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France: Terror Attack
- Thread starter Vikrant
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I can hear / imagine the chatter going on in some of those 750 French ' no go zones' !!
Yes...just imagine what it is.
France has been warned many times, but it's refused to listen.
Looking at the vile tripe the magazine churns out, doesn't surprise me one iota that it's been firebombed and its cartoonists slaughtered.
Words [and cartoons] are bullets.
750 no-go zones for non-Muslims in France...LOL
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think that the 2 'jihadi' brothers in France have been killed and hostages freed . Same for the 'jihadi' that killed a police lady in a traffic stop yesterday . Heard that that guy was holed up in a KOSHER deli and I think they also got him , killed him . Hope that it was a Jew that got him !!
Once I got out of BART, I stopped by a tavern to grab some beer and fish sandwich. As I was eating, I heard on the Fox news that out of four suspects, three were male and they were killed. The last one is a woman and she is at large.
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- #29
How in the world did the girl get away, of course Israel had to make it about them. the Israel PM is laughing and saying this is good, this is very good, or perhaps I warned them about their vote.
The terrorists were Islamists. The victims were French. How did you manage to bring Israel into the equation?
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- #30
What the French need is some tough gun restrictions, that would have prevented this from happening.
It seems like it was pretty easy to procure weapons in France.
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- #31
Islamist terrorists killed at least four hostages before being gunned down by police.
France - Charlie Hebdo suspects killed several hostages die at Paris market - France 24
France - Charlie Hebdo suspects killed several hostages die at Paris market - France 24
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It was a part of their weekly ritual. Every Friday, members of the France’s Jewish community would head to the local kosher supermarket, pick up groceries and prepare for the Sabbath.
This time was different. A gruesome massacre at a satirical magazine had shocked and rattled Parisians city-wide. But still, for France’s Jews, Friday began as always, with the Jewish community pressing forward, refusing to let fear alter their daily lives.
Sadly, it ended in tragedy, with Shabbat services shuttered at the iconic Paris Grand Shul for the first time since the Nazis occupied Europe.
Armed assailants shattered an already fragile sense of security in France, sending an increasingly tense Jewish community reeling, left to pick up the pieces under a sense of threat, and while still in mourning. Now, 70 years after the end of the Holocaust, the Jews living in France once again are feeling vulnerable. This is not the first time the community has come under threat, but rather, it’s the culmination of a series of alarming incidents.
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Still in mourning France s Jewish community remains threatened MSNBC
This time was different. A gruesome massacre at a satirical magazine had shocked and rattled Parisians city-wide. But still, for France’s Jews, Friday began as always, with the Jewish community pressing forward, refusing to let fear alter their daily lives.
Sadly, it ended in tragedy, with Shabbat services shuttered at the iconic Paris Grand Shul for the first time since the Nazis occupied Europe.
Armed assailants shattered an already fragile sense of security in France, sending an increasingly tense Jewish community reeling, left to pick up the pieces under a sense of threat, and while still in mourning. Now, 70 years after the end of the Holocaust, the Jews living in France once again are feeling vulnerable. This is not the first time the community has come under threat, but rather, it’s the culmination of a series of alarming incidents.
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Still in mourning France s Jewish community remains threatened MSNBC
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MI5 boss Andrew Parker has warned that a group of core al Qaeda terrorists in Syria is plotting a 'Mumbai-style mass casualty attack' against the West.
Parker said that the extremists in Syria are making 'complex and ambitious plots' to target western transport networks and iconic landmarks. Mumbai style shootings and aviation bomb plots are among the plans being developed by the group, reported News.com.au.
According to reports, the group in question is 'Khorasan' cell that includes jihadists who are sent by al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Al Qaeda planning mass casualty attacks against West says MI5 boss Andrew Parker Latest News Updates at Daily News Analysis
Parker said that the extremists in Syria are making 'complex and ambitious plots' to target western transport networks and iconic landmarks. Mumbai style shootings and aviation bomb plots are among the plans being developed by the group, reported News.com.au.
According to reports, the group in question is 'Khorasan' cell that includes jihadists who are sent by al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Al Qaeda planning mass casualty attacks against West says MI5 boss Andrew Parker Latest News Updates at Daily News Analysis
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What is tragic is that two of those men should have been under surveillance. Both were already linked to terrorism, one had already been jailed for his actions, the other had been to Yemen. Both were red flagged by US and Yemeni intelligence as possible threats.
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The Prime Minister, Narendra Modi spoke on telephone to French President Francois Hollande today.
