Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach ...

[montelatici]

Finally, an administration speaks the truth, even though they left the door open for a subsequent administration taking up the cause. I left out the last words of the headline to give the thread header some pizzaz.

In fact, there is no longer any chance of a two-state solution with the Palestinians joining the Israelis in rejecting the notion. The most probable outcome is Israeli annexation and settlement building, a Jewish ruling minority for a decade or so and an eventual establishment of non-Jewish majority rule after a period of Apartheid and violence, similar to what happened in South Africa.

"Rob Malley, the National Security Council’s senior director for the Middle East, said that for the first time in two decades, an American administration “faces the reality” that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “is not in the cards......."

Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach on his watch

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Perhaps had he not alienated everyone in the region from the first month ...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Perhaps had he not alienated everyone in the region from the first month ...

Yeah, cuz we all know that the Middle East has never had any unrest, poverty until President Obama was elected.































(You RWNJ traitors are absolutely brain dead.)

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

(You RWNJ traitors are absolutely brain dead.)

Traitors to what? Be specific.

 

[Roudy]

Translation: Hussein Obama is upset that he couldn't topple or undermine the Jewish state and replace it with yet another shithole Islamist regime or caliphate.

 

[montelatici]

Translation: Hussein Obama is upset that he couldn't topple or undermine the Jewish state and replace it with yet another shithole Islamist regime or caliphate.

Israel is undermining itself. Obama has nothing to do with it. Caliphate and Rabbinate both shitholes.

 

[Roudy]

There is no such thing as rabbinate, jerkoff.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, Coyote, et al,

The White House, the State Department, and the National Security Advisor have consistently failed in their approach to the Middle East problem (Arab-Israeli Conflict) for more than four decades.

Q: Why would anyone put any faith in what they have to say now?

In the17th Century, the German Philosopher Gottfried Leibniz postulated that (paraphrased): Nothing takes place without a sufficient cause. This has come to be known as the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR).

Finally, an administration speaks the truth, even though they left the door open for a subsequent administration taking up the cause. I left out the last words of the headline to give the thread header some pizzaz.

In fact, there is no longer any chance of a two-state solution with the Palestinians joining the Israelis in rejecting the notion. The most probable outcome is Israeli annexation and settlement building, a Jewish ruling minority for a decade or so and an eventual establishment of non-Jewish majority rule after a period of Apartheid and violence, similar to what happened in South Africa.

"Rob Malley, the National Security Council’s senior director for the Middle East, said that for the first time in two decades, an American administration “faces the reality” that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “is not in the cards......."

Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach on his watch

(COMMENT)

Remember who you are dealing with: Dr Rob Malley, an attorney (Harvard Law), Rhodes Scholar, and now senior on the Middle East desk of the National Security Council. His Mother was an American who held a position at the UN with the Algerian National Liberation Front (FNL). The father was Jewish - Egyptian-born journalist in the Region. The family was openly anti-Israeli and considered Yassar Arafat a close family friend. Many knowledgeable people think of Dr Malley as an expert on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; an author of several must read articles on the subject.

Robert Malley | The New York Review of Books
www.nybooks.com/contributors/robert-malley/

Robert Malley is Middle East and North Africa Program Director at the International Crisis Group. He is writing here in his personal capacity. (November 2012).

Robert Malley (Author of The Call From Algeria)
www.goodreads.com/author/show/936750.Robert_Malley

Robert Malley is the author of The Call From Algeria (4.00 avg rating, 7 ratings, 0 reviews, published 1996) and The Call from Algeria (0.0 avg rating, 0...

How Not to Make Peace in the Middle East by Robert Malley and ...
www.nybooks.com/.../how-not-to-make-peace-in-the-middle-east/


Jan 15, 2009 ... Yet none of the authors was a passive spectator during their terms in .... At far left is Robert Malley, the coauthor of this review; at far right is ...

The Road from Mecca by Robert Malley and Hussein Agha | The ...
www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2007/.../the-road-from-mecca/


May 10, 2007 ... The hitch is that neither Israel nor the US has embraced the Arab Initiative in quite the way its authors intended. Five years after the proposal ...
- See more at: Biography of Author Robert Malley: Booking Appearances, Speaking
​

What is important is that Dr Malley has been in the national security and political system for several decades. He was part of the Camp David set-up in which Present Clinton failed to achieve an effort to end the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (15 years ago). What is wrong here is that the American Foreign Policy decision making model has not progressed and evolved since the mid-1990's. Another "Quill and Dagger" Alumni (Cornell) with former Deputy SECDEF Paul Wolfowitz (a dominant force with President Bush's FAILED Iraq policy) and Stephen Hadley (Yale Law), who served as Deputy National Security Advisor and a member of the White House Iraq Group.

