Friendly Neighborhood Communist Passing Through

[TheParser]

As a relatively new member, I also welcome the OP.

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As other posters have already said, socialism/communism has not worked.

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BUT I greatly respect sincere socialists like the OP.


1. I have read that the socialists who took power in Russia in World War I included some wonderful people who wanted to end the human suffering so long endured by the Russian people. (They even legalized gay relations, which Marshal Stalin later revoked.)

2. I have read about the Chinese Communists who truly wanted to end the suffering of the Chinese people. According to what I have read, the first ten years of the Communist regime were inspiring as for the first time in Chinese history, everyone had a job, housing, food, medical care (no matter how rudimentary), etc. Then like any other dictator, Chairman Mao went mad with power.

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Some people feel that there MUST be a better system than our current mix of capitalism and socialism, but no one has been able to discover what it is.

 

[Tehon]

Some people feel that there MUST be a better system than our current mix of capitalism and socialism, but no one has been able to discover what it is.

What it is, is known. What it isn't, is understood.

As has already been mentioned, that particular socialist fled before he even got started. It seems I am the sole degenerate here. We can humor dogmaphobe and just say that I never grew up.

 

[MisterBeale]

Nobody noticed that after the poster made this thread back in October of last year, he hasn't been active?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I served against the commies like you and I don't intend to not continue against serving against those commies like you.

Who Protects the Campus Commie Scum?

It is irrational to kill them 10,000 miles away and, at the same time, let them run wild at home.

 

[JimmyC]

Disclaimer 1: This isn't a troll account, I'm actually a Trotskyist.

Disclaimer 2: I'm not anti-religious, a proponent of the concept of "white privilege," or a member of the regressive left. Please don't claim I'm any of the above without knowing what I stand for.

With that out of the way, it's a pleasure to meet everyone here. I'm a college pre-medical/music student that's probably retarded so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt I suppose. But I'm here to provide a case for Marxism and discuss politics in my spare time without fear of ruining unrelated conversations. Seems like it should be fun; it's great to have a place where talking about politics isn't shoved off to the side like an unwanted guest.

Also to meet my anti-capitalist propaganda quota for the day: corporate America sucks, stick it to the man. Or something.

Disclaimer 1: This isn't a troll account, I'm actually a Trotskyist.

Disclaimer 2: I'm not anti-religious, a proponent of the concept of "white privilege," or a member of the regressive left. Please don't claim I'm any of the above without knowing what I stand for.

With that out of the way, it's a pleasure to meet everyone here. I'm a college pre-medical/music student that's probably retarded so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt I suppose. But I'm here to provide a case for Marxism and discuss politics in my spare time without fear of ruining unrelated conversations. Seems like it should be fun; it's great to have a place where talking about politics isn't shoved off to the side like an unwanted guest.

Also to meet my anti-capitalist propaganda quota for the day: corporate America sucks, stick it to the man. Or something.

Welcome to the forum. Sorry I've been out of touch for a couple weeks.

