General Westmoreland

[GLASNOST]

An embedded government shill ...... without as much as a doubt.

 

[Sunni Man]

An embedded government shill ...... without as much as a doubt.

Your disrespect towards another Vietnam vet is reprehensible.

His opinion is every bit as valid as your's or mine.

As far as I know, no one has appointed you the official historian of the Vietnam war. ....

 

[Picaro]

After the French left, the Vietnamese were offered free elections after two years to unify the country. Once it became clear that Ho Chi Minh would easily win, the US refused to allow the elections

Why should we have 'allowed' them? They wouldn't have been 'free elections', the Commies had their guns and foreign support.

What an idiotic response. Tell me, have you never read even a condensed post-WW II history of Vietnam?

lol says a sicko commie Red POS.

 

[Picaro]

France created the whole mess through their colonialism

I think that we can forgive France for colonising Indochina because that was the thing to do "way back when" and every nation with the inclination & the possibility did it either in Asia or the Middle East or Africa or the Americas or even Australia. What we cannot forgive France for is that they FIRST prioritized the Catholic, Vietnamese "converts" against the Buddhists, and SECOND they were not sympathetic to the Vietnamese who sought freedom from France in THE VERY SAME WAY that France fought for their own freedom from the Nazi occupation in Europe and from the Japanese occupation of French-held Indochina.

The US got involved to prop up a corrupt and inept S Vietnamese government

Not that there ever was a "S. Vietnamese government" to begin with. But that is another point to discuss.

Japan took over Vietnam in WWII and drove the French out who were being occupied by the Nazis
Happy to be rid of the French, the Vietnamese found that Japan brought its own oppression.
Vietnamese rebels fought against Japan and expected they would have their own country after Japan was defeated
They appealed to the US to intercede on the side of freedom. Instead we backed France regaining colonial control

In other words, the commies like Ho were the only ones receiving outside aid, and weapons, so we had to fall back on our other allies to stabilize the country before it fell to communist vermin. So yes, we did intercede on the right side. Thanks for the short answer, if not the ridiculous spin. We had Treaty obligations to fulfill, something you lefties always hate to acknowledge and think we should just break on any old fashionable whim you Burb Brats have at the moment.

 

[Picaro]

Westmorland was just a figurehead. The CIA clerks and analysts were playing soldier and running the Vietnam war. LBJ set the rules so that we could win every battle and still lose the freaking war and he bailed out just when we needed leadership. True to form the media that never saw a democrat they didn't like blamed the generals.

You may have a point about Westmoreland but the same can be said about LBJ who I think you over-rate enormously. The biggest difference between the two (in my very humble and unqualified opinion) is that Johnson was handsomely paid on a commission (piece-work) for the treachery he committed in Vietnam while Westmoreland was on the Army time-clock.

lol and some tard in another thread thinks calling these morons morons is a bad thing.

 

[Picaro]

... The Vietnamese kicked out the French and was gearing up for Democratic Elections but the US prevented the elections and started a war instead. It is no more complicated than that. .....

Rubbish. You ideological clown acts are dumber than rocks. Teh FRench asked for U.S. intervention early on, and Ike refused. As for your stupid attempt at claiming 'free elections', that's a load of rubbish as well; commies don't participate in 'free elections', and they certainly didn't anywhere in the world. Give up the vodka and reading all those old issues of Pravda you're using for toilet paper; your frontal lobes are numb.

Your total knowledge-capacity on matters of politics (any principles at all) resembles a cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke on a four-stroke combustible engine.

Yes, I agree you're just a loser with only old Pravda nonsense for an 'argument', and can't sell it to anybody who isn't a stooge of some sort or other.

 

[GLASNOST]

An embedded government shill ...... without as much as a doubt.

Your disrespect towards another Vietnam vet is reprehensible.

His opinion is every bit as valid as your's or mine.

As far as I know, no one has appointed you the official historian of the Vietnam war. ....

The memo "from the top" gets to your office last. You'll be getting it before the end of the week. Then you'll know.

 

[GLASNOST]

lol says a sicko commie Red POS.

Your disrespect towards a Vietnam vet is reprehensible.

 

[Lysistrata]

This thread just brings up bad memories. He is one of the people who screwed up my brother's life. Years later, I had to have coffee with this fool when he approached me during a break at a symposium I had to attend as part of my job. I schmoozed, even though I wanted to split his head wide open with an ax. His actions affected the lives of millions of people. He wanted to sacrifice my brother and he got one of my brother's friends. Westie liked dead Americans.

 

[GLASNOST]

This thread just brings up bad memories. He is one of the people who screwed up my brother's life. Years later, I had to have coffee with this fool when he approached me during a break at a symposium I had to attend as part of my job. I schmoozed, even though I wanted to split his head wide open with an ax. His actions affected the lives of millions of people. He wanted to sacrifice my brother and he got one of my brother's friends. Westie liked dead Americans.

