Free speech just got trampled, again

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    I hope they appeal this because they will win, especially in CA and the 9th.

    Muslim Students Found Guilty of Disrupting Speech - Law Blog - WSJ

    Funny how the prosecutor thinks censorship is wrong, unless he is doing it.
     
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    If you're shouting down a Jew, you'll be prosecuted.

    If you're shouting down a white nationalist, nobody will notice.

    Free speech indeed. Free speech for the JEWS. Everyone else better keep their mouth shut.
     
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    Good. Orchestrated attempt to silence the Ambassador should be a crime.
     
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    He hired the hall and tried to shut him up. Freedom of speech does not mean the right to gag someone else.
     
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    Prosecutors had claimed that the men had acted as censors and interfered with Oren’s freedom of speech.

    Salahi has contended that the men, who were college students at the time, never intended to halt Oren’s speech entirely but wanted to express their views on the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza, AP reports

    Muslim Students Found Guilty of Disrupting Speech - Law Blog - WSJ
    It was a Planned Event. All Politics aside, this is wrong.
    They did not have a Right to Disrupt. They should have taken it Elsewhere or outside.
     
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    Apparently this depends on who's reporting as to what is known about what happened, as with most anything else.
     
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    Anybody know what the actual criminal charge was?

    All it says in the article is "convicted of criminal charges for shouting".

    I'm ok with showing them the door, but criminal charges, really? :eusa_eh:
     
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    theres a lot of questions I have the article doesn't cover- were the students asked to stop, did they stop, was their any threats etc.?
     
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    This is a case where both sides have competing speech rights. Since the speech was on private property, the protesters probably don't have much of a first amendment case. They also don't have a huge motivation to appeal-- the AP story cited in the WSJ blogpost said they were sentenced to probation and 56 hours of community service. Unless they think there's some precedent they could establish, that's probably not worth litigating.

    I should say I have no problem with peaceful civil disobedience as a tactic, but it can result in criminal charges and is not always Constitutionally protected.
     
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    The charges were ‘conspiracy to disturb a meeting’ and ‘disturbing a meeting,’ both misdemeanors.

    Any appeal would be for the criminal convictions alone; a claim of free speech preemption would be a separate civil matter.

    The courts have followed a ‘captive audience’ doctrine for a little over the last 20 years, where it’s unreasonable to expect those subject to objectionable speech avoid such speech:

    Given the circumstances it wold seem the free speech exemption applies.

    The politics of the case are another matter altogether.
     
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