Fox News Network, Tops the World

[Nosmo King]

Assessing a news organization's legitimacy based on ratings is like saying Foghat made better music than Mozart based strictly on album sales.

And if Bill O'Reilly said it, it MUST be true!

I guess some folks don't mind bias in their news, so long as that bias is something they politically support.

Media bogeyman? Thy name is Murdoch.

 

[Ravi]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

btw, the top talk show is Oprah, with over 6 million viewers...so even Oprah blows away cable's top talk show.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm afraid Bill O'Reilly is going to find himself wrong. Again.

Let me explain.

Fox is a right-wing avowedly GOP network.

To that I'd say – President Obama is a Democrat. From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre, that the right doesn't hold the White House.

As for the Congress, well, frankly who knows? Toss a coin, check the calendar, it seems that whatever way the wind blows will influence Congress. Fox has just as good a chance as anyone else I suppose. But not more of a chance.

Fox isn't taken seriously anywhere else. It's a byword for a joke in journalism.

The bloke who created it knows it but he doesn't care. He's only interested in making more money. And as long as it brings in revenue from advertising Murdoch doesn't really care. He owns the WSJ and The Times in London. He also owns The Sun the tits and bum daily in the UK that has made a mint for him over the years (the Brits still call him 'The Dirty Digger' a reference to his Australian heritage).

Murdoch isn't a fool, he knows good journalism, he created a fine (if right wing) national newspaper here in Australia in 1964. My home town was actually the home of News Ltd for many years before Rupert decided Delaware with its comfortable corporate laws was going to the the new home of the company his father founded.

Fox might be pulling in the loot but Bill should understand one thing. It's a joke to the rest of the world. Rupert Murdoch is the new P.T. Barnum and every time he checks the bottom line in the Fox accounts he winks at the shade of H.L.Mencken.

Bill, get your hand off it, it will grow by itself old son.

Obama is right of center?? And what planet are you living on?!?!

I've got Texas on the map of my planet.

I know The Alamo is in Texas.

I've been to The Alamo.

So I must be on the same planet you are on

You do realize that Obama was named the most liberal Senator in '07, don't you?

Most Liberal Senator 2007

Obama's Turn to the Left

Now tell me which of these advisors/czars would you consider right of center; Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, Mark Holdren, Anita Dunn, Roberta Achtenberg or Kevin Jennings, just to name a few.

 

[Dr Grump]

To the rest of the world he's normal.....a centrist, although I'd say with a slight slant to the left, not right..

 

[Si modo]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

Not everyone has cable/satellite, either.

 

[Zona]

Let's have a "That's Gonna Really Piss the Latte Liberals Off" Party.

Meh, I'm not pissed, I'm glad they are actually doing well.

A few of my favorite shows are on our local Fox network.

What does that have to do with fox news?

 

[California Girl]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

Not everyone has cable/satellite, either.

This would be the poor people I keep hearing rumors of? The unfortunate souls who want me to pay for their every whim?

 

[Ravi]

Currently, 27 percent of U.S. households subscribe only to satellite service -- up from 19 percent in 2004 and 12 percent in 2000.1 Sixty percent of households subscribe only to cable service -- down from 62 percent in 2004 and 66 percent in 2000.

Satellite TV Penetration Up Significantly

That leaves 13% of households that have neither cable or satellite....and Fox still trails the networks.

 

[WillowTree]

Let's have a "That's Gonna Really Piss the Latte Liberals Off" Party.

Meh, I'm not pissed, I'm glad they are actually doing well.

A few of my favorite shows are on our local Fox network.

AAAAAhhhhha! so finally you admit to being a Latte Liberal.

 

[WillowTree]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

I'm afraid Bill O'Reilly is going to find himself wrong. Again.

Let me explain.

Fox is a right-wing avowedly GOP network.

To that I'd say – President Obama is a Democrat. From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre, that the right doesn't hold the White House.

