Franklin Graham: Obama is a Muslim!

[California Girl]

According to a Muslim friend of mine, he is technically accurate... However, personally, I think Barak is no more a Muslim than he is a Christian... he worships at the alter of his own ego.

However, I fail to see how the view of the son somehow make the father any less of a great man. But then, the OP is not noted for his towering intellect - or even a tad of common sense.

 

[boedicca]

I don't care one way or another if Obama is a Muslim by birth or choice.

His Real Religion is Socialism. That's what what should concern Americans.

 

[California Girl]

I don't care one way or another if Obama is a Muslim by birth or choice.

His Real Religion is Socialism. That's what what should concern Americans.

Yep.

The 'religion' thing is just a stick for the left and right to beat each other with.... much like his skin color.... Most Americans don't give a crap - but the minority who do (on both sides) need their 'whining issues' to play with.

All very dull.

 

[Bfgrn]

Was that before or after he God Damned America?

I hope you have listened to that sermon in context before you condemn him.

I listened to it. The context Fox News put it in, was not the context it was presented in. I can't remember exactly the context that the Rev. Wright had put it in well enough to recite it here without going back and listening to it again, but he was not saying, "God Damn America" as in cursing America, that much I remember.

Immie

"Not God Bless America, But God Damn America"
Pretty hard to spin that statement.

Not really, but you do need an adult brain to comprehend what he's saying and you need to listen to his whole sermon. Reverend Wright was 'sermonizing' using a form similar to poetry. It's called rhetorical flourishes. Reverend Wright was not condemning the people, he was condemning our government. But sermonizing "No, no, no; not God Bless America, But God Damn the actions of American government" wouldn't carry the same rhetorical impact.

It is SO ironic, when you right wing pea brains criticize government you call it 'patriotism'. When someone you consider a 'leftist' criticize government you call it treasonous.

Why don't you just declare you're a devout Statist and that our government never does anything wrong?

What is beyond irony, is that you right wing pea brains ONLY criticize government when it tries to help human beings, but there is never a fucking peep from you scum bags when our government harms or kills human beings. WHY is that???

 

[bodecea]

Rev. Billy Graham's son, Franklin was on John King last night spewing his bullshit. According to Mr. Graham, Obama is a Muslim because Obama's father was a Muslim.

Interestingly enough...........Obama's father rejected Islam before Obama was born.

Check out the article: Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim.' As Pew Poll Shows, More Americans Confused About President's Religion. - ABC News

You know, I used to have a great deal of respect for Mr. Billy Graham. Apparently his son has gone full blown nutbag.

I thought being Muslim was a good thing to you all. Now, when someone calls Obama a Muslim you get all cranky.

After all, Obama went to a Muslim only school and even admitted that he was a Muslim. In his own words, "my Muslim faith."

Where did you get that impression?

 

[Bfgrn]

Rev. Billy Graham's son, Franklin was on John King last night spewing his bullshit. According to Mr. Graham, Obama is a Muslim because Obama's father was a Muslim.

Interestingly enough...........Obama's father rejected Islam before Obama was born.

Check out the article: Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim.' As Pew Poll Shows, More Americans Confused About President's Religion. - ABC News

You know, I used to have a great deal of respect for Mr. Billy Graham. Apparently his son has gone full blown nutbag.

I thought being Muslim was a good thing to you all. Now, when someone calls Obama a Muslim you get all cranky.

After all, Obama went to a Muslim only school and even admitted that he was a Muslim. In his own words, "my Muslim faith."

Where did you get that impression?

Check THIS out, it is hilarious!

Secret Muslim? A look into Obama's past.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I hope you have listened to that sermon in context before you condemn him.

I listened to it. The context Fox News put it in, was not the context it was presented in. I can't remember exactly the context that the Rev. Wright had put it in well enough to recite it here without going back and listening to it again, but he was not saying, "God Damn America" as in cursing America, that much I remember.

Immie

"Not God Bless America, But God Damn America"
Pretty hard to spin that statement.

Not really, but you do need an adult brain to comprehend what he's saying and you need to listen to his whole sermon. Reverend Wright was 'sermonizing' using a form similar to poetry. It's called rhetorical flourishes. Reverend Wright was not condemning the people, he was condemning our government. But sermonizing "No, no, no; not God Bless America, But God Damn the actions of American government" wouldn't carry the same rhetorical impact.

It is SO ironic, when you right wing pea brains criticize government you call it 'patriotism'. When someone you consider a 'leftist' criticize government you call it treasonous.