From a Libertarian to a Marxist:
Libertarians believe in freedom of government control. We stand just one step in front of anarchy.
Marxist's believe in strong government control and government dictated distribution of wealth; Correct?
Let me pick on us first. We will start with Liberty under a functional Republic: The United States was formed as a Republic, not a democracy. A quote from Benjamin Franklin after being asked by a local citizen; What kind of a country have you given us Mr. Franklin? Franklin said; "a Republic, if you can keep it."
So fast forward to today - we didn't keep it. We got lazy. We resisted the personal responsibility and hard work that comes with Liberty within a Republic. Things like Honesty, Integrity, Diligence, Self Discipline, Self governance, Service to Society, and obeying the 10 Commandment's of the Bible.
For a moment, take religion out of the picture, the Ten Commandment's are based in undisputable truth's. The rule book for humanity is simple to comprehend but difficult to attain. The Founders of America knew this but also knew to avoid oppression and slavery of government, it was the only path. We were rulers of ourselves in times when most people looked out for each other, helped each other, shared wealth with each other, worshiped together, and a handshake was a contract. I'm old enough to have seen the twilight of this behavior. We let it go.
Corruption of unregulated commerce soon reared the ugly head of greed on steroids. Greed lead to crime, brutality, slavery, and even genocide. We let ourselves down. We became indifferent to corruption.
So in a nutshell, there are some of us who wish to return to a Libertarian Republic as opposed to a Democracy. The thought of having a kind, truthful, self governing society is compelling. No BIG BROTHER! Unfortunately we can't trust our elected officials to be honest and forthright. Corruption, or anti-commandment behavior ruins the original concept of America. America was suppose to remain "Good and Kind" among the nations of the world.
Now the problem with Communism and Marxism:
They control the populous and maintain order. Order creates a sense of security. Ok. Typically the societal evolution of communism starts out well. Everybody gets an equal cut - except government officials or industry operators who get more. Then corruption sets in. Officials soon find out that a controlled society is easy to manipulate and deceive. Then comes fascism. Heavy handed control soon leads to a modern form of slavery. You get what you get, when they say, and you get only how much they allow. Working harder or being smarter gets you nowhere unless you give your rights to success - to the government!
Having said that I will state that in some places the strictness of my overview is not comprehensive. My narrative is to paint a historical set of facts. History repeats itself.
Again, corruption ruins a workable system. I postulate that Communism could work if there were an absolute void of corruption. If Communist leaders were reverent and willfully shared, evenly, among society and took only an equal amount for themselves. It would be utopian. This is what they lead the populous to beleive; Protection, Equality, and all that is available in Sustenance and Wealth. It's a pretty big promise. Are you getting all that? Did the Millions of murdered Russians, Pol's, Ukrainians, and Jews get all that?
Yours and My governments are so similar in todays world that it's crazy to have the argument. My argument is that - IF THE HUMAN RACE WERE TO OBEY THE 10 SIMPLE RULES OF HOW HUMANITY IS TO BEHAVE - we would have a utopian hybrid society. A peaceful communal or tribal self governing system that would still allow for individuals to become more successful in life due to intelligence, talent, or hard work. Those who excel would be committed and compelled to share their wealth with the sick and unable people in their local community. The best part - NO NEED FOR BIG GVERNMENT!
The argument is not for Governments. It's for humanity itself!
So, welcome fellow human whom I will protect and support but I will not cease to persist in getting you to understand my point. Leave government to devour itself and become a part of righteous humanity! It may come to be that the only thing left is you and me helping each other survive.
God Bless

 

[boedicca]

Disclaimer 1: This isn't a troll account, I'm actually a Trotskyist.

Disclaimer 2: I'm not anti-religious, a proponent of the concept of "white privilege," or a member of the regressive left. Please don't claim I'm any of the above without knowing what I stand for.

With that out of the way, it's a pleasure to meet everyone here. I'm a college pre-medical/music student that's probably retarded so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt I suppose. But I'm here to provide a case for Marxism and discuss politics in my spare time without fear of ruining unrelated conversations. Seems like it should be fun; it's great to have a place where talking about politics isn't shoved off to the side like an unwanted guest.

Also to meet my anti-capitalist propaganda quota for the day: corporate America sucks, stick it to the man. Or something.

Condolences. Perhaps you'll grow out of it when you enter the real world and face things like income and property taxes.

 

[JimmyC]

As a relatively new member, I also welcome the OP.

*****

As other posters have already said, socialism/communism has not worked.

*****

BUT I greatly respect sincere socialists like the OP.


1. I have read that the socialists who took power in Russia in World War I included some wonderful people who wanted to end the human suffering so long endured by the Russian people. (They even legalized gay relations, which Marshal Stalin later revoked.)

2. I have read about the Chinese Communists who truly wanted to end the suffering of the Chinese people. According to what I have read, the first ten years of the Communist regime were inspiring as for the first time in Chinese history, everyone had a job, housing, food, medical care (no matter how rudimentary), etc. Then like any other dictator, Chairman Mao went mad with power.

*****

Some people feel that there MUST be a better system than our current mix of capitalism and socialism, but no one has been able to discover what it is.

 

[JimmyC]

Read the Bible.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Communists are good for one thing...fertilizer.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And if capitalism worked the third world wouldn't be starving, countries wouldn't be splitting apart at the seams due to ethnic tensions, and the world economy wouldn't be on the verge of imminent collapse. I understand your position and the damage Stalinism has done to the word Communist, but I feel as though the human race is capable of far better than second best.

I have a feeling i'm going to get utterly destroyed on this forum. Can't wait.

So you're a masochist?

 

[HenryBHough]

Communism never worked?

True, it's perfect for those who don't want to work but want others to work their asses off to keep the drones in goodies.

So, no, Communism works exactly as it is intended. Great for the drones. For the worker-bees? Not so much.

 

[Tehon]

Communism never worked?

True, it's perfect for those who don't want to work but want others to work their asses off to keep the drones in goodies.

I take it you've never given much thought to capitalism's place in the historical development of the social relations of production.

