Fox News Pretends Palin Was Right About ‘Death Panels'

[Oldstyle]

Their propaganda is a beautiful thing to behold. I don't know why MSNBC doesn't just completely rip off their template.

Liberals tend to be more openminded and capable of seeing fault in their own side.

The Fox News narrative is not that flexible.

Oh, yeah..."openminded and capable of seeing fault in their own side"...that pretty much sums up MSNBC!

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's be honest here, Kiddies...there will be panels to determine what is and isn't covered by government run health care. Anyone with even a shred of intelligence knows that putting millions more into a health care system that already is short handed is going to lead to some sort of rationing of services. Calling them "Death Panels" is over the top...call them what they are...the panels that will decide whether or not some of us will receive medical care.

 

[Luissa]

That's how the Nazis sold it..."Death for life"....that's how they sold the idea of killing off certain people....the concept was that you had to kill those leeching off the system in order to provide for the more likely candidates.

Obama and his ghouls do the same thing.

It was end of life counseling, which is very much needed. Stop lying.

It is kind of funny how much you lie.

 

[tinydancer]

I get it, and I appreciate your attempts to at least rationalize and give the concern an objective treatment. That is something that should be done.

"Death panels" is propaganda, wielded by people who complain about propaganda. That is something that should not be done.

That's my observation. I believe in it. Do with it what you will.

If the counter is (and I'm not saying it is) is that such tactics are in retaliation for leftist propaganda, again, my answer will simply be: grow the fuck up. If that is not your counter, then please disregard.

So you don't like the name. Boo fucking hoo.

In Britain they gave it a pretty name and called it the Liverpool Pathway. There have been so many scandals over this "end of life option" *cough* including hospitals getting bonuses for basically "offing" patients.

Those state run hospitals benefit by denying care to kids also.
OLIVER FIELD died because his life had no political value to the state run healthcare system.

Yuppers. You can always count on $$$$ being the bottom line. Not only were hospitals receiving bonuses for putting people on the "Pathway" but check out this stat.

Professor Irene Higginson, Director of the Cicely Saunders Institute at King’s College London, said: “Expenditure on palliative care services is inconsistent across England, with the average spend per person at end of life about £900 in total.

However, some Primary Care Trusts spend as little as £186 per person.”

Now there's a hefty savings isn't it now?

The reports are horrifying.

Ross Lydall - Liverpool Care Pathway review shocked at number of patients denied water : Ross Lydall | Blogs | Evening Standard

 

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Fox News Pretends Palin Was Right About ‘Death Panels’

Fox News and their viewers love to pretend. They live in a fantasyland bubble -- only it's not a happy place -- it's full of fear and race-baiting.

Sarah Palin returned to Fox News’ “business block” today to lend her special brand of acumen to a discussion about Obamacare and death panels. Despite the fact that her “death panels” accusation was rated “Lie of the Year” by PolitiFact, host Eric Bolling joined her in throwing truth out the window as she took what was laughably called “The Hot Seat” for softball questions and a pretense that she has been proven correct. Simon Maloy, at Media Matters, breaks down Palin’s – uh, evolution – from her death panel accusations about the Advanced Care Planning provision in the House health care bill to her changeup to the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) in the Senate bill: Palin’s first deployment of “death panel” in August 2009 was in reference to the Advanced Care Planning provision of the House health care bill, and she said it would “decide” whether senior citizens and the disabled were “worthy of health care.” This was a lie, and Palin got called out on it, earning herself Politifact’s “Lie of the Year” award. In December of 2009, Palin switched it up and tried claiming that IPAB (which originated in the Senate’s health care bill) was what she was talking about all along and that “this type of rationing” was “precisely what I meant when I used that metaphor.” This was also a lie; the law does not allow for the IPAB to make “any recommendation to ration health care... or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.”

She's the biggest moron ever.

Scary fact - people on this forum actually voted for her.

