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    Oh yeah, because the third world is exclusively governed by free market constitutional republics rather than despotic oligarchies that deliberately prevent their lowest classes from achieving a higher standard of living.

    I'll give you a break in that you probably are idealistic and want more prosperity around the world and the elimination of poverty, but if you believe that can be achieved through marxist commissars collectivizing the production of society you are going to get destroyed in any forum except leftist echo chambers like Huff Po. You may as well worship Santa Claus.

    You're probably not a bad dude, and I apologize for coming right out of the box recommending a retroactive self abortion. I've just seen too many commie pukes come and go. You should ignore most of what I post because most of what I do is belittle leftists. Engage others that may be able to expand your view and encourage you to think. You will find this forum very valuable in that case because it is an unfiltered and unregulated free flow of ideas. I think it's the best on the internet.

    So in closing, welcome to USMB.

     
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    Not sure how you can claim to be a communist and not a leftist at the same time, but :welcome: all the same.
     
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    Excellent reply!! Facts always 'trump' idealistic Communist/Oligarcy/Dictator regime propaganda for those willing to see them. For instance, in the U.S. we have a 2nd amendment that gives 'We Tho People' the RIGHT to have a standing militia which is: "an organization that operates like an army but whose members are not professional soldiers"....

    And...even with that RIGHT leftist-commies want US to be limited to hunting guns. Per the verbiage in the 2nd amendment (which I just posted) We The People should be able to have automatic weapons, grenades, tanks, etc. The tyrants (mostly Democrats) in America have been successful in propagating and promoting their false premise that law abiding citizens will somehow start killing each other if these armaments are made legal when the TRUTH is that IF these weapons of war were made available to the private sector they would be used as a sledge hammer against radical, leftist dogma that permeates and rots our society today.
     
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    I have heard this reasoning before...'it hasn't been done right'. But it has been done 'right', and the results have been the same. The fatal flaw in Marx's theory - he fails to account for human nature...and fails to identify the cause of human misery. The promises made by communism on paper never materialize in practice. Marx theory in practice will always allow the bullies to take charge - our form of government is designed to keep the bullies at bay.

    Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro - may have formed classless, stateless societies but never could they have been considered humane.

    Marxism attempts to fundamentally transform human nature - a constitutional republic seeks to mitigate the worst of it. Not perfect, no - but you do realize that a global Utopia could exist only with brutal and rigid regulation, unchallengeable dogma...'crushing all that is human from humanity.' (Huxley).

    The failure of Marx theory to relieve human suffering is not in the flawed application, it is the theory itself that is flawed.



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    Ty much. I'm glad there's still a vibrant culture of free speech alive somewhere at least...hopefully I'll be able to remain open-minded as you suggest. I'll be honest when I say I used to scoff at a lot of what the right said. But I've taken the time to watch people like Milo, some stuff from Prager U, even Alex Jones once or twice. Though I don't always agree, I find myself understanding better why the right exists and what it stands for, and even adopting some of their standpoints on certain issues.

    I say it like that because I'm simply not a part of the mainstream left in America. The "left" is now a pitiful excuse to get votes out of minorities and bleeding hearts instead of treating all workers with the respect they deserve, regardless of color or nationality. The American Left is capitalistic and pro-business...making it not really a political left at all, in my opinion...i'd categorize it as more center right. And certainly, their attempts to contain free speech and gun rights is blatantaly authoritarian rather than libertarian. Also, as I mentioned before, there really is no labor party left in existence...even the ones that call themselves labor parties (looking at Jeremy Corbyn's dumbass especially). Interestingly enough the right is what taught me much of this before I ever became a Marxist lol.

    I'm pro-gun rights. Anyone actually on the left I feel shouldn't be afraid of giving the average joe power.

