Free will? or god's will?

No, Satan doesn't care what we believe, as long as it's not submission to God

And why would this "Satan" care? What, are the two of them in some kind of football pool? They have a bet going on?

Because he resents God.

"He" does huh?

That brings up the same question about "Satan" it does about "God", that being....

How does "Satan" get to be a "he"? Who's the female Satan that makes "hiim" male?
Do they make little Satanettes?
Who did Mrs. Satan have to compete with? How did they meet?
Who performed their wedding?
Did the bride wear black?

:eusa_think:


He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........

Hey, I'm not the one declaring the existence of entities I can't prove... :eusa_whistle:
I always thought they'd be naked....
 
No, Satan doesn't care what we believe, as long as it's not submission to God

And why would this "Satan" care? What, are the two of them in some kind of football pool? They have a bet going on?

Because he resents God.
He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
 
No, Satan doesn't care what we believe, as long as it's not submission to God

And why would this "Satan" care? What, are the two of them in some kind of football pool? They have a bet going on?

Because he resents God.
He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
Sure, then you'd want to fly over and pull a MeBelle....
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
 
No, Satan doesn't care what we believe, as long as it's not submission to God

And why would this "Satan" care? What, are the two of them in some kind of football pool? They have a bet going on?

Because he resents God.
He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
Sure, then you'd want to fly over and pull a MeBelle....

From a phone call? Wow.... I think not........ ;)
 
Family Of Toddler Shot Dead By 5-Year-Old Brother: ‘It Was God’s Will’

by Steven Bernstein • August 25, 2015


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Besides the tragedy that guns can bring, there is no deadlier combination for moral and legal responsibility than guns and God. Just ask the family of Caroline Sparks, a two-year-old toddler who was shot with a .22 rifle by her brother- who was five years old, and received the gun as a birthday gift.


What is most difficult to comprehend is the family’s response. Little Caroline was described by her family in the video as a “church-going girl who enjoyed singing and playing outdoors,” as if she understood and chose to accept Divine Revelation at 2 – and go to church.


Acknowledging the tragedy, Caroline’s uncle said “It’s just tragic…It’s something that you can’t prepare for, as if you should ever have to. The family believes that Caroline is in a “better place.”

The grandmother said It was God’s will. It was her time to go, I guess…I just know she’s in heaven right now and I know she’s in good hands with the Lord.”


I'm putting this in Religion in hopes that it won't be a discussion about giving children access to guns.

Every once in a while, I think to try again to actually discuss religious beliefs. I'm fascinated by the concept of "sin" but even more by the teeter-totter belief in "god's will". I say "teeter-totter" because it seems to me it is often invoked when people can't or won't take responsibility for their own decisions - "free will" and instead, blame their god.

There's a documentary showing on HBO about fundies disagreement with Darwin - a subject for a different thread. It shows a very tragic case of a young teenage girl who had suffered a spinal cord injury in a car accident and will be forever paralyzed.

She and her parents believe the doctors are wrong, they pray constantly and the mother expressed her disappointment that god is choosing to ignore her asking for her daughter to walk again. (This also reminds me of those who believe in faith healers, don't seek medical care and believe the bad outcome means someone didn't believe hard enough) Then she said that her faith gives her great comfort and said she could not imagine how non-believers could bear such a tragedy.

Where does the responsibility lie? Isn't god all knowing, all seeing? If so, he made these tragedies happen by directing an adult to give a baby a gun and by making a truck hit the car the girl was driving. (Or was it the doing of satan")

If the tragedies are caused by free will, if the adult and the car/truck drivers made the decisions then why bother bring a god into it? And why pray to a god to change the outcome of the people's actions?

Needless to say, my own opinion is that the people involved are directly responsible and that god is a human construct borne of an inability to understand and accept the world as it really is.

Anyone?

Your question itself reveals a significant ignorance. I would strongly suggest you do some serious study before you embarrass yourself like this again.
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...
 
And why would this "Satan" care? What, are the two of them in some kind of football pool? They have a bet going on?

Because he resents God.
He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
Sure, then you'd want to fly over and pull a MeBelle....

From a phone call? Wow.... I think not........ ;)
Come on!! You know you want me..
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Because he resents God.
He thinks he knows better.. just like you do.........
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
Sure, then you'd want to fly over and pull a MeBelle....

From a phone call? Wow.... I think not........ ;)
Come on!! You know you want me..
10ee493bb0782ad4984ce9636ce79821.jpg

.... there are no words ....
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...

Living a Godly life and living FOR God... different things....
 
God supposedly destroyed the humans on the Earth because they were evil, yet lets Satan live, makes no sense....

What's your phone #, we need to talk.........
Sure, then you'd want to fly over and pull a MeBelle....

From a phone call? Wow.... I think not........ ;)
Come on!! You know you want me..
10ee493bb0782ad4984ce9636ce79821.jpg

.... there are no words ....
Ahhh, yea-yah...
I have that affect on people, even in person....
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...

Living a Godly life and living FOR God... different things....
Well I know that Jesus is not God so we vary on interpretation of who really is God.....
 
If God commands us to not to worship other Gods, create graven images, not take his name in vain, to remember the Sabbath day, to honor our father and mother, not to kill, not to steal, not to commit adultery, not to bear false witness, and not to covet other peoples partners and possessions and yet we are still going against these commands, I would say that is a solid testimony that we have free will. God does not force us to obey him. He gives us free will and commands us to obey if we want his blessings.

Satan is a being who, in the pre-mortal existence, presented a plan to rule by force. It was rejected by God. Satan rebelled and was cast into the earth along with his followers. They were denied the opportunity to receive bodies. They exist only as spirits. Those of us who have bodies in this life were valiant followers of the Father and his son Jesus Christ. However, after coming to this life and having a veil placed over our minds, many of us on earth have moved over to the other side being deceived and not truly knowing who they once were.
 
The toddler's grandmother does appear to be deflecting a lapse in parenting with the "God's will" statement. But then I think a lot of people would do the same when it comes to such an unfortunate accident. It's easier to believe and accept some outside factor (not necessarily a deity either) is the cause of something that was simple to prevent.
The paralyzed girl's family still has hope that their god will make her walk again. There is nothing wrong with that unless they are not preparing her for anything else. To completely ignore what her doctors are saying does her a disservice.
 
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Oh....... I thought she died... I really need to read these stories before I answer ... LOL!
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...

Living a Godly life and living FOR God... different things....
Well I know that Jesus is not God so we vary on interpretation of who really is God.....

You can't know something that is not true.
A perfect sacrifice had to be made for our sins.
There is none perfect but God.
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...

Living a Godly life and living FOR God... different things....
Well I know that Jesus is not God so we vary on interpretation of who really is God.....

You can't know something that is not true.
A perfect sacrifice had to be made for our sins.
There is none perfect but God.
Which God, his Dad or Jesus?
 
It's easier to live life living for yourself than for God.
But since you haven't tried it, you don't know, so, try not to speak of things you have never experienced.....
honey, I lived the so called Godly life for 21 years until I decided it was illogical and untrue...My Grandmother was a theologian and music director for our families church, and ran her baptist book store, what do you think I got for presents? Books...

Living a Godly life and living FOR God... different things....
Well I know that Jesus is not God so we vary on interpretation of who really is God.....

You can't know something that is not true.
A perfect sacrifice had to be made for our sins.
There is none perfect but God.
Which God, his Dad or Jesus?

Who died for our sins?
 

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