Caribou Barbie must know that we've always had death panels

 

[Luissa]

That's how the Nazis sold it..."Death for life"....that's how they sold the idea of killing off certain people....the concept was that you had to kill those leeching off the system in order to provide for the more likely candidates.

Obama and his ghouls do the same thing.

It was end of life counseling, which is very much needed. Stop lying.

Here ya go liar.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterub...is-so-difficult-to-kill-the-death-panel-myth/

 

[Luissa]

So you don't like the name. Boo fucking hoo.

In Britain they gave it a pretty name and called it the Liverpool Pathway. There have been so many scandals over this "end of life option" *cough* including hospitals getting bonuses for basically "offing" patients.

Those state run hospitals benefit by denying care to kids also.
OLIVER FIELD died because his life had no political value to the state run healthcare system.

Yuppers. You can always count on $$$$ being the bottom line. Not only were hospitals receiving bonuses for putting people on the "Pathway" but check out this stat.

Professor Irene Higginson, Director of the Cicely Saunders Institute at King’s College London, said: “Expenditure on palliative care services is inconsistent across England, with the average spend per person at end of life about £900 in total.

However, some Primary Care Trusts spend as little as £186 per person.”

Now there's a hefty savings isn't it now?

The reports are horrifying.

Ross Lydall - Liverpool Care Pathway review shocked at number of patients denied water : Ross Lydall | Blogs | Evening Standard

My grandmother was a week away from dying and they put her in the hospital and made her go through a bunch of tests, and she still died.
End of life care is much needed, and the doctors should be compensated so they don't provide expensive care that they do not need.
My grandmother would have never survived and the doctor knew that. But they needed their money.

 

[koshergrl]

Here ya go, druggie:

"The guideline said that “treatment with intent to prolong survival is not a covered service for patients who have progressive metastatic cancer” and are not able (in the view of the physician) to be helped. Palliative care is all that will be provided. In order to qualify for treatment coverage, the patient must undergo a “discussion” and, evidently if he can prove he can live anyway, then he can get treatment."


Obamacare Death Panels Come to Oregon: Committee May Deny Cancer Treatment | LifeNews.com

 

[koshergrl]

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The chairman noted “how could they know if this rule was in conflict with Obamacare?” They would let others deal with that question, he said. He also explained that so many more people would be added to Medicaid, how could they possibly have money to give everyone the health care they wanted?……a telling comment.
The retired oncologist railed at me saying that he had seen hundreds of breast cancers and if a woman only had two more weeks to live, what difference did trying to help her make anyway? To this last remark, the patient’s rights gentlemen retorted that his mother died of stage 4 cancer and if he could have had two more weeks with her, it would have made a LOT of difference! The oncologist’s coldness of heart and explosive anger made me very glad he is now retired."
Obamacare Death Panels Come to Oregon: Committee May Deny Cancer Treatment | LifeNews.com

 

[koshergrl]

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Opposition is growing from the Democrat's side of the aisle about the Obamacare death panels, also known as the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). Howard Dean, former DNC Chair wrote an op-ed last month calling for a repeal of the board, claiming it would harm people on Medicare.

But he isn't the only democrat criticizing the board.

A wave of vulnerable Democrats over the past three months has signed on to bills repealing the board’s powers, including Sen. Mark Pryor (Ark.) and Reps. Ron Barber (Ariz.), Ann Kirkpatrick (Ariz.), Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) and Elizabeth Esty (Conn.).
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All five are vulnerable in the 2014 elections. "The four House Democrats faced criticism from their party in July after voting with Republicans to delay ObamaCare's individual and employer mandates — moves widely interpreted as political positioning ahead of 2014." Senator Pyror is facing a serious challenge for his senate seat from Rep. Tom Cotton.
Dean wrote in his op-ed:

"The IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them," Dean wrote in the Wall Street Journal.
Getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought to agree on."