Prime Minister condemned the terrorist attack in Paris in the strongest terms, conveyed condolences on behalf of the people of India and expressed solidarity with the people of France. He expressed confidence that President Hollande and the people of France will deal with this moment of grief and challenge with fortitude and that they will succeed in combating the forces of terrorism. Prime Minister reaffirmed his commitment to counter-terrorism cooperation as a key element of the growing strategic partnership between the two countries.
President Hollande thanked Prime Minister for the telephone call and the for the solidarity and support France had received from the people, government, political parties and media of India. He added that this support from the world`s largest democracy meant a lot to the people of France. He underlined his commitment to deepen India-France defence and security cooperation and looked forward to receiving Prime Minister in France this year.
- See more at: PM speaks on telephone to French President Francois Hollande
Prime Minister condemned the terrorist attack in Paris in the strongest terms, conveyed condolences on behalf of the people of India and expressed solidarity with the people of France. He expressed confidence that President Hollande and the people of France will deal with this moment of grief and challenge with fortitude and that they will succeed in combating the forces of terrorism. Prime Minister reaffirmed his commitment to counter-terrorism cooperation as a key element of the growing strategic partnership between the two countries.
President Hollande thanked Prime Minister for the telephone call and the for the solidarity and support France had received from the people, government, political parties and media of India. He added that this support from the world`s largest democracy meant a lot to the people of France. He underlined his commitment to deepen India-France defence and security cooperation and looked forward to receiving Prime Minister in France this year.
- See more at: PM speaks on telephone to French President Francois Hollande
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- #36
What is tragic is that two of those men should have been under surveillance. Both were already linked to terrorism, one had already been jailed for his actions, the other had been to Yemen. Both were red flagged by US and Yemeni intelligence as possible threats.
What surprised me that all three Islamist terrorists were well armed. Does France not have any gun control?
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PARIS: France's prime minister on Friday acknowledged "failings" in intelligence that led to a three-day spree of horror and at least 20 people dead, as criticism mounted that the attacks might have been avoided if officials had been more alert to the deadly peril posed by suspects already on their radar.
Even as authorities were still investigating the events during three days of violence, a debate brewed over who should be held accountable in the apparent lapses by law enforcement and national security officials.
Some security experts, however, noted the huge difficulties faced by authorities in preventing attacks when potential terrorists and their sympathizers number in the thousands on official watch lists.
The experts note other factors at play: Security services are drowning in data, overwhelmed by the quantity of people and emails they are expected to track, and hampered by the inability to make pre-emptive arrests in democratic countries.
The French government appeared to be steeling itself for recriminations. "There was a failing, of course," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on BFM television. "That's why we have to analyze what happened."
Criticism has focused on the failure to more closely follow the two brothers who carried out Wednesday's attack on the Charlie Hebdo newspaper. One had been convicted on terrorism charges and the other was believed to have linked up with al-Qaida forces while in Yemen. Both were on the US no-fly list, according to a senior US official, because of their links to terrorist movements.
Michel Thooris, secretary-general of the France Police labour union, called the French attack a "breakdown" in security. Somewhere along the line the suspects fell through the cracks, he said: either the judicial system not sentencing them strongly enough, or a failure in police surveillance. "This was a military strike against civilians by individuals at war, in a country at peace," he said.
Thooris also criticized authorities for not doing more to warn the public to stay away from sensitive sites after the suspects went on the run, and said "lax" French regulations allowed for terrorism to be imported from war zones abroad.
"The current policy of blocking French citizens from traveling abroad to wage jihad by letting them run free is absurd," he said. "If they can't go fight in Syria or Iraq, they'll fight here in France."
Many observers tend to blame poor police work in these types of attacks. They note that the French suspects were on police radar, as were two radical Islamists who killed British soldier Lee Rigby in London in 2013.
And just because someone is on a watch list does not mean they will be followed all the time.
Intelligence officials decline to reveal specifics about their country's lists, but it is believed they include thousands of people around the continent. Lists typically include not only returning jihadis, but people suspected of financial crimes, sex crimes and other serious offenses.
"Those watch lists are quite long, especially since 9/11, which means the police don't have the resources to follow everyone," said Benoit Gomis, a Frenchman who is a counter-terrorism expert with the Chatham House research group in the UK. "It difficult to track the right people. We have so much noise, so much data, but we can't necessarily find the right information and act on it when it's needed."