    As for grenades and tanks, seems a bit extreme to me tho lol, would have to think about it somewhat. But at any rate, the "radical leftist dogma" is in my opinion just a veil for the doctrine of globalism. Corporations prefer people to be globalistic because it stabilizes the economy, providing room for more profit to be made. Thus, it's something that's promoted ad nauseum under the guise of everyone needing to love each other. In reality, it's just a way for the corporate elite to maintain their stranglehold on the working class. At least in my opinion...just I believe that in a world where most rational actors are self-serving, the elite would not promote a doctrine without it serving them in some way.

    Perhaps this is contradictory and idealistic, but I've never associated Marxism in the purely ideological form with authoritarianism. It's meant to give the working class power. The little guys at the bottom of the corporate pyramid flipping everything upside down. If anything I think it goes very well with human nature; all rational actors are self-serving as I mentioned, therefore why wouldn't the working class try and gain power from those above them that selfishly abuse it? And wouldn't it be better if power were spread out amongst a large group of people instead of a very small plutocratic elite? That's the foundation of democracy, and why many believe it to be one of humanity's greatest achievements. I just think Marxism is trying to take that aspect of it a step further.

    It'd be stupid of me to say that Communism has worked. But I don't think it's an idea worth giving up on. I dunno, perhaps I'll be able to come up with something during my time learning here and present it. I'm always happy to be critiqued, just helps me iron out the flaws in my thinking.

    Or maybe I'll throw it all out the window, I dunno lol. I've jumped from a lot of different ideologies in the past, it's quite possible I end up being very different after reading and writing here.
     
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    I'm pro-gun rights. Anyone actually on the left I feel shouldn't be afraid of giving the average joe power.

    As for grenades and tanks, seems a bit extreme to me tho lol, would have to think about it somewhat. [/quote]

    A Militia is a non government-military force. Therefore, they are entitled to the same weapons as the government military if they can afford them.

    Corporations go where the most money can be made. That's what they do.

    Correct...but there is nothing wrong with rational actors being free to conduct their businesses for the most profit.
     
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    I would not call Alex "Captain Bullshit" Jones a "right winger".

    He is a total fraud. Maybe not a leftist bed wetter either, but not someone who is promoting Constitutional limits on government. He promotes himself. He agitates malcontents who embarrass those of us who believe in constitutional restraints on federal power, and marginalizes the endeavor by attaching himself to anti-globalist movements and candidates.

    Someone who has spent over a decade ranting about government agents blowing up their own building and creating 9/11 is not an advocate of truth. In his own deposition in a custody suit he had to admit he was a fraud.

    If you believe the welfare of an individual takes priority over that of the state, I doubt you will embrace "marxism" for long. I recommend reading the book "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert Heinlein. I had the same sort of "marxist" beliefs you shared before reading it. I even supported more gun control in those days.

    Of course prattle about civilians stock piling grenades and maintaining tanks is silly, but we absolutely should be empowered with the right to own individual small arms for a variety of reasons. Among them is the capacity to repel criminals and rouge government agents. The purges of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, et al. could not have taken place had the peasantry been armed.

    I can respect your belief the "workers" in the country are being "exploited". I would not call the political powers that maintain the status quo "center right" though. I'd call them fascists. Fascism is NOT "right wing", I don't care what bed wetters say. It's a system of strict centralized government that can dictate wages, limit profits, forbid or FORCE unions, not just make them voluntary and provide a nanny state.

    I don't want to go on a long rant here, because there are moonbats to insult, but I appreciate your willingness to seek the opinions of others and determination think for yourself. You're smarter than you give yourself credit for, and a fucking intellectual juggernaut compared to pieces of shit like these assholes...

    ProgressivePatriot

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    Guys, please remember this is an Intro thread. :)
     
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    Your best teacher in this case may be history. I'd be happy to converse further, but we've been 'gently reminded' that this isn't the place. See ya in politics...or philosophy. :bye1:
     
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    the 2nd amendment is not needed anymore, we have the NG and the cops.
     
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