As for the Congress, well, frankly who knows? Toss a coin, check the calendar, it seems that whatever way the wind blows will influence Congress. Fox has just as good a chance as anyone else I suppose. But not more of a chance.

Fox isn't taken seriously anywhere else. It's a byword for a joke in journalism.

The bloke who created it knows it but he doesn't care. He's only interested in making more money. And as long as it brings in revenue from advertising Murdoch doesn't really care. He owns the WSJ and The Times in London. He also owns The Sun the tits and bum daily in the UK that has made a mint for him over the years (the Brits still call him 'The Dirty Digger' a reference to his Australian heritage).

Murdoch isn't a fool, he knows good journalism, he created a fine (if right wing) national newspaper here in Australia in 1964. My home town was actually the home of News Ltd for many years before Rupert decided Delaware with its comfortable corporate laws was going to the the new home of the company his father founded.

Fox might be pulling in the loot but Bill should understand one thing. It's a joke to the rest of the world. Rupert Murdoch is the new P.T. Barnum and every time he checks the bottom line in the Fox accounts he winks at the shade of H.L.Mencken.

Bill, get your hand off it, it will grow by itself old son.

well, you've said a mouthful but left off one important component of your rant. Who is the most respected news source if not for Fox? doyathink?

 

[KittenKoder]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

Um ... couldn't be because broadcast networks are cheaper to watch ... could it?

 

[Ravi]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

Um ... couldn't be because broadcast networks are cheaper to watch ... could it?

Nope, not if 87% of households have cable or satellite it isn't.

 

[Zona]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

Your premise, or maybe it is O'Reilly's...hard to tell, is flawed.

You could say that FOX talk shows out perform other cable talk shows and you'd be correct.

But in the actual News category, the broadcast networks outperform Fox on a regular basis (it's not clear to me if Fox has an actual news broadcast).

[SIZE=+1]Spotlight: Evening news and talk[/SIZE] Network

Viewers (millions)​

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

8.8​

ABC World News with Charles Gibson

7.7​

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric

5.9​

Cable

The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News)

3.4​

Hannity (Fox News)

2.4​

Special Report with Bret Baier (Fox News)

2.4​

The Fox Report with Shepard Smith (Fox News)

2.0​

On the Record with Greta van Sustern (Fox News

1.8​

Nielsen ratings for week of Oct. 12 - USATODAY.com

Not everyone has cable/satellite, either.

So Hannity has 3.4 million people watching him...?

lets do the math...3.4 million divided by 300 million is less than 1% correct?

So, 99% of Americans dont watch him, correct?


Seriously, in the big picture, these people are irrelavant. If you dont believe this, look at the election last year.

Agree?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre

WTF is this dipshit on?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zona]

From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre

WTF is this dipshit on?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who wrote that?

 

[Lumpy 1]

I was just reading up on Fox Broadcasting Company and was amazed at what they have produced over the years, just a tidbit would be the Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, King of the Hill, Cosby Show, Beverly Hills 90210, X Files, Melrose Place, American Idol, Super Bowls and NFL programming. Like I said just a tidbit....

Fox Broadcasting Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say that if the Fox Broadcasting Company used their power for evil, instead of fair and balanced, they could probably influence the public and squish Obama and the Democrats like bugs. (ah, something to mull over)....

 

[Diuretic]

I was watching Bill O'Reilly monday night, (not an exact quote) he claimed that the Fox News Network was, The News of Record, and the most powerful news organization in the country and therefore the world.....

So now, not only are they the most fair and balanced but the most powerful news organization in the world? This could very well be....

The New York times used to have that distinction but through loss of subscriptions, lack of readership and an ever growing dependence on yellow journalism, it has fallen from favor as a trusted news source. It's obvious, that the networks, many big city newspapers and the Obama captured cable news media still follow the New York Times lead but their not doing so well themselves.....

I guess Fox News should be giving a special thanks to Obama and his managed media for their due diligence of whining and hate mongering....