Slavery----->Feudalism------->Capitalism

 

[JimmyC]

And if capitalism worked the third world wouldn't be starving, countries wouldn't be splitting apart at the seams due to ethnic tensions, and the world economy wouldn't be on the verge of imminent collapse. I understand your position and the damage Stalinism has done to the word Communist, but I feel as though the human race is capable of far better than second best.

I have a feeling i'm going to get utterly destroyed on this forum. Can't wait.

So you're a masochist?

Well son, Capitalism, Democracies, Republics, Communism, Marxism, are all different things. You need to learn the intricacies among all of them and understand how capitalism is used. Capitalism like all things is subject to corruption and misguidance.
Capitalism Is still the best system for an individual to become the biggest and best on the block. Communism keeps you suppressed while you share your mind and success with the State. The problem lies squarely on corruption in both cases.
Again - It's a humanity problem! To argue one system against the other is futile. If all men had to stand in front of God and make decisions based on what's best for mankind the world would look a whole lot different.
Your argument will go unresolved for ages. Argue for the God's honest truth and the truth will set you free!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And if capitalism worked the third world wouldn't be starving, countries wouldn't be splitting apart at the seams due to ethnic tensions, and the world economy wouldn't be on the verge of imminent collapse. I understand your position and the damage Stalinism has done to the word Communist, but I feel as though the human race is capable of far better than second best.

I have a feeling i'm going to get utterly destroyed on this forum. Can't wait.

So you're a masochist?

Well son, Capitalism, Democracies, Republics, Communism, Marxism, are all different things. You need to learn the intricacies among all of them and understand how capitalism is used. Capitalism like all things is subject to corruption and misguidance.
Capitalism Is still the best system for an individual to become the biggest and best on the block. Communism keeps you suppressed while you share your mind and success with the State. The problem lies squarely on corruption in both cases.
Again - It's a humanity problem! To argue one system against the other is futile. If all men had to stand in front of God and make decisions based on what's best for mankind the world would look a whole lot different.
Your argument will go unresolved for ages. Argue for the God's honest truth and the truth will set you free!

Way to wordy there Jimmy.
As a capitalist I'm way too busy to spend the time reading that.

 

[JimmyC]

And if capitalism worked the third world wouldn't be starving, countries wouldn't be splitting apart at the seams due to ethnic tensions, and the world economy wouldn't be on the verge of imminent collapse. I understand your position and the damage Stalinism has done to the word Communist, but I feel as though the human race is capable of far better than second best.

I have a feeling i'm going to get utterly destroyed on this forum. Can't wait.

So you're a masochist?

Well son, Capitalism, Democracies, Republics, Communism, Marxism, are all different things. You need to learn the intricacies among all of them and understand how capitalism is used. Capitalism like all things is subject to corruption and misguidance.
Capitalism Is still the best system for an individual to become the biggest and best on the block. Communism keeps you suppressed while you share your mind and success with the State. The problem lies squarely on corruption in both cases.
Again - It's a humanity problem! To argue one system against the other is futile. If all men had to stand in front of God and make decisions based on what's best for mankind the world would look a whole lot different.
Your argument will go unresolved for ages. Argue for the God's honest truth and the truth will set you free!

Way to wordy there Jimmy.
As a capitalist I'm way too busy to spend the time reading that.

 

[JimmyC]

In a hurry? Then why are you here at all?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

In a hurry? Then why are you here at all?

What are you? Some kinda fascist?

 

[JimmyC]

In a hurry? Then why are you here at all?

What are you? Some kinda fascist?

No but its fun acting as one.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Communism never worked?

True, it's perfect for those who don't want to work but want others to work their asses off to keep the drones in goodies.

I take it you've never given much thought to capitalism's place in the historical development of the social relations of production.

Slavery----->Feudalism------->Capitalism

Actually, it doesn't look as if you have given much thought about developing your abilities to the point you don't need to communism to take care of you.

Once you become a responsible adult who contributes to society, all these thoughts of communism tent to disappear.

 

[Tehon]

Communism never worked?

True, it's perfect for those who don't want to work but want others to work their asses off to keep the drones in goodies.

I take it you've never given much thought to capitalism's place in the historical development of the social relations of production.

Slavery----->Feudalism------->Capitalism

Actually, it doesn't look as if you have given much thought about developing your abilities to the point you don't need to communism to take care of you.

Once you become a responsible adult who contributes to society, all these thoughts of communism tent to disappear.

I have no idea what you're talking about.