Gentle reminder - Food for thought - Dear World

[Hollie]

This video may have already been posted. But it does point out the Palestinian Arab aggressions before these Arabs were known as Palestinians; and even more poignant, BEFORE there was the so called Jewish 'occupation':




The incitement of the Arabs against the Jews started WELL before and WAY before 1967, call me a liar and I will call you a fucking asshole!

Well aren't you just Mister Congeniality.

Just stuck in reality.

I just love the way he commits an ad hom before anyone has even posted. The ole 'pre-emptive strike' song and dance.

Poor neurotic slob.

Well you could also "buy" a star
There are now LOTS of companies that offer to give a star in the sky the name of your choosing – for a price, of course. Google “Name a star” or “star naming” and you’ll find that there are a gazillion of them online, and you can even buy “gift packs” from Argos, Boots and other shops. If you don’t know how they work, basically for your money you get to name the star, a certificate, a chart showing the location of your star and – well, that’s it basically. The impression they give, these companies, is that you then exclusively “own” the star, and that it will be known by that name forever.

This is, of course, not correct.

Why? Listen very carefully, I shall say zees only once.

If you “buy a star”, the only place, the only place the star will bear your chosen name is in that company’s register, or on its database. No astronomers will ever refer to it by that name. No astronomy magazine’s star charts will ever give it that name. No observatory anywhere in the world will ever recognise or use that name.

I should make it absolutely clear here that it’s not illegal, or a “con” in the legal sense of the word. The companies themselves actually admit that it’s not “official”. If you take a look at the FAQ on the website of one of the most popular star naming companies you’ll see they’re quite open about it: ( Buy & Name a Star As A Gift | International Star Registry ) But the general marketing of the product does give the impression that for your £15 or £20 or whatever you’re paying, you are naming a star in the sky and that star will bear that name for ever, and future generations will call it by that name, thus immortalising your son/daughter/dog/goldfish. That’s just not true.
Two things NOT to buy for Christmas...

But that don't make it your's

Back to non-Bullshit Reality...

The land was PURCHASED.
Get it?
Money changed hands.
Get it?
You must be anti-transaction.

I'm pretty sure purchased land accounted for just a single digit percentage of the land that later became modern Israel.

Not according to Monty, Fanger and the rest.
Actually, about half of it was to the Arabs attacking.

Then most of the other half must have been due to foreign Jews invading.

As late as 1943 Jews owned less than 5% of the land. No major purchase transactions took place.

Non-Jews 24,670,455 dunums Jews 1,514,247 dunums.

View attachment 54203

Instead of reading and swallowing Zionist propaganda, there are academic resources that will educate you, including Jewish institutions. The table above is available on line at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. It is on page 566 of the Survey of Palestine Vol. 2

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

Christianity was once the predominant religion in Egypt, until the muhammedan invasion.

The Copts want you Muhammedans to leave.

 

[fanger]

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

 

[Indeependent]

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

That's why they savaged people and not land.
How honorable.

 

[Hossfly]

This video may have already been posted. But it does point out the Palestinian Arab aggressions before these Arabs were known as Palestinians; and even more poignant, BEFORE there was the so called Jewish 'occupation':




The incitement of the Arabs against the Jews started WELL before and WAY before 1967, call me a liar and I will call you a fucking asshole!

Well aren't you just Mister Congeniality.

Just stuck in reality.

I just love the way he commits an ad hom before anyone has even posted. The ole 'pre-emptive strike' song and dance.

Poor neurotic slob.

Well you could also "buy" a star
There are now LOTS of companies that offer to give a star in the sky the name of your choosing – for a price, of course. Google “Name a star” or “star naming” and you’ll find that there are a gazillion of them online, and you can even buy “gift packs” from Argos, Boots and other shops. If you don’t know how they work, basically for your money you get to name the star, a certificate, a chart showing the location of your star and – well, that’s it basically. The impression they give, these companies, is that you then exclusively “own” the star, and that it will be known by that name forever.

This is, of course, not correct.

Why? Listen very carefully, I shall say zees only once.

If you “buy a star”, the only place, the only place the star will bear your chosen name is in that company’s register, or on its database. No astronomers will ever refer to it by that name. No astronomy magazine’s star charts will ever give it that name. No observatory anywhere in the world will ever recognise or use that name.