The point here is that these personalities, to which Dr Malley was associated with, had not been able to adjust and established a successful US Foreign Policy in over a quarter of a century; bogged-down in post WWII and Vietnam War decision making models.

NOW, relative to Dr Malley and the comment that the "American administration faces the reality” for the first time in two decades --- versus --- my "quarter century" estimate are pretty close. What Dr Malley doesn't say is that he was part and parcel in the mix that "faced something other than reality." What Dr Malley doesn't say is that relative to the reasons that need addressed in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, there is a solution. Dr Malley (forceful, passionately, and intensely anti-Israeli) may not know (or even want to others to believe) that there is an understanding to the true explanation. We may not know what it is, but the PSR tells us that, stripping away all the political and emotional baggage; the solution will present itself. Dr Malley's is simply predisposed to oppose any solution that does not favor the Palestinians.

I would not make too much of this article: "President Obama has concluded that a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians is beyond reach during his presidency." Just because it is beyond the current National Security Advisory Team (the reality) does not mean it has no solution. Again, this is one of those fallacious "appeals to ignorance." Just because I cannot explain what interferometer is and how to effectively use it (with the answer beyond me), does not mean that there is no solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

After the mess that this administration has created in the Middle East, does any American want Obama and his clowns in charge of any more peace negotiations?

 

[rdean]

Perhaps had he not alienated everyone in the region from the first month ...

You mean Bush invaded Iraq in Obama's first month as president?

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, Coyote, et al,

The White House, the State Department, and the National Security Advisor have consistently failed in their approach to the Middle East problem (Arab-Israeli Conflict) for more than four decades.

Q: Why would anyone put any faith in what they have to say now?

In the17th Century, the German Philosopher Gottfried Leibniz postulated that (paraphrased): Nothing takes place without a sufficient cause. This has come to be known as the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR).

Finally, an administration speaks the truth, even though they left the door open for a subsequent administration taking up the cause. I left out the last words of the headline to give the thread header some pizzaz.

In fact, there is no longer any chance of a two-state solution with the Palestinians joining the Israelis in rejecting the notion. The most probable outcome is Israeli annexation and settlement building, a Jewish ruling minority for a decade or so and an eventual establishment of non-Jewish majority rule after a period of Apartheid and violence, similar to what happened in South Africa.

"Rob Malley, the National Security Council’s senior director for the Middle East, said that for the first time in two decades, an American administration “faces the reality” that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “is not in the cards......."

Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach on his watch

(COMMENT)

Remember who you are dealing with: Dr Rob Malley, an attorney (Harvard Law), Rhodes Scholar, and now senior on the Middle East desk of the National Security Council. His Mother was an American who held a position at the UN with the Algerian National Liberation Front (FNL). The father was Jewish - Egyptian-born journalist in the Region. The family was openly anti-Israeli and considered Yassar Arafat a close family friend. Many knowledgeable people think of Dr Malley as an expert on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; an author of several must read articles on the subject.

Robert Malley | The New York Review of Books
www.nybooks.com/contributors/robert-malley/

Robert Malley is Middle East and North Africa Program Director at the International Crisis Group. He is writing here in his personal capacity. (November 2012).

Robert Malley (Author of The Call From Algeria)
www.goodreads.com/author/show/936750.Robert_Malley

Robert Malley is the author of The Call From Algeria (4.00 avg rating, 7 ratings, 0 reviews, published 1996) and The Call from Algeria (0.0 avg rating, 0...

How Not to Make Peace in the Middle East by Robert Malley and ...
www.nybooks.com/.../how-not-to-make-peace-in-the-middle-east/


Jan 15, 2009 ... Yet none of the authors was a passive spectator during their terms in .... At far left is Robert Malley, the coauthor of this review; at far right is ...

The Road from Mecca by Robert Malley and Hussein Agha | The ...
www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2007/.../the-road-from-mecca/


May 10, 2007 ... The hitch is that neither Israel nor the US has embraced the Arab Initiative in quite the way its authors intended. Five years after the proposal ...
- See more at: Biography of Author Robert Malley: Booking Appearances, Speaking
​

What is important is that Dr Malley has been in the national security and political system for several decades. He was part of the Camp David set-up in which Present Clinton failed to achieve an effort to end the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (15 years ago). What is wrong here is that the American Foreign Policy decision making model has not progressed and evolved since the mid-1990's. Another "Quill and Dagger" Alumni (Cornell) with former Deputy SECDEF Paul Wolfowitz (a dominant force with President Bush's FAILED Iraq policy) and Stephen Hadley (Yale Law), who served as Deputy National Security Advisor and a member of the White House Iraq Group.

The point here is that these personalities, to which Dr Malley was associated with, had not been able to adjust and established a successful US Foreign Policy in over a quarter of a century; bogged-down in post WWII and Vietnam War decision making models.