I am also a Vietnam War Vet and my life got screwed up too. All of our lives got screwed up. It took me several years before I stopped having scary nightmares about Vietnam, then I started having dreams about it that weren't so scary., Eventually, I stopped thinking about it completely. Anyway, I don't blame Westermorland personally. He was trained to do that, that's what he was paid to do, and that became his life. The people I blame are politicians and people like Bob Hope and John Wayne (who never saw the pointed end of a real gun) who complained about our morale. I would have liked to punch them unconscious and kicked them in the balls. May they - and those with the same celebrity status who made 'gung ho' comments - all rot in hell till the end of time.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

After reading this thread, I'd say so.

While it was before my time (just), glasnost looks like a commie faggot from here.

 

[Mindful]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

After reading this thread, I'd say so.

While it was before my time (just), glasnost looks like a commie faggot from here.

Watching PBS Vietnam sparked my interest.

I've been told Ken Burns is a lefty something or other.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

After reading this thread, I'd say so.

While it was before my time (just), glasnost looks like a commie faggot from here.

Watching PBS Vietnam sparked my interest.

I've been told Ken Burns is a lefty something or other.

PBS is largely funded by leftists/globalists.

Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc..
All the names the Polack failed to mention in his "Who are the globalists?" thread.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

An embedded government shill ...... without as much as a doubt.

Your disrespect towards another Vietnam vet is reprehensible.

His opinion is every bit as valid as your's or mine.

As far as I know, no one has appointed you the official historian of the Vietnam war. ....

I will never make the claim to be a Vietnam Veteran. But I spent a lot of time in SEA, around it and over it. Here is my take.

One person stated that it depended on the time period you were there to your views. I'll go one step further and say, it's going to even differ from individual to individual during the same time frames. It's also going to differ on the locations. The Mud Dog Soldier will have a completely different view than, say, the Saigon Office Worker or MP. But the MP up around the DMZ will have a completely different point of view. Then there is that Marine that sat on a piece of mud just below the DMZ in a detachment of about 200 troops knowing full well that he was always due for an overrun at any moonless night. Tet was the only time that all of these people got to see it in it's ugliest view. During Tet, those weren't battle hardened troops fighting the VC in many areas. Those were clerks, mechanics, technicians, cooks that were pressed into service and handed a gun. The Officers were the battle hardened and made it work. TET should have worked for the VC and the North. But Americans are a strange lot and can fight no matter what job you hold. And it failed for them not just because of the 11Bs, but because of all the other Guys that only held a Rifle in Basic Training.

I got there after Tet, in 1969. Not in Vietnam but somewhere to the west of it. Obviously, we had a completely different take on things. We weren't being shot at all the time. We trained others that got shot at all the time and shot back. Nothing heroic here. We saw only our small part of things and were true believers, for the most part. Oh we had those few that weren't but it didn't matter. You did your jobs. At the end of the day, it was okay to tell the others that you disagreed. Just do it with a beer in your hands.

I did help with a bugout of a Marine Detachment once just south of the DMZ. We dropped in, loaded up with people and got the hell out of there. During that short time, I saw a completely different world than I could ever imagine.

The point here is, some were real believers and others were not but everyone did their jobs. Doing your job kept you and your buddies alive and got you one day closer to that freedom bird.

 

[GLASNOST]

...... While it was before my time (just), glasnost looks like a commie faggot from here.

So, what you are saying is that anyone who is honest and speaks the truth (or at least what he/she believes to be the truth) cannot be a Capitalist or a Socialist. ..... and can't possibly be heterosexual? What a strange conviction. Or is it that anyone who dislikes John Wayne must be a communist and a homosexual? Now that would be really odd! have you never seen John Wayne walk? If that's not a homo-shuffle then I don't know what is. He and J. Edgar Hoover were "tight" buddies. And just as a footnote: Homosexuality was punishable by imprisonment and sometimes death in the Soviet Union so how you connect faggots and Commies is a mystery.

 

[GLASNOST]

I will never make the claim to be a Vietnam Veteran. But I spent a lot of time in SEA, around it and over it. Here is my take.

One person stated that it depended on the time period you were there to your views. I'll go one step further and say, it's going to even differ from individual to individual during the same time frames. It's also going to differ on the locations. The Mud Dog Soldier will have a completely different view than, say, the Saigon Office Worker or MP. But the MP up around the DMZ will have a completely different point of view. Then there is that Marine that sat on a piece of mud just below the DMZ in a detachment of about 200 troops knowing full well that he was always due for an overrun at any moonless night. Tet was the only time that all of these people got to see it in it's ugliest view. During Tet, those weren't battle hardened troops fighting the VC in many areas. Those were clerks, mechanics, technicians, cooks that were pressed into service and handed a gun. The Officers were the battle hardened and made it work. TET should have worked for the VC and the North. But Americans are a strange lot and can fight no matter what job you hold. And it failed for them not just because of the 11Bs, but because of all the other Guys that only held a Rifle in Basic Training.