In the case of Cherif and Said Kouachi, the chief suspects in the slaughter of 12 people at the satirical newspaper in Paris, efforts to track the brothers were weakened by legal considerations. Said had no criminal record, and the latest legal case against Cherif had ultimately been thrown out.
"You can only do so much within the rule of law," Gomis said. "You can't arrest them for extreme views. Lots of people will say we should have arrested them, or put them in jail, but we need to respect the rule of law."
British security officials say acts of terror are more likely to be committed by people police are already aware of. But in practical terms, they say, the number of people requiring surveillance has jumped substantially in western Europe as an increasing number of mostly young Muslims have traveled to Syria to join forces with the Islamic State group and other militant organizations fighting the regime there.
Spanish officials say roughly 3,000 Europeans have left to join jihadi movements, and many have returned home after getting extensive training in weapon use plus ideological indoctrination as potential terrorists.
These returnees form the core risk group, and predicting which ones will launch attacks is proving extremely difficult, Spanish interior minister Jorge Fernandez Diaz said on Friday in an interview on Spain's Telecinco television network.
"There are hundreds of them in Europe and they could activate themselves at any time as solitary actors, integrated in cells or in loosely structured groups and could produce very tragic events like we have seen in Paris," he said.
Top Italian anti-terrorist prosecutor Armando Spataro said that rogue terrorists are one of the new threats.
"It is clear that when confronted with a situation like these isolated episodes, even the best and the most prepared police in the world cannot prevent them," Spataro said, adding that he did not agree with criticism that the French police had dropped the ball.
Spataro was skeptical that watch lists were helpful in the fight against terrorism - citing the 2009 case of a Nigerian who had been reported by his father as intending to mount a terrorist attack but who managed nonetheless to get on a Delta flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. And he was critical of the Italian interior minister's announcement that there were 53 Jihadists under surveillance in Italy.
"If that is true, maybe better not to say anything and investigate them instead," Spataro said. "Maybe now they will flee."
In Austria, interior minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner said agencies "have their eyes" on 60 jihadis who have returned from conflict zones. She said all of them face criminal charges for suspicion of supporting a terrorist organization.
In the Czech Republic, the counter-intelligence service known as BIS is seeking increased powers to monitor financial transactions and communications. Draft legislation says the agency seeks information "about individuals who are known to be supporters and promoters of a radical version of Islam."
Each country uses a different system to keep track of suspected extremists. Germany does not keep a centralized watch list at the federal level, but the security service of each state maintains lists of people considered dangerous.
In extreme cases, German officials can remove passports, require suspects to regularly report to police, or even take them into custody if there is enough evidence to hold them before charges are brought.
Germany's interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said late on Thursday that the number of Islamic extremists currently considered dangerous is about 260 _ the highest number ever.
"The situation here is serious, we have grounds for concern and to take precautions, but not for fear and panic," he said on public television.
French PM acknowledges failings in preventing attack - The Times of India
Even as authorities were still investigating the events during three days of violence, a debate brewed over who should be held accountable in the apparent lapses by law enforcement and national security officials.
Some security experts, however, noted the huge difficulties faced by authorities in preventing attacks when potential terrorists and their sympathizers number in the thousands on official watch lists.
The experts note other factors at play: Security services are drowning in data, overwhelmed by the quantity of people and emails they are expected to track, and hampered by the inability to make pre-emptive arrests in democratic countries.
The French government appeared to be steeling itself for recriminations. "There was a failing, of course," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on BFM television. "That's why we have to analyze what happened."
Criticism has focused on the failure to more closely follow the two brothers who carried out Wednesday's attack on the Charlie Hebdo newspaper. One had been convicted on terrorism charges and the other was believed to have linked up with al-Qaida forces while in Yemen. Both were on the US no-fly list, according to a senior US official, because of their links to terrorist movements.
Michel Thooris, secretary-general of the France Police labour union, called the French attack a "breakdown" in security. Somewhere along the line the suspects fell through the cracks, he said: either the judicial system not sentencing them strongly enough, or a failure in police surveillance. "This was a military strike against civilians by individuals at war, in a country at peace," he said.
Thooris also criticized authorities for not doing more to warn the public to stay away from sensitive sites after the suspects went on the run, and said "lax" French regulations allowed for terrorism to be imported from war zones abroad.
"The current policy of blocking French citizens from traveling abroad to wage jihad by letting them run free is absurd," he said. "If they can't go fight in Syria or Iraq, they'll fight here in France."
Many observers tend to blame poor police work in these types of attacks. They note that the French suspects were on police radar, as were two radical Islamists who killed British soldier Lee Rigby in London in 2013.
