Gas prices rise and melting glaciers --what's the connection??

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    Refiners have to buy credits according to The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (passed in the House June 26, 2009) would amend the Clean Air Act by establishing a “cap-and-trade” system designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) and would cap emissions from refineries and allow trading of emissions permits (“allowances”).
    The U.S. Oil Refining Industry: Background in Changing Markets and Fuel Policies

    OK.. sol follow this...

    The global warming supporters concerned about how "global warming" is causing glaciers to melt and causing rising sea levels..

    Seems reasonable doesn't it???

    FACTS:
    There are 343 quintillion gallons of water in all the oceans.
    How many gallons of water does the ocean have

    Supposedly all the glaciers in the world were melting 385 billion tons of water.

    SO in consideration of concerns about all that water rising sea levels we are paying higher gas prices cause refiners have to pay credits...
    The addition of 385 billion tons of water by melting glaciers would add
    OK... the equivalent of .000056% of all the water in all the oceans!

    This is the same as 23 ounces of water in an 648,000 gallons of an Olympic pool!
    http://www.frenchtribune.com/teneur/129337-himalayan-glaciers-not-melting-entire-fast"]http://www.frenchtribune.com/teneur/129337-himalayan-glaciers-not-melting-entire-fast"]http://www.frenchtribune.com/teneur/129337-himalayan-glaciers-not-melting-entire-fast

    In summary.. we are paying skyrocketing prices for gas because some people convinced politicians to pass a bill that forces refiners to pay for credits (passed on to us..higher prices) BECAUSE of the concern that the OCEANS will have .000056% more WATER!
     
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    Once again, the bill you are referencing was never signed into law.

    "Cap and Trade" didn't pass the Senate, and was not signed by the President.
     
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    So all you "independents" (this is NOT for the Obamatrons as they are immuned from truth,facts!!) but you independents that maybe now regretting your Obama vote!

    Remember Obama won because people believed what the MSM wrote in glowing terms about Obama!
    "Like a god" said Evan Thomas editor of Newsweek!

    BUT Obama/supporters are a little prone to exaggeration such as the above comment,
    concerned about the oceans rising by .000056%!
    SO what do they do? Pass a bill that raises gas prices because refiners have to buy carbon credits!
    These same people moan and groan about 50 million people "uninsured" so they pass Obamacare... nevermind that 10 million uninsured WERE NOT citizens, or 14 million already had Medicaid and to hell with those 18 million that could AFFORD health insurance but under age 34 DIDN"T want to buy and yet THEY are counted as part of the 50 million!

    So NOW Obamacare has FORCED insurance companies to RAISE the premiums on EVERYONE
    because of less then 8 million truly uninsured!

    IS there a pattern here you independents??
    It is very simple.. the people giving you Obamacare, rising gas prices THINK The ONLY solution is more government!
    WHEN in reality with 41,000 NEW regulations alone in 2012 going into affect.. WE ARE BEING
    GOVERNED TO DESTRUCTION!

    Remember gas prices rising due to refiners paying credits.. credits because we are concerned about 0.000056% rise in water in the OCEANS!!!
     
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    The prospect of declining motor-fuel demand may persuade operators to idle, consolidate, or permanently close refineries.The prospect of declining motor-fuel demand may persuade operators to idle, consolidate, or permanently close refineries.
    The U.S. Oil Refining Industry: Background in Changing Markets and Fuel Policies

    But east coast refineries do not have the pipeline connections to western Canadian oil, and have historically not had access to the Latin American heavy crudes, so they did not invest in the heavy oil processing equipment. They were stuck relying on expensive light oil imports which squeezed their profit margins and led to their demise.

    East Coast refinery shut downs are a symptom of the tar sands oil rush | The Price of Oil
     
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    Global warming is a hoax
     
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    For some reason what I typed before the above quotes didn't appear!

    BUT YES you are right... IT DIDN"T PASS! YOU ARE RIGHT!!!
    The problem is no one told the refiners!
    They made BUSINESS DECISIONS ASSUMING it would pass and gave them reasons to close some of the older refineries that were going to bust their profit margins IF they had to buy credits!

    So while THESE refiners didn't have to as you say the bill did pass... THEY can't turn on or off a refinery in case you aren't aware of it in just a few days!
    ANY activities such as closing a refinery require years of planning!
    And so these refiners USED The assumption they were going to have to buy "credits" put that into their closure equations and now WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE!

    MY whole point is YOU can't be messing around tinkering with the economy as Obama has done!
    "Credits" "ObamaCare" "Dodd Bill" all major MESSING around with very strong elements of our economy has NOT SOLVED the economic issues BUT delayed and exacerbated the problems!

    SO again you are right...BUT IT HAD THE UNINTENDED consequences of CAUSING refiners to close and therefore WE HAVE higher Gas prices.. all because these idiots were concerned about .000056% of the oceans' total water!!!
    AND THAT IS A FACT !
     
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    It is a hoax that has COST YOU Money right now!

    Read above comment about refiners concerns of having to buy "credits" and as result added into their calculations to close refineries!

    All because some people evidently got so excited about adding .000056% of waters in the Oceans!
     
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    Rising gas prices are crazy. Melting glaciers are even crazier. The whole damn world is going crazy...
     
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    What must happen is people need to practice more "common sense"!
    Again..just a little common sense for example if someone had taken the time
    to do a simple calculation i.e. 385 billion tons of glaciers melting constitutes less the
    .000056% of the entire OCEANS!

    I mean put in context 23 oz. of water in an 648,000 gallon Olympic pool is the
    same as all the melted water from 385 billion tons of glaciers into the
    343,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water in the oceans!

    But because some people don't seem to have ANY common sense, we are now paying more at the gas pump .. why because of idiotic concern about "GLOBAL WARMING"!!!
     

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