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    Disclaimer 1: This isn't a troll account, I'm actually a Trotskyist.

    Disclaimer 2: I'm not anti-religious, a proponent of the concept of "white privilege," or a member of the regressive left. Please don't claim I'm any of the above without knowing what I stand for.

    With that out of the way, it's a pleasure to meet everyone here. I'm a college pre-medical/music student that's probably retarded so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt I suppose. But I'm here to provide a case for Marxism and discuss politics in my spare time without fear of ruining unrelated conversations. Seems like it should be fun; it's great to have a place where talking about politics isn't shoved off to the side like an unwanted guest.

    Also to meet my anti-capitalist propaganda quota for the day: corporate America sucks, stick it to the man. Or something.
     
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    Welcome....


    Been nice knowing ya'.

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    Just kill yourself.

    If marxism worked the USSR would have liberated us from Reagan.

    Venezuela would be exporting food, Cuba would be stopping us from floating to their shores, and the North Koreans would build fences to keep people out.

    Collectivist governments fail because of nature, not just because it's a shitty idea.


     
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    And if capitalism worked the third world wouldn't be starving, countries wouldn't be splitting apart at the seams due to ethnic tensions, and the world economy wouldn't be on the verge of imminent collapse. I understand your position and the damage Stalinism has done to the word Communist, but I feel as though the human race is capable of far better than second best.

    I have a feeling i'm going to get utterly destroyed on this forum. Can't wait.
     
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    I actually dont have much of a problem with a few of his ideas. I think they would solve alot of the worlds problems. But we would also lose quality of life. In some aspects, at least.
    I do NOT think "marxism" is at all capable of running world govts. ESPECIALLY This one with 320+M people. Alot of them being entitled moochers. Its just not viable.
     
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    Marxism has been a catastrophic failure. You obviously have nothing to teach me. You're going on "ignore". Good bye.
     
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    I feel you. But I think the issue with being able to apply Marxism today is a lot of people who call themselves Marxists are stuck reading Lenin's and Marx's treatises from a non-applicable time in history, and treating it as the absolute truth. Similar to biblical literalists. They ultimately fall flat in analyzing the modern world because they weren't written in the modern world. If it were tweaked and an actual, working plan was set into place, I think it's more than possible to run an international govt based on it. That's the main issue people have with it, right? The theoretical basis as it stands is impossible to pull into a practical application.

    If anything the reason why I'm here isn't so much to propagandize as I am to learn. Marxist circles are so closed-minded about a lot of things it's actually painful, and I feel I need to understand both what's going on in the world, and how other people see the world, to make any kind of progress in making Marxism viable.
     
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    Any ideas for the bolded?
     
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    Welcome - I'm quite pleased with our Democratic Republic.

    Anyway a true story, as a music student you might appreciate this - during the Christmas season a few years ago, I took my elderly mother to an outdoor performance of Christmas music by our local symphony orchestra. The guest conductor was an immigrant from Russia. One of the selections was from the Nutcracker suite - Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy - you may have heard of it.

    Here's where it gets really interesting - the conductor introduced himself, told a little of his life - and shared with us the sad story that though this beautiful music was written by a fellow countryman, it was forbidden in his homeland - and he was deeply moved to be able to conduct a performance of Tchaikovsky's work in a little town square on a cold December night.

    One more thing before I use more than my fair share of bandwidth...a few words from a former fellow traveler of yours and retired chess champion.

    'I often talk about the need to restore a vision of America as a positive force in the world, a force for liberty and peace. The essential complement to this is having big positive dreams at home as well, of restoring America’s belief in ambition and risk, of innovation and exploration, of free markets and free people. America transformed the 20th century in its image with its unparalleled success. American technology created the modern world while American culture infused it and American values inspired it.'

    Garry Kasparov: Hey, Bernie, Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism. I Lived Through It.
     
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    I'm a dumbass so at the moment not a lot. I think the main part of why it's so difficult to start it up, however, has to do with the fact that the current state of the working class is one of subtle, rather than overt exploitation. I think it's easy for everyone to say that corporations and governments can do some horrific things in the name of profit and power, but they're swept under the rug, framed out of the picture by the media, not always directly affecting the affluent (though shrinking) middle class, etc. Nobody cares enough to do anything about it...not even necessarily something in a Marxist context, just anything at all. There isn't even a real labor party in the US for example, no real fight for workers...that's the reason why Trump managed to win the US election, he was giving workers something to look forward to, regardless of the fact that he was running for the leadership of an overtly pro-business party. In short, there's no real fire for reform, because life is mediocre for most in the developed world, and mediocre is something people are willing to live with. Ignite said fire, and Marxism can begin looking viable again.

    As for a path to actually instituting it, it's something that i'm researching to understand a lot better before I even say anything about it. I have no answers in that regard. Or at least, only half-formed ideas. Like I mentioned, it's why I'm here to learn.

    Thank you for sharing words with me. I've never attempted to defend what happened after Stalin took control of Russia and I never will. There are a lot of people who will talk about how property became communal or something and that it was something worth defending, but imo it was farcical. I will be the first to admit that Stalinism is a failure.

    But I don't think it's possible for America to be seen as a force for positivity, liberty, or peace right now. It has the most well-funded army in the world, with bases scattered across the globe to keep dibs on American financial interests. It instigates conflict more than it resolves it. There's also a cancerous sort of hatred being bred in every level of american politics, as well as intra-class animosity, which rules out the positivity part. As for liberty? I think it can be defended, I am grateful to live in a place with robust protection of freedom of speech and gun rights. But true Marxism is as much of a proponent of liberty as a democratic republic. Arguably even more, as its ideal form is a government that starts with local democracy first. A bottom up, rather than the top down approach of the federal republic. After all, I think it's safe to say that many of us feel extraordinarily left out from what goes on in Congress.

    I've got stuff to do atm so I can't respond to anything else immediately, but it was a pleasure meeting you all!
     

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