French Are "Resenting" America's Leadership On Tsunami Relief

[j07950]

I agree...it has been good...as long as we stay away from which country is better, we seem to have some pretty good discussions.

Think so too...

 

[dilloduck]

So if you loose your job you're in deep shit right? It's a lot of responsibility...

Sure is but we try to teach our people to be up to the task----we have faith in their ability to do it ! Our liberals would like us to be dependent on the govt like you are .

 

[CSM]

CSM, be fair :
I don't believe that France is better than USA, who cares ?
but you're always bashing us and France, it can be very irritating, above all when your statements are wrong.

You spend the most part of your time when i'me here to bashing France.
(not only you, of course, and maybe you less than the others, to be fair)

My goal isd not to bashing USA, it would be stupid.
But i would like to make you understand some things about France. You believe wrong things about France, like I believe wrog things about USA. you try to make me involve, then i will be in the truth.
Same aim for me.






Dillo : I don't think that a good health care system give a relieved population...

You are correct PE...I am sure I have some misconceptions about France and I know you have some misconceptions about the US. where we seem to really cross swords (so to speak) is when the debate degenerates into France (or the US) is better because....

I will try to avoid that in the future.

 

[no1tovote4]

Don't really understand what you're saying. But if we cut back health care and get more income then it's the same thing, we'll be paying more for our health care.

The US still has a strong Libertarian (Libertarian not Liberal) streak that runs at the very heart of our society. This inculcates itself in our societal norms all the way from how we apply for work to what kind of healthcare we get. It, as I have said before, gives us incentive to excel and is a never-ending self-argument for higher thought and greater acheivements.

While this is different in other cultures one cannot expect us to have the same type of government run healthcare as a core value when we have begun the trip on a different side of that mountain.

 

[j07950]

Sure is but we try to teach our people to be up to the task----we have faith in their ability to do it ! Our liberals would like us to be dependent on the govt like ou are .

I see what you are saying but I prefer knowing I'll get health treatment even if I loose my job. Being dependent on health care isn't a bad thing I think, as long as you get treated no matter what financial state your government is in, such as in France. It's That much pressure off, especially knowing the world we live in is more and more complex and stressful. I preder not having to think about being able to afford health care.

 

[dilloduck]

I see what you are saying but I prefer knowing I'll get health treatment even if I loose my job. Being dependent on health care isn't a bad thing I think, as long as you get treated no matter what financial state your government is in, such as in France. It's That much pressure off, especially knowing the world we live in is more and more complex and stressful. I preder not having to think about affording health care.

Preferring not to think allows others to think for you . Be careful!

 

[padisha emperor]

where we seem to really cross swords (so to speak) is when the debate degenerates into France (or the US) is better because....

I will try to avoid that in the future.

it would be a good thing if we avoid together it

because it is sur that a thread without kids' fights is far better

 

[j07950]

Preferring not to think allows others to think for you . Be careful!

Oh I know...but don't worry we tend to let the government know when we think something is wrong. We don't have so many trikes in France for nothing...

 

[j07950]

Got to go...See ya all

 

[dilloduck]

it would be a good thing if we avoid together it

because it is sur that a thread without kids' fights is far better

A lot of this antagonism started with what Americans perceived to be the French effort to interfere with our tactics to defend ourselves against terrorism and in general undermine our influence world wide for the benefit of France. Americans in general were shocked at this and got angry. I think we understand where you stand now and will be less prone to expect your help in the future. The less we expect from you the less we will care how you respond when we need help. Sorry we over estimated your concern.

 

[freeandfun1]

"A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent." See thats not true in France. People get the same treatments. And the cost is cheaper, even if you pay for mutuels...

Bullshit. A multi-millionaire in France is most likely going to go to the USA to get the best treatment if he is really sick. Is the average Joe in France going to be able to do the same? No.

 

[j07950]

Bullshit. A multi-millionaire in France is most likely going to go to the USA to get the best treatment if he is really sick. Is the average Joe in France going to be able to do the same? No.

Are you trying to pick a fight? Read far back...I wasn't the one that said this: "A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent." It's another one of you...
And again thats an opinion and a proof that you're trying again to say the US is the best...I thought we'd stopped making that sort of statement?

 

[Said1]

"A multimillionaire is going to be able to afford some better care than I can, and I better care than the indigent."

Free wasn't refering to no1's comments, he was replying to yours:

See thats not true in France. People get the same treatments. And the cost is cheaper, even if you pay for mutuels...

 

[Merlin1047]

After reading through this whole thing I come away with a few general impressions.

1. The specifics of any given situation aside, it is patently ridiculous to be lectured on our "responsibility" by citizens of a nation whose government is as corrupt and evil as the government of that vile scum Chirac.