Why don't you just declare you're a devout Statist and that our government never does anything wrong?

What is beyond irony, is that you right wing pea brains ONLY criticize government when it tries to help human beings, but there is never a fucking peep from you scum bags when our government harms or kills human beings. WHY is that???

I happen to know that our government is not always right. I also know and understand that the left and the right have both been wrong in the past. What I do not know and cannot understand is why any American is still making excuses for this racist bastard. You go ahead and continue to spin it anyway you like, anyone with half a brain knows the truth of the matter. Would you like to borrow half a brain?

 

[Bfgrn]

"Not God Bless America, But God Damn America"
Pretty hard to spin that statement.

Not really, but you do need an adult brain to comprehend what he's saying and you need to listen to his whole sermon. Reverend Wright was 'sermonizing' using a form similar to poetry. It's called rhetorical flourishes. Reverend Wright was not condemning the people, he was condemning our government. But sermonizing "No, no, no; not God Bless America, But God Damn the actions of American government" wouldn't carry the same rhetorical impact.

It is SO ironic, when you right wing pea brains criticize government you call it 'patriotism'. When someone you consider a 'leftist' criticize government you call it treasonous.

Why don't you just declare you're a devout Statist and that our government never does anything wrong?

What is beyond irony, is that you right wing pea brains ONLY criticize government when it tries to help human beings, but there is never a fucking peep from you scum bags when our government harms or kills human beings. WHY is that???

I happen to know that our government is not always right. I also know and understand that the left and the right have both been wrong in the past. What I do not know and cannot understand is why any American is still making excuses for this racist bastard. You go ahead and continue to spin it anyway you like, anyone with half a brain knows the truth of the matter. Would you like to borrow half a brain?

A pea brain reply. You base your hatred for Wright on PURPOSEFUL deception done by people with NO ethics or honesty. There was NO effort by Fox News or any other right wing media to provide ANY context to his remarks. They PURPOSEFULLY ran cut up snippets taken out of context with the SOLE purpose of slandering Wright and Obama.

THAT is not how America is supposed to work. NO MAN should be convicted without being able to state his own case. People that have listened to his WHOLE sermon after 9/11 have a totally different impression of Reverend Wright. Maybe if every American had been given Wright's sermon after 9/11, it would have made us think before we blindly called for Muslim blood. Instead WE invaded a sovereign country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. Thousands MORE American sons & daughters needlessly died, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis died.

Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ]YouTube - FOX Lies!! Irresponsible Media! Barack Obama Pastor Wright[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Just so. Ollie is wrong on this one.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Not really, but you do need an adult brain to comprehend what he's saying and you need to listen to his whole sermon. Reverend Wright was 'sermonizing' using a form similar to poetry. It's called rhetorical flourishes. Reverend Wright was not condemning the people, he was condemning our government. But sermonizing "No, no, no; not God Bless America, But God Damn the actions of American government" wouldn't carry the same rhetorical impact.

It is SO ironic, when you right wing pea brains criticize government you call it 'patriotism'. When someone you consider a 'leftist' criticize government you call it treasonous.

Why don't you just declare you're a devout Statist and that our government never does anything wrong?

What is beyond irony, is that you right wing pea brains ONLY criticize government when it tries to help human beings, but there is never a fucking peep from you scum bags when our government harms or kills human beings. WHY is that???

I happen to know that our government is not always right. I also know and understand that the left and the right have both been wrong in the past. What I do not know and cannot understand is why any American is still making excuses for this racist bastard. You go ahead and continue to spin it anyway you like, anyone with half a brain knows the truth of the matter. Would you like to borrow half a brain?

A pea brain reply. You base your hatred for Wright on PURPOSEFUL deception done by people with NO ethics or honesty. There was NO effort by Fox News or any other right wing media to provide ANY context to his remarks. They PURPOSEFULLY ran cut up snippets taken out of context with the SOLE purpose of slandering Wright and Obama.

THAT is not how America is supposed to work. NO MAN should be convicted without being able to state his own case. People that have listened to his WHOLE sermon after 9/11 have a totally different impression of Reverend Wright. Maybe if every American had been given Wright's sermon after 9/11, it would have made us think before we blindly called for Muslim blood. Instead WE invaded a sovereign country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. Thousands MORE American sons & daughters needlessly died, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis died.

Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ]YouTube - FOX Lies!! Irresponsible Media! Barack Obama Pastor Wright[/ame]

So you agree with the Racist American Damning Reverend that We are to blame for the attacks on 9-11? OK, you're allowed. What was that video supposed to prove again? Because that is what I got out of it, that and the fact that as expected he had to talk about race. No reason for it, I guess he needed to use up some time............

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ollie, you are still wrong.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Ollie, you are still wrong.

I listened to him, I stated my opinion. I've been wrong in my life, but on this, I don't think so. But you go ahead and keep making the excuses. After all, we still need entertainment.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, Ollie. Whatever.

 

[Bfgrn]

I happen to know that our government is not always right. I also know and understand that the left and the right have both been wrong in the past. What I do not know and cannot understand is why any American is still making excuses for this racist bastard. You go ahead and continue to spin it anyway you like, anyone with half a brain knows the truth of the matter. Would you like to borrow half a brain?

A pea brain reply. You base your hatred for Wright on PURPOSEFUL deception done by people with NO ethics or honesty. There was NO effort by Fox News or any other right wing media to provide ANY context to his remarks. They PURPOSEFULLY ran cut up snippets taken out of context with the SOLE purpose of slandering Wright and Obama.

THAT is not how America is supposed to work. NO MAN should be convicted without being able to state his own case. People that have listened to his WHOLE sermon after 9/11 have a totally different impression of Reverend Wright. Maybe if every American had been given Wright's sermon after 9/11, it would have made us think before we blindly called for Muslim blood. Instead WE invaded a sovereign country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. Thousands MORE American sons & daughters needlessly died, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis died.

Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ]YouTube - FOX Lies!! Irresponsible Media! Barack Obama Pastor Wright[/ame]

So you agree with the Racist American Damning Reverend that We are to blame for the attacks on 9-11? OK, you're allowed. What was that video supposed to prove again? Because that is what I got out of it, that and the fact that as expected he had to talk about race. No reason for it, I guess he needed to use up some time............

WOW...you really ARE a pea brain. THAT is all you got out of Wright's words? Nothing sunk in about his warning: "We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process." ?

Yes, I DO believe we were attacked because of what we've done in the rest of the world. It is called 'blowback'. Reverend Wright was just repeating what he heard Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force say on FOX News.

It is what Ron Paul courageously said in a presidential debate to the chagrin of the ignorant Rudy Giuliani.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0]YouTube - Terrorism: Ron Paul vs. Giuliani @ SC Debate[/ame]

And it is what bin Laden said in his messages.

 

[SFC Ollie]

A pea brain reply. You base your hatred for Wright on PURPOSEFUL deception done by people with NO ethics or honesty. There was NO effort by Fox News or any other right wing media to provide ANY context to his remarks. They PURPOSEFULLY ran cut up snippets taken out of context with the SOLE purpose of slandering Wright and Obama.

THAT is not how America is supposed to work. NO MAN should be convicted without being able to state his own case. People that have listened to his WHOLE sermon after 9/11 have a totally different impression of Reverend Wright. Maybe if every American had been given Wright's sermon after 9/11, it would have made us think before we blindly called for Muslim blood. Instead WE invaded a sovereign country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11. Thousands MORE American sons & daughters needlessly died, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis died.

Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush

YouTube - FOX Lies!! Irresponsible Media! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

So you agree with the Racist American Damning Reverend that We are to blame for the attacks on 9-11? OK, you're allowed. What was that video supposed to prove again? Because that is what I got out of it, that and the fact that as expected he had to talk about race. No reason for it, I guess he needed to use up some time............

WOW...you really ARE a pea brain. THAT is all you got out of Wright's words? Nothing sunk in about his warning: "We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process." ?

Yes, I DO believe we were attacked because of what we've done in the rest of the world. It is called 'blowback'. Reverend Wright was just repeating what he heard Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force say on FOX News.

It is what Ron Paul courageously said in a presidential debate to the chagrin of the ignorant Rudy Giuliani.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0]YouTube - Terrorism: Ron Paul vs. Giuliani @ SC Debate[/ame]

And it is what bin Laden said in his messages.

And I believe that we went into Iraq initially because we were asked to by several of Iraqs neighbors. Or do we forget why we originally went into Iraq? I don't forget, i was still on active duty, setting up security patrols in our housing areas in Germany to protect our military families. Why DID we originally sent any troops into the middle east? Only because we were asked for help. And for this we are wrong and you accept that we deserved and asked to be attacked on 9-11-01? Fuck you and your peabrain bull shit.

