George Bush's Eve Of Destruction

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    Hi all,

    Hope this is the proper forum for it.

    George Bush's Eve Of Destruction

    This song combines Bush's post-9-11 Address to Congress with the old protest song. Recorded right before the invasion of Iraq, and remastered for its one-year anniversary. Hope it ends soon.

    Let me know what you think!
     
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    Welcome to the board, Emmanuel :)

    I believe those for and opposed to the war on terrorism hope that it ends as soon as humanly possible. Many will be at odds as to when that should be. Personally, I believe this war needs to continue until the world is safe once again and terrorism no longer affects policy and no longer instills fear throughout the world. I know, not an easy task, but it's a task that needs to be done. Appeasement is equivalent to a loss. Appeasement is exactly what the terrorists are looking for, and if they don't get their way they resort to violence.

    Speaking from a musical perspective, I enjoyed the mix. Always enjoyed that 'ol song. Just an Fyi to anyone else that wants to listen: Click on lo-fi or hi-fi to stream the audio. Clicking on mp3 will bring you to a registration page.
     
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    Anyone posting tunes with their first post DESERVES a [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks, Jim, Newguy!

    Jim - I believe that indeed, terrorism needs to be fought, but I'm inclined to pose questions about the way it's done. You say appeasement is what terrorists are looking for; I beg to differ. For the US to invade Iraq, and then to fall flat on its face, only to eventually be forced to leave the entire region - THAT is what they are looking for. They're halfway there now.
     
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    welcome to the board emmanuel
     
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    I would hardly say that the US has fallen on it's face. Saddam has been removed from power. His disgusting sons have been killed. Almost every other top official has been captured or killed. Hundreds upon hundreds of terrorists have been captured or killed. Hundreds of terrorist plots have been foiled due to the war on terrorism. The Iraqi people now have freedoms they haven't seen in 30 some odd years - or some that many never saw before the US removed Saddam. They have been given an opportunity to embrace freedom as citizens, not having it dictated to them by a madman.

    The US isn't being forced to leave anywhere. They had objectives in mind and are reaching those goals. That is to free the people from an oppressive dictator and to give them an opportunity to understand and capitalize upon democracy. The goal has never wavered and the US has not retreated in any way. To stop Saddam from using and/or acquiring WMD. Whether the smoking gun has been found or not doesn't really matter. Saddam's objectives were clear, and now he'll never have the opportunity to realize his sick dreams.

    The war on terrorism will be quite lengthy. The success thus far has been amazing, unless of course you concentrate on the negative and ignore the many positives.
     
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    Thanks DK, nice sig!

    Jim,
    I'm not saying the falling-on-the-face has already happened. What I'm trying to say, I suppose (though I hope I to be better at it when I convey it in music) is that Iraq never really had much to do with international terrorism, and that by Al Qaida's and the current American administration's design, it now does.
    I respect your opinion, and of course there is a lot of truth in what you say. I hope it all turns out the way you describe, but I fear that as long as mosques are bombes, more terrorists are created every day.
     
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    Iraq/Saddam did in fact support many international terrorist organizations. That alone wasn't the reason for the invasion though. There were many reasons that when lumped together created a recipe for disaster in Iraq. The US was able to put a nice dent into terrorist activities and remove an oppressive dictator all at once.

    Of course new terrorists will spring up - and they'll need to be put down as well. But the threat of other criminals taking over where the old left off isn't a good argument for ignoring terrorism. I think we all have fears with what the direction of terrorism but eliminating terrorism is the only way to remove that fear.

    BTW - the mosque that was bombed the other day was reported to be filled with insurgents using it as a shield to attack US military.
     
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    If you don't try to look at it from the other side, you'll never make a balanced judgement.

    So here, for your benefit, is the other side.

    Saddam Hussein's regime and Al Qaida were enemies. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, Osama offered Kuwait the aid of his Mujahedeen to fight against Iraq. Had Kuwait accepted this offer, our tale would have been drastically different.

    As we all know, The US helped out there instead - but they left troops behind in the Holy Land. Now, please take a moment to imagine Mujahedeen fighters camping around Hollywood... thank you. Due to this (and of course the ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict), fundamentalism grew more widespread, and soon the attacks against the Americans started. The troops had to go, was the message. They didn't.

    Al Qaida now is plotting to make the US 'a shadow of its former self'. They credit themselves for taking down the Soviet Union, and think they can take on another superpower. They've now taken over ten years to run efficiently. They hope to make Iraq for the US what Afghanistan was for the Soviets - a death trap.
    In their wake come hundreds of thousands of people who don't necessarily think their society needs to be overwhelmed by capitalism.

    Take away the reasons for the terrorism. Take away the misunderstandings. Take away the need to control the world. Then the world will take away the terrorists.

    Peace!
     
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    With all due respect, I have looked at it from the other side. I still come to the same conclusions - that the only way to remove terrorism is to remove the terrorists. Not to reason with them. Not to negotiate with them. Not to understand them. But to remove them.
     
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