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Get the religious institution of marriage out of the laws ... then I won't care who gets what, so long as it has religious ties ... it's not legal in any form.
Why are SOME gays so obessed with being gay?
Did you just actually ask that? Wow.
Uhm yeah, I did. You certainly don't see people being obsessed with being heterosexual.
For the record, I don't give a rat's ass what people do behind closed doors. But I do believe in the institution of marraige between a MAN and a WOMAN.
One question that has yet to be answered by those against gay marriage:
Why is it so important to you?
All I hear is whining about "redefinition" ... which is utter bullshit, nor does it answer the question.
Because we all have an interest in what relationships we consider to be the most beneficial, and therefore the most deserving of leal status under our marital laws. You might ask the same question about those opposed to polygamist marriages, or incestuous marriages. The fact is, some types of relationships are more valuable to society than others.
Really ... how so? Just saying it is doesn't make it so, how is gay marriage less beneficial to society?
people know what they want and what they dont want, and they are not buying that this is about civil rights.
Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick! "people know what they want and what they dont want" Well, if "people" would concentrate on their OWN wants and leave the rest of the populace alone we'd have a pretty happy world. One of my favorite Thanksgiving graces asks God to protect us from the puritans. It wouldn't make a damned bit of difference to you if you weren't Myrtle Kravitz.
I have a friend who was in the Army serving in Germany a few years ago. He struck up a conversation with a local friend at one of the Beer Gardens and they started talking about countries and their comparative freedom. While my friend went on about America's tradition of freedom, the German disagreed and stated that many of the European countries were freer now. When asked how so, he stated that Europeans aren't all up in everyone else's personal business, trying to regulate private issues. My friend had to agree with that one.
Really ... how so? Just saying it is doesn't make it so, how is gay marriage less beneficial to society?
I am not sure that it is. However, our marital laws recognize heterosexual relationships above same sex relationships, incestuous relationships, polygamous relationships, etc. And the simple fact is that there is no argument in support of gay marriage that should not also be extended to polygamist and incestuous relationships.
Originally they did include polygamy ... so they have already been changed as far as laws go ... what difference will one more change make?
Get the religious institution of marriage out of the laws ... then I won't care who gets what, so long as it has religious ties ... it's not legal in any form.
It already has been, Kittycat. Take a look at your state's marital and domestic relations code. There is absolutely no religious aspect to the legal aspects of marriage, any more than there is to the prohibition against the sale of marijuana.
Get the religious institution of marriage out of the laws ... then I won't care who gets what, so long as it has religious ties ... it's not legal in any form.
It already has been, Kittycat. Take a look at your state's marital and domestic relations code. There is absolutely no religious aspect to the legal aspects of marriage, any more than there is to the prohibition against the sale of marijuana.
Aaah ... but if my religion performs a gay marriage it is not legally recognized ... therefore it is connected to religion still.
One question that has yet to be answered by those against gay marriage:
Why is it so important to you?
All I hear is whining about "redefinition" ... which is utter bullshit, nor does it answer the question.
Because we all have an interest in what relationships we consider to be the most beneficial, and therefore the most deserving of leal status under our marital laws. You might ask the same question about those opposed to polygamist marriages, or incestuous marriages. The fact is, some types of relationships are more valuable to society than others.
Get the religious institution of marriage out of the laws ... then I won't care who gets what, so long as it has religious ties ... it's not legal in any form.
It already has been, Kittycat. Take a look at your state's marital and domestic relations code. There is absolutely no religious aspect to the legal aspects of marriage, any more than there is to the prohibition against the sale of marijuana.
Aaah ... but if my religion performs a gay marriage it is not legally recognized ... therefore it is connected to religion still.
again.... and again... if left to the voter, we would not have had civil rights for blacks in America. I do not want the rights of the minority trampled by a majority mob.
Then how would you propose that we institute laws in this country? Let everyone do their own thing?
I like that! I would not have to pay anymore in taxes than I want. Works for me!