NOW, relative to Dr Malley and the comment that the "American administration faces the reality” for the first time in two decades --- versus --- my "quarter century" estimate are pretty close. What Dr Malley doesn't say is that he was part and parcel in the mix that "faced something other than reality." What Dr Malley doesn't say is that relative to the reasons that need addressed in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, there is a solution. Dr Malley (forceful, passionately, and intensely anti-Israeli) may not know (or even want to others to believe) that there is an understanding to the true explanation. We may not know what it is, but the PSR tells us that, stripping away all the political and emotional baggage; the solution will present itself. Dr Malley's is simply predisposed to oppose any solution that does not favor the Palestinians.

I would not make too much of this article: "President Obama has concluded that a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians is beyond reach during his presidency." Just because it is beyond the current National Security Advisory Team (the reality) does not mean it has no solution. Again, this is one of those fallacious "appeals to ignorance." Just because I cannot explain what interferometer is and how to effectively use it (with the answer beyond me), does not mean that there is no solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no solution that is acceptable to the Jews in Israel that will allow a non-Jewish ruled sovereign state to exist in Palestine. That means there is no two state solution.

Eventually, Israeli Jews will be unable to rule and maintain control over a growing majority of non-Jews and a South Africa type resolution to the problem might be possible. But, the Rhodesia, Algeria type scenarios are also possible.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I heard Syria needs people...ship em there

 

[montelatici]

I heard Syria needs people...ship em there

I think the Jews would prefer to return where they came from, Europe.

 

[fanger]

I Would Like to See Gaza Drown in the Sea': Remembering the True Yitzhak Rabin, 20 Years After His Assassination
At an election debate in 1988, Israeli statesman Yitzkak Rabin touted his achievements as the Defense Minister who enacted the “broken bones” policy to suppress the first Palestinian Intifada.

“They also know: 260 Palestinians were killed in the last two months!” he proclaimed to boisterous applause from his audience. “7,000 were wounded!” Rabin bragged. “18,000 were arrested!”

He continued boastfully, “5,600 are currently in prison. Are these trivial numbers? Are these trivial numbers?”

This week marks the 20th anniversary of Rabin’s assassination by a right-wing fanatic seeking to scuttle Israeli negotiations with the Palestinians. The past days have been occasion for wistful remembrances of the martyred former Prime Minister by Bill Clinton and a who’s who of the obsolete Israeli “peace camp” that fought for a two state solution.

With his attempts to forge the U.S.-brokered Oslo Accords, Rabin became an icon of liberal Zionism. For the Palestinians, however, he was anything but a man of peace. And, in fact, he never supported an honest two-state solution.

During his campaign in 1992, Rabin warned that a Palestinian state could only be established on the ruins of Israel. Indeed, Rabin was opposed to the creation of a viable Palestinian state, favoring instead a form of limited autonomy in Bantustan-style population centers overseen by dictatorial security forces that coordinated repression with the Israeli army.

'I Would Like to See Gaza Drown in the Sea': Remembering the True Yitzhak Rabin, 20 Years After His Assassination

 

[Manonthestreet]

I heard Syria needs people...ship em there

I think the Jews would prefer to return where they came from, Europe.

Obviously not......pallies should jihad so we can get this over with......has been another western artificial construct which is why it didn't work

 

[docmauser1]

There is no solution that is acceptable to the Jews in Israel that will allow a non-Jewish ruled sovereign state to exist in Palestine. That means there is no two state solution.

Of course! Running a state isn't fun, but dreams of killing jews and plundering of their property, sure, is!

Eventually, Israeli Jews will be unable to rule and maintain control over a growing majority of non-Jews and a South Africa type resolution to the problem might be possible. But, the Rhodesia, Algeria type scenarios are also possible.

Whatever involves killing jews and plundering of the jewish property is acceptable to palistanians, of course.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The West needs to stop interfering in the Middle East and let them resolve their own issues amongst themselves. What ever will be over there, will be.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Perhaps had he not alienated everyone in the region from the first month ...

The people in the Middle East have been warring with each other since the dawn of time.

 

[docmauser1]

The West needs to stop interfering in the Middle East and let them resolve their own issues amongst themselves. What ever will be over there, will be.

Very much sane thinking, while europe is developing warm feelings toward mideast-looking folks, of course.

 

[montelatici]

There is no solution that is acceptable to the Jews in Israel that will allow a non-Jewish ruled sovereign state to exist in Palestine. That means there is no two state solution.

Of course! Running a state isn't fun, but dreams of killing jews and plundering of their property, sure, is!

Eventually, Israeli Jews will be unable to rule and maintain control over a growing majority of non-Jews and a South Africa type resolution to the problem might be possible. But, the Rhodesia, Algeria type scenarios are also possible.

Whatever involves killing jews and plundering of the jewish property is acceptable to palistanians, of course.

Why single out the Australians from Palistan? Or is it all those from New South Wales?