Vulnerable Dems Turn on Obamacare 'Death Panels'

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[Dot Com]

breitbart.com as your source? OK

 

[koshergrl]

Yup.

And ORTL.

 

[koshergrl]

" By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them."

"When, and if, the atmosphere on Capitol Hill improves and leadership becomes interested again in addressing real problems instead of posturing, getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought to agree on."

Howard Dean.

Howard Dean: The Affordable Care Act's Rate-Setting Won't Work - WSJ.com

 

[Dot Com]

well maybe the repubs can block it like they blocked everything else The one thing they're good at, obstruction. Have they had the 41st vote yet?

 

[koshergrl]

We were good at giving women and slaves the vote, too. Once we were able to sweep away the icky dems.

 

[tinydancer]

Those state run hospitals benefit by denying care to kids also.
OLIVER FIELD died because his life had no political value to the state run healthcare system.

Yuppers. You can always count on $$$$ being the bottom line. Not only were hospitals receiving bonuses for putting people on the "Pathway" but check out this stat.

Professor Irene Higginson, Director of the Cicely Saunders Institute at King’s College London, said: “Expenditure on palliative care services is inconsistent across England, with the average spend per person at end of life about £900 in total.

However, some Primary Care Trusts spend as little as £186 per person.”

Now there's a hefty savings isn't it now?

The reports are horrifying.

Ross Lydall - Liverpool Care Pathway review shocked at number of patients denied water : Ross Lydall | Blogs | Evening Standard

My grandmother was a week away from dying and they put her in the hospital and made her go through a bunch of tests, and she still died.
End of life care is much needed, and the doctors should be compensated so they don't provide expensive care that they do not need.
My grandmother would have never survived and the doctor knew that. But they needed their money.

I agree that end of life care is needed.

BUT not the way it's been implemented in Britain. They get bonuses for actually hitting certain targets so they can clear bed space.

The NHS is just chock full of horror stories proving how badly well intentioned programs can go nightmarishly wrong.


Cancer expert who treated Mo Mowlam brands Liverpool Care Pathway 'the most corrupt practice in British medicine'

I wouldn't be treated in a hospital here, says Professor Mark Glaser
Senior oncologist accuses NHS managers to use the Liverpool Care Pathway in order to clear beds and reach their targets

A senior cancer specialist today condemned the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway as a corrupt and scandalous system used to free hospital beds of the old and sick.

Professor Mark Glaser said the pathway – in use across the NHS as a way to ease the suffering of the dying – is employed by Health Service managers to clear bed space and to achieve targets that bring more money to their hospitals.

The professor, who treated former Labour Cabinet minister Mo Mowlam during her last illness, said practices in British hospitals are ‘morally bad medicine’ and that he would personally ‘never be treated in a hospital in England’.

Case and point: Rustie Lee refused permission to allow a Birmingham hospital to put her mother Euginee Edwards on the Liverpool Care Pathway and six days later she was discharged from hospital

Hospitals receive millions in bonus payments in return for hitting targets for numbers of patients put on the Liverpool Care Pathway.

Cancer expert who treated Mo Mowlam brands Liverpool Care Pathway 'the most corrupt practice in British medicine' | Mail Online

 

[Billo_Really]

As usual hazelnut proves what a nut he is by not bothering to check his facts.

There's nothing to check. There is no such thing as a "death panel" and anyone who thinks there is, is a total moron.

 

[American_Jihad]

As usual hazelnut proves what a nut he is by not bothering to check his facts.

There's nothing to check. There is no such thing as a "death panel" and anyone who thinks there is, is a total moron.

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[Billo_Really]

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[westwall]

As usual hazelnut proves what a nut he is by not bothering to check his facts.

There's nothing to check. There is no such thing as a "death panel" and anyone who thinks there is, is a total moron.

Sure thing silly person. I hope you're never stuck in that situation 'cause if you are you're toast. It would suck for you if that was how you found out. You really should read some of what's out there instead of brainlessly shilling for your masters...