"Future of Palestine"

[docmauser1]

It's no secret Jordan serves the same master as Israel does, is it, Drivel?

It is drivel, indeed. Our honorable georgephillip is, thereby, advised to read the article provided to save himself the indignity of declaring a solar eclipse a bankers' conspiracy. Bonkers conspiracy though is allowed, of course.

"Their worst nightmare, as a veteran Jordanian diplomat once told Israeli colleagues during a private encounter, is that once the Palestinians are given control over the border, thousands of them from the future Palestinian state would pour into Jordan.
"The Jordanians already have a 'problem' with the fact that their kingdom's population consists of a Palestinian majority, which some say has reached over 80%. The last thing the Jordanians want is to see hundreds of thousands of Palestinians move from the West Bank or Gaza Strip into the kingdom.
"Although the Jordanians are not part of the ongoing peace talks between the Palestinian Authority and Israel, they are hoping that Israel will not rush to abandon security control over its long border with the kingdom. Understandably, the Jordanian monarchy cannot go public with its stance for fear of being accused by Arabs and Muslims of treason and collaboration with the 'Zionist enemy.'"

Does it mean that our honorable georgephillip's learning?

Have you noticed how many Arab "problems" began when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Palestinians in 1948?

Naaah, our honorable georgephillip isn't learning, of course. It's all coulda-woulda-ifa drivel.

 

[georgephillip]

It is drivel, indeed. Our honorable georgephillip is, thereby, advised to read the article provided to save himself the indignity of declaring a solar eclipse a bankers' conspiracy. Bonkers conspiracy though is allowed, of course.

"Their worst nightmare, as a veteran Jordanian diplomat once told Israeli colleagues during a private encounter, is that once the Palestinians are given control over the border, thousands of them from the future Palestinian state would pour into Jordan.
"The Jordanians already have a 'problem' with the fact that their kingdom's population consists of a Palestinian majority, which some say has reached over 80%. The last thing the Jordanians want is to see hundreds of thousands of Palestinians move from the West Bank or Gaza Strip into the kingdom.
"Although the Jordanians are not part of the ongoing peace talks between the Palestinian Authority and Israel, they are hoping that Israel will not rush to abandon security control over its long border with the kingdom. Understandably, the Jordanian monarchy cannot go public with its stance for fear of being accused by Arabs and Muslims of treason and collaboration with the 'Zionist enemy.'"

Does it mean that our honorable georgephillip's learning?

Have you noticed how many Arab "problems" began when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Palestinians in 1948?

Naaah, our honorable georgephillip isn't learning, of course. It's all coulda-woulda-ifa drivel.

It's all colonization and no liberation, Drivel:

"The founding fathers of Zionism were much more honest about what they stood for. Over and over, one word appears in their writing: not national 'liberation,' but 'colonization.' Vladimir Jabotinsky, one of the founding fathers of the Zionist movement, wrote in 1923:

"[It is the] iron law of every colonizing movement, a law which knows of no exceptions, a law which existed in all times and under all circumstances.

"If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not 'difficult,' not 'dangerous' but impossible!...

"Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force.

"It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot-or else I am through with playing at colonization."

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

Be sure to tell us ifa you're through playing at colonization, Drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

"Their worst nightmare, as a veteran Jordanian diplomat once told Israeli colleagues during a private encounter, is that once the Palestinians are given control over the border, thousands of them from the future Palestinian state would pour into Jordan.
"The Jordanians already have a 'problem' with the fact that their kingdom's population consists of a Palestinian majority, which some say has reached over 80%. The last thing the Jordanians want is to see hundreds of thousands of Palestinians move from the West Bank or Gaza Strip into the kingdom.
"Although the Jordanians are not part of the ongoing peace talks between the Palestinian Authority and Israel, they are hoping that Israel will not rush to abandon security control over its long border with the kingdom. Understandably, the Jordanian monarchy cannot go public with its stance for fear of being accused by Arabs and Muslims of treason and collaboration with the 'Zionist enemy.'"

Does it mean that our honorable georgephillip's learning?

Have you noticed how many Arab "problems" began when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Palestinians in 1948?

Naaah, our honorable georgephillip isn't learning, of course. It's all coulda-woulda-ifa drivel.

It's all colonization and no liberation, Drivel:

That is what major arab immigrants and their descendants, i.e. palistanians, do, of course.

"The Hidden Roots of Zionism"

Major socialist international drivelaggio from the socialist state of occupied California.

 

[MisterBeale]

I was struck by this John Mearsheimer lecture because it clearly lays out the future if Israel does not accept a free Palestine as the UN vote authorized...

Even on this board we can see the divisions of pro-Israeli posters who hate all things Palestinian to some who would love to see a peaceful solution and co-existence for both peoples.

We should all look inward and try to post peaceful solutions on these threads.

John Mearsheimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The "Future of Palestine" lecture[edit source]

In April 2010, Mearsheimer delivered the Hisham B. Sharabi Memorial Lecture at the Palestine Center in Washington, DC, which he titled "The Future of Palestine: Righteous Jews vs. the New Afrikaners." He argued that "the two-state solution is now a fantasy" because Israel will incorporate the Gaza Strip and the West Bank into a "Greater Israel", which would become an apartheid state. This state, according to Mearsheimer, would not be politically viable, most American Jews would not support it, and it would eventually become a democratic bi-national state, politically dominated by its Palestinian majority. He suggested that "American Jews who care deeply about Israel" could be divided into three categories: the "new Afrikaners" who will support Israel even if it is an apartheid state, "righteous Jews," who believe that individual rights are universal, and apply equally to Jews and Palestinians, and the largest group who he called the "great ambivalent middle". He concludes that most of the "great ambivalent middle" would not defend an apartheid Israel because "American Jews are among the staunchest defenders of traditional liberal values" resulting in the "new Afrikaners" becoming increasingly marginalized over time. Mearsheimer stated that he "would classify most of the individuals who head the Israel lobby’s major organizations as "'new Afrikaners'" and specifically listed Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee, Malcolm Hoenlein of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Ronald Lauder of the World Jewish Congress, Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America; as well as "businessmen" like Sheldon Adelson, Lester Crown, and Mortimer Zuckerman and "media personalities" like Fred Hiatt, Charles Krauthammer, Bret Stephens and Martin Peretz.[29]

Damn. He called it on Ukraine, and he called it on this issue. Facts really don't care about our feelings.


Vol. 28 No. 6 · 23 March 2006

The Israel Lobby​

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