The french have been content to allow Saddam to murder and torture hundreds of thousands, invade neighboring countries and commit ecologic terrorism. They have never so much as offered a "Sacre bleu" in protest. The french blissfully ignored the atrocities being perpetrated in Iraq for two truly disgusting reasons. One, they were busy making money helping to defraud the oil for food program and selling arms to Saddam. Two, their jealous and spiteful hatred of the US compelled them to oppose anything we are doing.

So until the french clean up their own government, they are in no position to be critical of any other nation, much less to start getting self-righteous and lecture the people of the United States on "resposibility".

2. In regard to french social programs, our two french posters repeatedly make statements that the money to pay for health care and other programs are paid out by various state agencies. Apparently the french government tends an orchard of money trees. Here in the USA, the source of the money being so generously spent by the government is the pockets of the taxpayer. Perhaps that's different in france. Perhaps the french government has other sources of income such as the oil for food program.

3. Both french posters are typical of the attitude of communists / socialists. If you read through their posts, they hold the government responsible for taking care of their needs. It never occurs to them that they have the responsibility for managing their own lives. The government is their nanny and they cheerfully lie down with their heads in the government's lap.

Want to look at the future of America if the left comes to power? Look no further than these two.

4. I cannot believe that anyone in this country would believe that the Apollo moon program was faked. I had heard that there were people like that out there, but I was never confronted with it first hand. Do you people have ANY idea of the MASSIVE scale of such a fraud? Tens of thousands of people would have to be in on the lie. Just how long do you think that would work? I can understand the french attitude - they view themselves as the real master race and they believe that if they could not do it, then no one can. But for an American to take such an attitude is incomprehensible to me.

5. As far as the basic subject of this thread - you can bet your aunt Gertie's last dollar that Chirac and his cronies are plotting some way to undermine our relief efforts. That is apparently the french way as their economy crumbles and their nation sinks ever deeper into irrelevancy. It seems to me that the only contribution of which the french are capable these days is to criticize the efforts of others. France today is a country with a national Napoleonic complex.

 

[NATO AIR]

5. As far as the basic subject of this thread - you can bet your aunt Gertie's last dollar that Chirac and his cronies are plotting some way to undermine our relief efforts. That is apparently the french way as their economy crumbles and their nation sinks ever deeper into irrelevancy. It seems to me that the only contribution of which the french are capable these days is to criticize the efforts of others. France today is a country with a national Napoleonic complex.

They're already trying to undermine us through the UN... trying to embarass and blackmail the US into bowing before the incompetent UN and letting it run the show. fuck that. with lives on the line and people in need, America will not let that happen. maybe with clinton in charge the french backed UN could have pulled this, but not anymore.

http://www.diplomadic.blogspot.com/
The post below reports on the impending arrival of Ms. Margareeta Wahlstrom "United Nations Deputy Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Secretary-General's Special Coordinator for Humanitarian Assistance in Tsunami-affected countries."

She has spoken! At a large meeting this afternoon, she and the local UN rep, Mr. Bo "Please Wear Blue" Asplund have announced the arrival of yet another "United Nations Joint Assessment Team." But this one is very, very ultra- special. According to the UNocrats, it's not "just another assessment team." Oh, no, banish that thought! You see, "This assessment team will coordinate all the other assessment teams." In addition, the UN will set up a "Civil-Military Coordination Office to coordinate [that word! that word!] all military assistance because the military do not have experience in disaster relief (!)"

Let the mockery begin . . . .

 

[Merlin1047]

They're already trying to undermine us through the UN... trying to embarass and blackmail the US into bowing before the incompetent UN and letting it run the show. fuck that. with lives on the line and people in need, America will not let that happen. maybe with clinton in charge the french backed UN could have pulled this, but not anymore.

Amen.

But I think I've figured out one of the reasons the UN can't get anything done. The UN has deteriorated into a pack of posturing children playing at governing the world - with OUR money. Their pompous self-congratulatory attitude is puzzling given their abjectly ineffective efforts.

And another reason they never get anything done is more mundane. They sent "Ms. Margareeta Wahlstrom "United Nations Deputy Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Secretary-General's Special Coordinator for Humanitarian Assistance in Tsunami-affected countries". Good God!!!!! With a title like that she needs a twenty foot long desk just to hold the nameplate.

 

[j07950]

After reading through this whole thing I come away with a few general impressions.

1. The specifics of any given situation aside, it is patently ridiculous to be lectured on our "responsibility" by citizens of a nation whose government is as corrupt and evil as the government of that vile scum Chirac.

The french have been content to allow Saddam to murder and torture hundreds of thousands, invade neighboring countries and commit ecologic terrorism. They have never so much as offered a "Sacre bleu" in protest. The french blissfully ignored the atrocities being perpetrated in Iraq for two truly disgusting reasons. One, they were busy making money helping to defraud the oil for food program and selling arms to Saddam. Two, their jealous and spiteful hatred of the US compelled them to oppose anything we are doing.