I should make it absolutely clear here that it’s not illegal, or a “con” in the legal sense of the word. The companies themselves actually admit that it’s not “official”. If you take a look at the FAQ on the website of one of the most popular star naming companies you’ll see they’re quite open about it: ( Buy & Name a Star As A Gift | International Star Registry ) But the general marketing of the product does give the impression that for your £15 or £20 or whatever you’re paying, you are naming a star in the sky and that star will bear that name for ever, and future generations will call it by that name, thus immortalising your son/daughter/dog/goldfish. That’s just not true.
Two things NOT to buy for Christmas...

But that don't make it your's

Back to non-Bullshit Reality...

The land was PURCHASED.
Get it?
Money changed hands.
Get it?
You must be anti-transaction.

I'm pretty sure purchased land accounted for just a single digit percentage of the land that later became modern Israel.

Not according to Monty, Fanger and the rest.
Actually, about half of it was to the Arabs attacking.

Then most of the other half must have been due to foreign Jews invading.

As late as 1943 Jews owned less than 5% of the land. No major purchase transactions took place.

Non-Jews 24,670,455 dunums Jews 1,514,247 dunums.

View attachment 54203

Instead of reading and swallowing Zionist propaganda, there are academic resources that will educate you, including Jewish institutions. The table above is available on line at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. It is on page 566 of the Survey of Palestine Vol. 2

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

Here's how the Jews came into possession of Israel. Enjoy.

 

[montelatici]

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

That's why they savaged people and not land.
How honorable.

So predictable. Those that support the Zionists also support the dispossession, ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Native Americans. You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, Indeependent, fanger, et al,

This is a confusion on a generational level. Those leaders trained/educated in the late 1800's, the post-WWI era, the post-WWII era, late 20th Century/21st Century --- ALL had learned different socially accepted morals, and concepts in justice and standards. Certainly, what was politically, morally, legally and ethically acceptable, changes with time. What may not be acceptable today, may very well have been acceptable when my father was born.

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

That's why they savaged people and not land.
How honorable.

So predictable. Those that support the Zionists also support the dispossession, ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Native Americans. You couldn't make this stuff up.

(COMMENT)

Ownership and Sovereignty are entirely two different concepts and are mutually exclusive. While it is very difficult for the Arab-Palestinian to distinguish between the two; it is not at all a problem for the Native Americans to make that distinction.

Zionism and the integration of the Native American culture have very little to do with each other. While they may have had a few outcome similarities, the fundamental questions behind each of the two questions were radically different.

Most of the people that are in favor of protecting and preserving the natural heritage of the various native American cultures, would clearly understand the pro-Zionist movements of the post-WWI era which shaped the political landscape to protect and preserve the Jewish Culture. The bedrock and fundamental principles between the two movements are not at all that different. Today, very few people would openly promote the dispossession of property and territory, ethnic cleansing of specific culture and genocide over certain racial groups. These are simply not accepted politically, socially or diplomatically. Yet in December 1890, elements of the 7th Calvary surrounded and killed approximately 350 men, women, and children of the Lakota Tribe. A total of 18 Medals of Honor were awarded for conspicuous gallantry. Today, that very same action would have been labeled a War Crime. In the 19th Century, more than a dozen Indian Campaigns and Wars were fought. And that is because the moral values of the time were different then --- as opposed to today.

Similarly, the history of the many anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic events - deeply influenced the early 20th Century leadership and lead them to make some of the landmark decisions pertain to the establishment of the Jewish National Home and ultimately the recommendation for a Jewish State. Yes, some of the legal questions and moral judgements implemented nearly a century ago might have been done differently today. BUT, the values at the time of Wounded Knee [roughly the same time as the publication of Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) was written by a secular Jew --- on no particular religious or spiritual basis] were completely different from the late 1970's when the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) both passed into law. Remembering that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) 1948 never actually pasted into law. (For the UNHRC to give the UDHR some credibility, the three principle documents are tied together and form the collective called The International Bill of Human Rights.)

Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) will argue for days on end that the HoAP has been given some special privilege to violate Customary IHL. That none of the law applies to them. This is a type of moral value and legal judgement that we see in the late 19th Century; but, not an enlightened view.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

This video may have already been posted. But it does point out the Palestinian Arab aggressions before these Arabs were known as Palestinians; and even more poignant, BEFORE there was the so called Jewish 'occupation':




The incitement of the Arabs against the Jews started WELL before and WAY before 1967, call me a liar and I will call you a fucking asshole!

