Future of our Military

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    In the future, where do you think our Military will be fighting? Not only that, but whom and for how long.

    Let's try to keep this thread about policy issues while keeping out things such as politics, partisanship, etc.

    Let's say, a year down the road, three years, and five years for example.

    Some background information for those who haven't seen yet:
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...lt-on-terrorism-widens-on-two-continents.html

    Thoughts USMB?
     
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    We hopefully will not have abandoned Afghanistan. It takes 15 to 20 years of sustained effort to wipe out insurgency. In the case of Iraq hopefully our 8 years on the ground and training of the new Iraqi Army and police will sustain the drive in that Country. Terrorism is just another form of Insurgency.

    How does one leave politics out of military discussions? The Military is RUN by politicians and even the Great military authors of the past and present all admit war and the use of the military are just extensions of Foreign policy.

    Under Obama I do not see us attacking anyone else. In fact until a lot of Americans wake up to the fact that Islam is the enemy I do not see us accomplishing much even in this Country.
     
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    I think that China will attempt to take over Taiwan in the next 10 years. They see the wars we are in and the drain on our economy and armed forces. The army is sustaining a lot of wear on tear on material and the men fighting are getting tired of fighting wars that have no end. Sure we have victory in Iraq but Afghanistan has no end as long as the insurgents have a safe base of operations in Pakistan. We are doomed to follow the Russian experience there. But it is the overall status of our military that the Chinese are looking at. They are rebuilding their armed forces into a modern force.

    They want Taiwan back and they have been willing to wait until the right time to seize it and that time is sometime in the next 10 years. Will we decide to interfere, I think we will not. The cost of a war with China would be enormous. The Chinese would be fighting in their own yard and we would have to move carriers and fly our planes enormous distances to get to the fight. We would probably lose some carriers not to mention our expensive planes. The fight would have to be contained over Taiwan and the Taiwan Strait. If we bombed the mainland we would be inviting attacks on California, or Hawaii or other states and territories. Non-nuclear ballistic missiles could reach anywhere in the US and that isn’t even taking into account nuclear forces. I don’t think the American people want to go through that fear again (Cold War and MAD) especially for someplace that we have no real reason for defending.

    For those of you who think the US military is untouchable here is a link

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/files/2008_RAND_Pacific_View_Air_Combat_Briefing.pdf

    to a RAND study about a possible war with China over Taiwan. It deals primarily with the air war and how the US would have to have everything go right. Even then after the first wave we lose a significant amount of our AWACS and refueling tankers. Without those tankers our fighters are worthless because they cannot get to fight. It is an interesting study and it is 2 years old.
     
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    Iran Vs. Israel?

    That seems the most realistic for now.
     
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    Could be the worlds first nuclear war! The Israelis might have to use nukes to get to the underground nuclear sites. And they don't have to worry about fallout because the winds will take it east into Afghanistan and Pakistan.
     
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    Well what I meant was I don't want us to turn into a "OMG OBAMA or OMG REPUBLICANS!" thread. Wanted to have a discussion. :cool:

    How many troops do you think we'll need to fight in Afghanistan in the coming years? I'm not going to bother with your last paragraph because there are already plenty of threads about that.
     
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    Israel will not allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon. They won't let them get to completion. The way I see it right now, Saudi Arabia has given the go ahead to Israel. Israel will end up going through Saudi Arabia to take out what Iran is doing. At that point, anything goes as to what happens. A thousand different things.
     
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    We need to put more pressure on Europe to provide combat troops. The current administration makes that nearly impossible with the constant " we are leaving " comments.

    Such comments, including the now infamous " we are not fighting to win" statement embolden our enemies, weaken any bargaining chips or control we may have over allies and generally are ignorant ways to run ones Foreign policy.

    130000 to 150000 with Allied help should be enough. The problem with Afghanistan is that we do not have a reliable base from which to make a rapid expansion of military and police indigenous to the Country.
     
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    Afghanistan is a lost cause as long as the Taliban can run across the border with Pakistan. ItÂ’s the same scenario as Vietnam. We proved that when the Russians were there. Why do we not learn from history? We need to withdraw and let the native forces fight it out. If the Taliban resumes control of the country which is not a foregone conclusion then we can keep an eye on them. If we see terror camps being reformed, bomb them without warning. It is not a good solution but it is the best solution and no matter how long we stay there we will have the same result.

    Our military needs time to recoup. The tanks and vehicles need to be overhauled and replaced and the troops need to rest and recover from 8 years of continuous combat. The country is becoming war weary and if something else pops up we have a hard time responding effectively.
     
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