Geneva Conventions and War Crimes Court...

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    Hello everyone :D

    Im all confused lately about the current admin and why i should vote for them or not.

    The war is great and all, bringing democracy to other countrys, through force, rooting out terror by taking war TO the terrorists instead of them invading our country. Hopefully not MAKING too many terrorists in the process.

    But recently with all the torture we are doing in iraq and abroad that as far as we know is perpetrated by a few disloyal soldiers. Im not saying that there is proof of torture in our other prisons in cuba, but there seems to be a style to what we are doing that is unfamiliar to ME at least...'hooded', 'jumpsuit', and 'chained' detainees in crouching positions...seems like a trend or code.

    So I looked into this subject more, and found that the Bush administraion 'unsigned' the USA from the international war crimes court! AND says that the geneva conventions don't apply in cuba detention camps(legal battle pending).


    Why would the administration do this? Did they plan on commiting acts torture? We all know torture DOES NOT WORK, simply because the perp will say ANYTHING to get out of torture. AND torture is a form of terrorism by definition. certainly they would know this.

    So, the admin says it does not like torture, and they frown upon it. Why allow it by dropping from these institutions? Is there any valid reason for doing so?

    Nobody say we have the right to or its fun, please. We entered them because we wanted OUR OWN soldiers to be respected if an enemy captures them, its creating progress through example, much like we have with democracy, creating hundreds of democracys without using force.
     
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    No, I don't think they would abide by the conventions, certainly not the terrorists. But that does not matter, we don't need to be stooping to their level. I do disagree with you about them being civilized. They have long history of being invaded by crusaders, and they have successfully defended themselves for many ages...I believe the sunis are actually the oldest recorded civilization in human history.

    Jesus said - "Whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me." Correct?
    If the Bush administration IS treating these people as sub-humans. Whats stopping them from treating certain american minoritys as such? Groups that would be considered, uncivilized, lower class, disloyal, treasonous, undesirable.
     
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    I would have thought that his avatar spoke for itself. :rolleyes:

    A clever troll trying to act moderate but bringing up dumb questions.
     
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    Don't be a pussy Xenimus, just say what ya feel.
    I think you know how you're voting, don't play dumb and beat around the Bush, Evil is on to you.:p:
     
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    Ahhh, ya found me out Sir Evil! :p: Thought this place was out of business, guess it was only downtime. You're right, should keep it cool when I get insulted this time. *Looks around* glad to see pro-bushites can still call conservatives/liberals/anti-bush anything they want. ;)

    Seriously guys, my question is legitimate, why is it dumb, was there a reason we arent following rules?

    Oh, and I can vote for Bush if I please, hes not that bad, its his policys that are troubling. Sometimes I actually feel like some old values, like feudalism.
     
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    How about this-----NO ONE ELSE PLAYS BY THE RULES. If we agree to, then they will feel fully within thier rights to prosecute us. Wanna go to court in--lets say--Iran?
     
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    You poor soul, now you've drug ME into it.

    Jesus was speaking of CHILDREN.

    Since when is Bush GOD?

    Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do.

    America CANNOT be and IS NOT legally bound to any other treaty or authority outside of the US.

    Therefore, THAT is the reason.
     
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    Gilloduck, Newguy, Glad to see you are in the party of integrity, and moral clarity!!! :laugh:

    What are you saying? Under Bush regime we are gods will? cannot be wrong? huh

    I cant wait till you guys get tortured by some arabs! Maybe if their brothers were treated well, they may give you a bit of slack. Remember, draft age is 18-35 and includes women!






    In all seriousness, why did they drop out? can we do anything we want now? Should we kill the prisoners by the thousands like Michael "savage" Wiener suggests?
     
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    What party do you think I am "in"?

    Why are you dumb enough to jump to that conclusion?


    Nice. You assume a lot, don't you?

    The Constitution does not allow any superior authority of any nation. We are only surpassed in authority by God Himself.

    I can't wait until you say something smarter than my 3 year old.

    Do you have a point?


    I answered your question already.

    It must not have been what you wanted to hear.
     
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    Sir Evil

    Want to make it clear that I did not say I wanted anyone to be harmed in anyway. I said that because, after their replys I realized they probly won't understand the subject until they are victims of the situation. Nothing more, I'm not a troll don't treat me like one. please. thankyou.

    Newguy, you say god is our authority? your god? I dont think so. Who do you think you are? I dont remember anyone proclaiming we can do ANYTHING we want. Are you claiming this is a Christian nation? I see.

    The reason I think you are in a certain party is because, usually its the party that gets mixed up with religion.

    The REASON religion should be kept separate from goverment is so goverment will stay out of religion and ofcourse religion will stay out of government. Protecting it. It works both ways you see.
     

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