. However, since you do not care about facts you will attempt to make them look wrong because your mind is incapable of change. I am not against the death penalty, but taking innocent lives in the persuit of justice is no different than murder.
meh
I didn't intend for you to repost answers already given. I was composing as you were posting.
*shrugs*
Maybe you should consider jury duty as a means of ensuring those who are not guilty are not convicted.
After all, it only takes 1 dissenting vote to, pardon the pun, hang an entire jury. To defend the innocent is noble. To abandon them over personal discomfort is unconscienable.
In the end the idea is to punish the guilty. Punishing the innocent magnifies the calamity inflicted on society as well as rewards the guilty and revictimizes the original victim. If you are even half as conscientious as you want to be you would be a better pick for both sides of the case than someone who was resentful of being in the jury box.
Provide a link. I have read on this before and there is NO confirmed case that ANYONE was innocent. Let me clarify, no evidence thyat any exected person was innocent, which is what YOU are claiming and in huge numbers.
If you believe that then you are living in a dream world.
While your stance is good as well, my problem is that my idea of guilt and innocence varies from most. I would find that all jaywalkers or morons who run red lights should be jailed for life, for example. I cannot stop the system completely, however it is not my duty to tell others hoe to believe (the moderate in me). Really there is too much conflict within my ideals to make such a position impossible. I believe in science, and if there is no science one way or the other then there is no way ANYONE should be put to trial.
In other words you have no proof, thanks though for playing.
Hmmm ... by ignoring all the links, the hundreds of others on google alone, you just show you see only your side as truth and that you are incapable of learning. So why should I waste my time on you, the links I posted show a LOT, though not all the statistics, they show most. When I did post them you still didn't have the brains (or balls if you will) to click on them, showing you do not care about truth but merely wish to attack someone who's opinion or knowledge opposes yours. It is you who are playing, and it's not a winnable game for you ... especially against me. *evil grin*
It's not the duty of a jurist to decide what the law should be but only if it was violated and (in some places) if finding in the affirmative to recommend sentence BASED ON THE LAW.
The place to have your thoughts registered on what laws should be and how their violations should be punished is when you vote for legislators.
It is easy enough to operate within the schema. It's a privilege many would fight to possess.
The death penalty exists only in third world nations and in the backward jesus freak states of the US..also third world.
It exists...not as a deterrent..and not in any way interested in executing the guilty..
It exists because jesus freak states are states of fear and hatred.
Jesus freaks love to see others suffer....whether they are guilty or not.
When religion dies..as it did in Europe many years ago... the death penalty will also die.
The Death penalty only exists in dictatorships and religiously extreme stone age nations such as the Middle east, the US and China.
The death penalty exists only in third world nations and in the backward jesus freak states of the US..also third world.
It exists...not as a deterrent..and not in any way interested in executing the guilty..
It exists because jesus freak states are states of fear and hatred.
Jesus freaks love to see others suffer....whether they are guilty or not.
When religion dies..as it did in Europe many years ago... the death penalty will also die.
The Death penalty only exists in dictatorships and religiously extreme stone age nations such as the Middle east, the US and China.
The death penalty exists only in third world nations and in the backward jesus freak states of the US..also third world.
It exists...not as a deterrent..and not in any way interested in executing the guilty..
It exists because jesus freak states are states of fear and hatred.
Jesus freaks love to see others suffer....whether they are guilty or not.
When religion dies..as it did in Europe many years ago... the death penalty will also die.
The Death penalty only exists in dictatorships and religiously extreme stone age nations such as the Middle east, the US and China.
Ohh Look the RETARD is in this thread now.