And just because someone is on a watch list does not mean they will be followed all the time.
Intelligence officials decline to reveal specifics about their country's lists, but it is believed they include thousands of people around the continent. Lists typically include not only returning jihadis, but people suspected of financial crimes, sex crimes and other serious offenses.
"Those watch lists are quite long, especially since 9/11, which means the police don't have the resources to follow everyone," said Benoit Gomis, a Frenchman who is a counter-terrorism expert with the Chatham House research group in the UK. "It difficult to track the right people. We have so much noise, so much data, but we can't necessarily find the right information and act on it when it's needed."
In the case of Cherif and Said Kouachi, the chief suspects in the slaughter of 12 people at the satirical newspaper in Paris, efforts to track the brothers were weakened by legal considerations. Said had no criminal record, and the latest legal case against Cherif had ultimately been thrown out.
"You can only do so much within the rule of law," Gomis said. "You can't arrest them for extreme views. Lots of people will say we should have arrested them, or put them in jail, but we need to respect the rule of law."
British security officials say acts of terror are more likely to be committed by people police are already aware of. But in practical terms, they say, the number of people requiring surveillance has jumped substantially in western Europe as an increasing number of mostly young Muslims have traveled to Syria to join forces with the Islamic State group and other militant organizations fighting the regime there.
Spanish officials say roughly 3,000 Europeans have left to join jihadi movements, and many have returned home after getting extensive training in weapon use plus ideological indoctrination as potential terrorists.
These returnees form the core risk group, and predicting which ones will launch attacks is proving extremely difficult, Spanish interior minister Jorge Fernandez Diaz said on Friday in an interview on Spain's Telecinco television network.
"There are hundreds of them in Europe and they could activate themselves at any time as solitary actors, integrated in cells or in loosely structured groups and could produce very tragic events like we have seen in Paris," he said.
Top Italian anti-terrorist prosecutor Armando Spataro said that rogue terrorists are one of the new threats.
"It is clear that when confronted with a situation like these isolated episodes, even the best and the most prepared police in the world cannot prevent them," Spataro said, adding that he did not agree with criticism that the French police had dropped the ball.
Spataro was skeptical that watch lists were helpful in the fight against terrorism - citing the 2009 case of a Nigerian who had been reported by his father as intending to mount a terrorist attack but who managed nonetheless to get on a Delta flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. And he was critical of the Italian interior minister's announcement that there were 53 Jihadists under surveillance in Italy.
"If that is true, maybe better not to say anything and investigate them instead," Spataro said. "Maybe now they will flee."
In Austria, interior minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner said agencies "have their eyes" on 60 jihadis who have returned from conflict zones. She said all of them face criminal charges for suspicion of supporting a terrorist organization.
In the Czech Republic, the counter-intelligence service known as BIS is seeking increased powers to monitor financial transactions and communications. Draft legislation says the agency seeks information "about individuals who are known to be supporters and promoters of a radical version of Islam."
Each country uses a different system to keep track of suspected extremists. Germany does not keep a centralized watch list at the federal level, but the security service of each state maintains lists of people considered dangerous.
In extreme cases, German officials can remove passports, require suspects to regularly report to police, or even take them into custody if there is enough evidence to hold them before charges are brought.
Germany's interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said late on Thursday that the number of Islamic extremists currently considered dangerous is about 260 _ the highest number ever.
"The situation here is serious, we have grounds for concern and to take precautions, but not for fear and panic," he said on public television.
French PM acknowledges failings in preventing attack - The Times of India
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What is tragic is that two of those men should have been under surveillance. Both were already linked to terrorism, one had already been jailed for his actions, the other had been to Yemen. Both were red flagged by US and Yemeni intelligence as possible threats.
What surprised me that all three Islamist terrorists were well armed. Does France not have any gun control?
I don't know...I heard they had Kalishkanovs (?) - that surprised me.
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What is tragic is that two of those men should have been under surveillance. Both were already linked to terrorism, one had already been jailed for his actions, the other had been to Yemen. Both were red flagged by US and Yemeni intelligence as possible threats.
What surprised me that all three Islamist terrorists were well armed. Does France not have any gun control?
I don't know...I heard they had Kalishkanovs (?) - that surprised me.
They had AK-47s and they also had grenades. The fact that terrorists are able to smuggle weapons that easily into France is a bad news.
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The reports I heard also emphasized how cool, calm and "professional" they were, as if well trained.
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