Can I call you an idiot instead? Pro-Israel is one thing, but please, promoting propaganda video by organisations like the JDL, The Kahane Movement/Kach, designated as terrorist organisations by your own government and Israel, defeats your entire argument. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Phoenall]

This video may have already been posted. But it does point out the Palestinian Arab aggressions before these Arabs were known as Palestinians; and even more poignant, BEFORE there was the so called Jewish 'occupation':




The incitement of the Arabs against the Jews started WELL before and WAY before 1967, call me a liar and I will call you a fucking asshole!

Well aren't you just Mister Congeniality.

Just stuck in reality.

I just love the way he commits an ad hom before anyone has even posted. The ole 'pre-emptive strike' song and dance.

Poor neurotic slob.

Well you could also "buy" a star
There are now LOTS of companies that offer to give a star in the sky the name of your choosing – for a price, of course. Google “Name a star” or “star naming” and you’ll find that there are a gazillion of them online, and you can even buy “gift packs” from Argos, Boots and other shops. If you don’t know how they work, basically for your money you get to name the star, a certificate, a chart showing the location of your star and – well, that’s it basically. The impression they give, these companies, is that you then exclusively “own” the star, and that it will be known by that name forever.

This is, of course, not correct.

Why? Listen very carefully, I shall say zees only once.

If you “buy a star”, the only place, the only place the star will bear your chosen name is in that company’s register, or on its database. No astronomers will ever refer to it by that name. No astronomy magazine’s star charts will ever give it that name. No observatory anywhere in the world will ever recognise or use that name.

I should make it absolutely clear here that it’s not illegal, or a “con” in the legal sense of the word. The companies themselves actually admit that it’s not “official”. If you take a look at the FAQ on the website of one of the most popular star naming companies you’ll see they’re quite open about it: ( Buy & Name a Star As A Gift | International Star Registry ) But the general marketing of the product does give the impression that for your £15 or £20 or whatever you’re paying, you are naming a star in the sky and that star will bear that name for ever, and future generations will call it by that name, thus immortalising your son/daughter/dog/goldfish. That’s just not true.
Two things NOT to buy for Christmas...

But that don't make it your's

Back to non-Bullshit Reality...

The land was PURCHASED.
Get it?
Money changed hands.
Get it?
You must be anti-transaction.

I'm pretty sure purchased land accounted for just a single digit percentage of the land that later became modern Israel.

Not according to Monty, Fanger and the rest.
Actually, about half of it was to the Arabs attacking.

Then most of the other half must have been due to foreign Jews invading.

As late as 1943 Jews owned less than 5% of the land. No major purchase transactions took place.

Non-Jews 24,670,455 dunums Jews 1,514,247 dunums.

View attachment 54203

Instead of reading and swallowing Zionist propaganda, there are academic resources that will educate you, including Jewish institutions. The table above is available on line at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. It is on page 566 of the Survey of Palestine Vol. 2

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

Which means absolutely nothing as the International law of 1923 stated that once the people had declared independence then the land became theirs, all the land set out in that same International law,

 

[Phoenall]

Back to non-Bullshit Reality...

The land was PURCHASED.
Get it?
Money changed hands.
Get it?
You must be anti-transaction.

I'm pretty sure purchased land accounted for just a single digit percentage of the land that later became modern Israel.

Not according to Monty, Fanger and the rest.
Actually, about half of it was to the Arabs attacking.

Then most of the other half must have been due to foreign Jews invading.

What invasion was that, who was the commanding officer of the invasion force ?

The "invasion" was the declaration that a pseudo-theocracy would be established by people in land that did not belong to them. Even worse, in a land that's been at the core of religious insanity for thousands of years.

Which I wouldn't care about, except that it has spread religious insanity all over the planet, and half the people in my country want to keep pouring gasoline on the flames.

What invasion was that then as the last invasion I see reported by historians was the arab muslim one

 

[Phoenall]

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

They claimed to be the custodians of the land for future generations, so where easily fooled into selling the land to the invaders. The same invaders that today want the Jews to be evicted from their NATIONal home and made stateless

 

[Phoenall]

American indians never claimed ownership of the land as they saw it impossible for a man to claim ownership of something that would outlive him

That's why they savaged people and not land.
How honorable.

So predictable. Those that support the Zionists also support the dispossession, ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Native Americans. You couldn't make this stuff up.

So when will you be giving back the land you have stolen then, or is that a different matter ?