 

[Bfgrn]

So you agree with the Racist American Damning Reverend that We are to blame for the attacks on 9-11? OK, you're allowed. What was that video supposed to prove again? Because that is what I got out of it, that and the fact that as expected he had to talk about race. No reason for it, I guess he needed to use up some time............

WOW...you really ARE a pea brain. THAT is all you got out of Wright's words? Nothing sunk in about his warning: "We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process." ?

Yes, I DO believe we were attacked because of what we've done in the rest of the world. It is called 'blowback'. Reverend Wright was just repeating what he heard Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force say on FOX News.

It is what Ron Paul courageously said in a presidential debate to the chagrin of the ignorant Rudy Giuliani.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0]YouTube - Terrorism: Ron Paul vs. Giuliani @ SC Debate[/ame]

And it is what bin Laden said in his messages.

And I believe that we went into Iraq initially because we were asked to by several of Iraqs neighbors. Or do we forget why we originally went into Iraq? I don't forget, i was still on active duty, setting up security patrols in our housing areas in Germany to protect our military families. Why DID we originally sent any troops into the middle east? Only because we were asked for help. And for this we are wrong and you accept that we deserved and asked to be attacked on 9-11-01? Fuck you and your peabrain bull shit.

WOW..what a childish belief. WHAT neighbors Ollie? Iraq under Saddam Hussein was an effective counter force that buffered Iran.

I guess you forgot THIS...

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

 

[HUGGY]

Was that before or after he God Damned America?

I hope you have listened to that sermon in context before you condemn him.

I listened to it. The context Fox News put it in, was not the context it was presented in. I can't remember exactly the context that the Rev. Wright had put it in well enough to recite it here without going back and listening to it again, but he was not saying, "God Damn America" as in cursing America, that much I remember.

Immie

"Not God Bless America, But God Damn America"
Pretty hard to spin that statement.

Since there is no "god" the statement is nonsense and doesn't mean anything.

 

[SFC Ollie]

WOW...you really ARE a pea brain. THAT is all you got out of Wright's words? Nothing sunk in about his warning: "We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process." ?

Yes, I DO believe we were attacked because of what we've done in the rest of the world. It is called 'blowback'. Reverend Wright was just repeating what he heard Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force say on FOX News.

It is what Ron Paul courageously said in a presidential debate to the chagrin of the ignorant Rudy Giuliani.

YouTube - Terrorism: Ron Paul vs. Giuliani @ SC Debate

And it is what bin Laden said in his messages.

And I believe that we went into Iraq initially because we were asked to by several of Iraqs neighbors. Or do we forget why we originally went into Iraq? I don't forget, i was still on active duty, setting up security patrols in our housing areas in Germany to protect our military families. Why DID we originally sent any troops into the middle east? Only because we were asked for help. And for this we are wrong and you accept that we deserved and asked to be attacked on 9-11-01? Fuck you and your peabrain bull shit.

WOW..what a childish belief. WHAT neighbors Ollie? Iraq under Saddam Hussein was an effective counter force that buffered Iran.

I guess you forgot THIS...

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

How fucking stupid are you? What neighbors? How about the ones that Saddam had attacked and threatened to attack. Yes we were on friendly terms with Saddam at one time. Shit changed though didn't it. Childish belief? I was there dickweed. Up close and personal. Not a damned thing childish about it. Do me a favor, don't respond, you are not worth the time.

 

[Dr Grump]

Was that before or after he God Damned America?

I hope you have listened to that sermon in context before you condemn him.

I listened to it. The context Fox News put it in, was not the context it was presented in. I can't remember exactly the context that the Rev. Wright had put it in well enough to recite it here without going back and listening to it again, but he was not saying, "God Damn America" as in cursing America, that much I remember.

Immie

I see, that makes all the difference...

Absolutely it does. Does somebody have to have a flag wrapped around their body to be a patriot? Is somebody not allowed to criticise America, and if they do they are anti/un American?

 

[Dr Grump]

How fucking stupid are you? What neighbors? How about the ones that Saddam had attacked and threatened to attack. Yes we were on friendly terms with Saddam at one time. Shit changed though didn't it. Childish belief? I was there dickweed. Up close and personal. Not a damned thing childish about it. Do me a favor, don't respond, you are not worth the time.

You went in there to protect the oil. If Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were just backward arse shitholes with no natural resources, what are the odds that the US would have gone in there?