And technically, the courts will decide these matters, because if a law is passed that is unconstitutional, it will eventually end up in the hands of the courts and they will ultimately make the decision.
Immie
And that's what has been happening and the Right Wing 'Do As We Say, Not As We Do' Crowd starts screaming about activist judges.
Well, in CA, there is a petition out to change ALL legal marriages to civil unions and strike the word "marriage" from all civil laws and documentation. Perhaps that will make the "marriage is religious only" crowd happy. You think?
Me tooThen how would you propose that we institute laws in this country? Let everyone do their own thing?
I like that! I would not have to pay anymore in taxes than I want. Works for me!
And technically, the courts will decide these matters, because if a law is passed that is unconstitutional, it will eventually end up in the hands of the courts and they will ultimately make the decision.
Immie
And that's what has been happening and the Right Wing 'Do As We Say, Not As We Do' Crowd starts screaming about activist judges.
Well, in CA, there is a petition out to change ALL legal marriages to civil unions and strike the word "marriage" from all civil laws and documentation. Perhaps that will make the "marriage is religious only" crowd happy. You think?
It would work for me.
It already has been, Kittycat. Take a look at your state's marital and domestic relations code. There is absolutely no religious aspect to the legal aspects of marriage, any more than there is to the prohibition against the sale of marijuana.
Aaah ... but if my religion performs a gay marriage it is not legally recognized ... therefore it is connected to religion still.
I repeat, what about Incestuous Adult relationships? Why shouldn't they have the right to marry? Why shouldn't multiple Partners have the right to marriage, if it IS a right?
One question that has yet to be answered by those against gay marriage:
Why is it so important to you?
All I hear is whining about "redefinition" ... which is utter bullshit, nor does it answer the question.
Because we all have an interest in what relationships we consider to be the most beneficial, and therefore the most deserving of leal status under our marital laws. You might ask the same question about those opposed to polygamist marriages, or incestuous marriages. The fact is, some types of relationships are more valuable to society than others.
If you consider over-population a threat to the sustainability of our planet, then having at least some same-sex marriages is a benefit to society.
It happens frequently in nature - when the population of a particular species increases to an unsustainable level, homosexuality and increased violence happens.
In terms of incest - the polluting of the gene pool is the detriment to society. Same thing with polygammy - the resulting gene pool loses it's diversity and is contaminated.
By GLENN ADAMS and DAVID CRARY, Associated Press Writers Glenn Adams And David Crary, Associated Press Writers 19 mins ago
PORTLAND, Maine Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state 31 in all in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.
Maine voters reject gay-marriage law - Yahoo! News
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~A15
It's good to see there's folks out there with some common sense.
Says the poster who lives in the equivalent of a third world country when it comes to human rights. Why aren't you guys gone yet?
Yeah, at least you guys aren't Utah...It's good to see there's folks out there with some common sense.
Says the poster who lives in the equivalent of a third world country when it comes to human rights. Why aren't you guys gone yet?
Don't be a hater.
It already has been, Kittycat. Take a look at your state's marital and domestic relations code. There is absolutely no religious aspect to the legal aspects of marriage, any more than there is to the prohibition against the sale of marijuana.
Aaah ... but if my religion performs a gay marriage it is not legally recognized ... therefore it is connected to religion still.
I repeat, what about Incestuous Adult relationships? Why shouldn't they have the right to marry? Why shouldn't multiple Partners have the right to marriage, if it IS a right?
It's good to see there's folks out there with some common sense.
Says the poster who lives in the equivalent of a third world country when it comes to human rights. Why aren't you guys gone yet?
Don't be a hater.
Did you just actually ask that? Wow.
Uhm yeah, I did. You certainly don't see people being obsessed with being heterosexual.
For the record, I don't give a rat's ass what people do behind closed doors. But I do believe in the institution of marraige between a MAN and a WOMAN.
You forgot God in your marriage equation.