I got there after Tet, in 1969. Not in Vietnam but somewhere to the west of it. Obviously, we had a completely different take on things. We weren't being shot at all the time. We trained others that got shot at all the time and shot back. Nothing heroic here. We saw only our small part of things and were true believers, for the most part. Oh we had those few that weren't but it didn't matter. You did your jobs. At the end of the day, it was okay to tell the others that you disagreed. Just do it with a beer in your hands.

I did help with a bugout of a Marine Detachment once just south of the DMZ. We dropped in, loaded up with people and got the hell out of there. During that short time, I saw a completely different world than I could ever imagine.

The point here is, some were real believers and others were not but everyone did their jobs. Doing your job kept you and your buddies alive and got you one day closer to that freedom bird.

Not a bad response at all.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I will never make the claim to be a Vietnam Veteran. But I spent a lot of time in SEA, around it and over it. Here is my take.

One person stated that it depended on the time period you were there to your views. I'll go one step further and say, it's going to even differ from individual to individual during the same time frames. It's also going to differ on the locations. The Mud Dog Soldier will have a completely different view than, say, the Saigon Office Worker or MP. But the MP up around the DMZ will have a completely different point of view. Then there is that Marine that sat on a piece of mud just below the DMZ in a detachment of about 200 troops knowing full well that he was always due for an overrun at any moonless night. Tet was the only time that all of these people got to see it in it's ugliest view. During Tet, those weren't battle hardened troops fighting the VC in many areas. Those were clerks, mechanics, technicians, cooks that were pressed into service and handed a gun. The Officers were the battle hardened and made it work. TET should have worked for the VC and the North. But Americans are a strange lot and can fight no matter what job you hold. And it failed for them not just because of the 11Bs, but because of all the other Guys that only held a Rifle in Basic Training.

I got there after Tet, in 1969. Not in Vietnam but somewhere to the west of it. Obviously, we had a completely different take on things. We weren't being shot at all the time. We trained others that got shot at all the time and shot back. Nothing heroic here. We saw only our small part of things and were true believers, for the most part. Oh we had those few that weren't but it didn't matter. You did your jobs. At the end of the day, it was okay to tell the others that you disagreed. Just do it with a beer in your hands.

I did help with a bugout of a Marine Detachment once just south of the DMZ. We dropped in, loaded up with people and got the hell out of there. During that short time, I saw a completely different world than I could ever imagine.

The point here is, some were real believers and others were not but everyone did their jobs. Doing your job kept you and your buddies alive and got you one day closer to that freedom bird.

Not a bad response at all.

I guess you had to be there, Brother.

 

[Lysistrata]

This thread just brings up bad memories. He is one of the people who screwed up my brother's life. Years later, I had to have coffee with this fool when he approached me during a break at a symposium I had to attend as part of my job. I schmoozed, even though I wanted to split his head wide open with an ax. His actions affected the lives of millions of people. He wanted to sacrifice my brother and he got one of my brother's friends. Westie liked dead Americans.

I am also a Vietnam War Vet and my life got screwed up too. All of our lives got screwed up. It took me several years before I stopped having scary nightmares about Vietnam, then I started having dreams about it that weren't so scary., Eventually, I stopped thinking about it completely. Anyway, I don't blame Westermorland personally. He was trained to do that, that's what he was paid to do, and that became his life. The people I blame are politicians and people like Bob Hope and John Wayne (who never saw the pointed end of a real gun) who complained about our morale. I would have liked to punch them unconscious and kicked them in the balls. May they - and those with the same celebrity status who made 'gung ho' comments - all rot in hell till the end of time.

I am grateful for your life and I hope that it has been joyful for you. As a young girl, high school, college, I did the best that I knew how to stop it, including protests in my home town in NJ, and serving as a marshal in the protests in DC when I became a university student there. The school doctor made me read instructions on what to do if tear-gassed. I sat on the steps of the Capitol building looking out over a crowd of people amassed on the National Mall protesting this atrocity. Over 200 thousand, I think.

The politicians now have done this again. Iraq. Afghanistan. Now Iran. Again and again and again. What is it about the human race that we have to keep fighting and killing for no reason under God? I give thanks for your survival.

 

[cnm]

So it was all for nothing?

Absolutely. The essence of US foreign policy.

 

[Picaro]

....the US could NEVER win in Nam, but USMC Gen. Walt wanted to do it differently--small USMC/SV units--getting to know the people/etc
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/usmc/williamson.pdf
Lewis William Walt - Wikipedia
etc

Being barred from the northern part kind of put a damper on that idea, though it did have much to recommend it. Viet Nam is quickly becoming an American satellite these days.

we could've even went into the North and nothing would change--they would've just:
waited us out
moved their troops

Don't know where they would have moved them to, since they hated the Red Chinese, they were a Soviet flunky state; the Chinese only got involved when the Soviets had to stand down, and that 'relationship' had soured in the late 1940's.