So until the french clean up their own government, they are in no position to be critical of any other nation, much less to start getting self-righteous and lecture the people of the United States on "resposibility".

2. In regard to french social programs, our two french posters repeatedly make statements that the money to pay for health care and other programs are paid out by various state agencies. Apparently the french government tends an orchard of money trees. Here in the USA, the source of the money being so generously spent by the government is the pockets of the taxpayer. Perhaps that's different in france. Perhaps the french government has other sources of income such as the oil for food program.

3. Both french posters are typical of the attitude of communists / socialists. If you read through their posts, they hold the government responsible for taking care of their needs. It never occurs to them that they have the responsibility for managing their own lives. The government is their nanny and they cheefully lie down with their heads in the government's lap.

Want to look at the future of America if the left comes to power? Look no further than these two.

4. I cannot believe that anyone in this country would believe that the Apollo moon program was faked. I had heard that there were people like that out there, but I was never confronted with it first hand. Do you people have ANY idea of the MASSIVE scale of such a fraud? Tens of thousands of people would have to be in on the lie. Just how long do you think that would work? I can understand the french attitude - they view themselves as the real master race and they believe that if they could not do it, then no one can. But for an American to take such an attitude is incomprehensible to me.

5. As far as the basic subject of this thread - you can bet your aunt Gertie's last dollar that Chirac and his cronies are plotting some way to undermine our relief efforts. That is apparently the french way as their economy crumbles and their nation sinks ever deeper into irrelevancy. It seems to me that the only contribution of which the french are capable these days is to criticize the efforts of others. France today is a country with a national Napoleonic complex.

See while we'd made some progress as we went along you just come back and bring out the same old stuff that has been talked about over and over. If France is so weak and all than why do you even bother writting about it, what use is it to people to know about it?
Stuff you acuse our government of doing can be said about your govenment (in different ways and different areas) as well, and a lot of other governments, stop concentrating on France and talk about other countries as well as, that will be interesting, unless you're only aware of France because all you're interested in doing is bashing it. It's easy to come after everything has been said and done and give your judgement...Give us a break.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

See while we'd made some progress as we went along you just come back and bring out the same old stuff that has been talked about over and over. If France is so weak and all than why do you even bother writting about it, what use is it to people to know about it?
Stuff you acuse our government of doing can be said about your govenment (in different ways and different areas) as well, and a lot of other governments, stop concentrating on France and talk about other countries as well as, that will be interesting, unless you're only aware of France because all you're interested in doing is bashing it. It's easy to come after everything has been said and done and give your judgement...Give us a break.

France is the most dishonest about it. They lie straight to our faces and talk shit behind our backs. Let's just drop all this "ally" talk. France is no ally. Your nation better think long and hard about whether it wants to continue down this illogical anti american path.

 

[Merlin1047]

See while we'd made some progress as we went along you just come back and bring out the same old stuff that has been talked about over and over.

Because it's true. I know you would love to ignore the actions of your government, but the fact remains that french corruption and callous profiteering were directly attributable to the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis. I know you'd love to be able to forget about that little detail, but I'm going to rub your face in that every chance I get.

If France is so weak and all than why do you even bother writting about it, what use is it to people to know about it?

Because you are pretenders. You posture, pose and strut as if anything your government said or did actually mattered. You point accusing fingers at the US every chance you get. You spout about being a friend of the US when the fact is that your government is probably our worst enemy.

Stuff you acuse our government of doing can be said about your govenment

That's a damn lie. We have NEVER sold arms to an enemy of one of our allies while they were engaged in a conflict. We have NEVER attempted to subvert the effort of an ally's military. We have NEVER aided an ally's enemy with arms and money thereby placing the lives of their military in even greater danger. France has done all of these things. You deserve the status of leper among nations.

stop concentrating on France and talk about other countries

Why? I don't know of any other government more worthy of villification than your's. Your whining will not change the facts that your government is run by dishonest and dishonorable men.

It's easy to come after everything has been said and done and give your judgement...Give us a break.

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[Said1]

Because it's true. I know you would love to ignore the actions of your government, but the fact remains that french corruption and callous profiteering were directly attributable to the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis. I know you'd love to be able to forget about that little detail, but I'm going to rub your face in that every chance I get.



Because you are pretenders. You posture, pose and strut as if anything your government said or did actually mattered. You point accusing fingers at the US every chance you get. You spout about being a friend of the US when the fact is that your government is probably our worst enemy.



That's a damn lie. We have NEVER sold arms to an enemy of one of our allies while they were engaged in a conflict. We have NEVER attempted to subvert the effort of an ally's military. We have NEVER aided an ally's enemy with arms and money thereby placing the lives of their military in even greater danger. France has done all of these things. You deserve the status of leper among nations.



Why? I don't know of any other government more worthy of villification than your's. Your whining will not change the facts that your government is run by dishonest and dishonorable men.



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Wow Merlin, talk about right in the kisser....POW ZOOM!!