I'm afraid Bill O'Reilly is going to find himself wrong. Again.

Let me explain.

Fox is a right-wing avowedly GOP network.

To that I'd say – President Obama is a Democrat. From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre, that the right doesn't hold the White House.

As for the Congress, well, frankly who knows? Toss a coin, check the calendar, it seems that whatever way the wind blows will influence Congress. Fox has just as good a chance as anyone else I suppose. But not more of a chance.

Fox isn't taken seriously anywhere else. It's a byword for a joke in journalism.

The bloke who created it knows it but he doesn't care. He's only interested in making more money. And as long as it brings in revenue from advertising Murdoch doesn't really care. He owns the WSJ and The Times in London. He also owns The Sun the tits and bum daily in the UK that has made a mint for him over the years (the Brits still call him 'The Dirty Digger' a reference to his Australian heritage).

Murdoch isn't a fool, he knows good journalism, he created a fine (if right wing) national newspaper here in Australia in 1964. My home town was actually the home of News Ltd for many years before Rupert decided Delaware with its comfortable corporate laws was going to the the new home of the company his father founded.

Fox might be pulling in the loot but Bill should understand one thing. It's a joke to the rest of the world. Rupert Murdoch is the new P.T. Barnum and every time he checks the bottom line in the Fox accounts he winks at the shade of H.L.Mencken.

Bill, get your hand off it, it will grow by itself old son.

well, you've said a mouthful but left off one important component of your rant. Who is the most respected news source if not for Fox? doyathink?

Rant? That wasn't a rant

The most respected news source? I doubt if there's one now, public opinion seems to be fairly fractured nearly everywhere I look so I don't think that can apply any longer. I know one thing though - Fox would never get within a bull's roar of that classification.

 

[Diuretic]

From that I would deduce that, although Obama is right of centre

WTF is this dipshit on?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who wrote that?

The dipshit

 

[Diuretic]

I was just reading up on Fox Broadcasting Company and was amazed at what they have produced over the years, just a tidbit would be the Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, King of the Hill, Cosby Show, Beverly Hills 90210, X Files, Melrose Place, American Idol, Super Bowls and NFL programming. Like I said just a tidbit....

Fox Broadcasting Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say that if the Fox Broadcasting Company used their power for evil, instead of fair and balanced, they could probably influence the public and squish Obama and the Democrats like bugs. (ah, something to mull over)....

The 1%ers watch Hannity - Fox only preaches to the converted but obviously its programming outside of the shock jocks is sufficient to garner revenue and that's all Murdoch is interested in. Its political influence is overrated, even the great Rush Limbaugh couldn't whip up sufficient support for a GOP presidential candidate to be elected. You must think Americans are stupid or something.

 

[Foxfyre]

I was just reading up on Fox Broadcasting Company and was amazed at what they have produced over the years, just a tidbit would be the Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, King of the Hill, Cosby Show, Beverly Hills 90210, X Files, Melrose Place, American Idol, Super Bowls and NFL programming. Like I said just a tidbit....

Fox Broadcasting Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say that if the Fox Broadcasting Company used their power for evil, instead of fair and balanced, they could probably influence the public and squish Obama and the Democrats like bugs. (ah, something to mull over)....

The 1%ers watch Hannity - Fox only preaches to the converted but obviously its programming outside of the shock jocks is sufficient to garner revenue and that's all Murdoch is interested in. Its political influence is overrated, even the great Rush Limbaugh couldn't whip up sufficient support for a GOP presidential candidate to be elected. You must think Americans are stupid or something.

I agree that the media giants such as O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck et al have limited influence. If they had the power some seem to assign to them, Bill Clinton would never have been elected - twice, John McCain would never have been the GOP nominee in 2008, and Barack Obama would not now be President of the USA.

Nevertheless they provide an important voice for those of us out in fly over country who otherwise have no voice. The mainstream media are not fair or honest in their reports of the Tea Parties, taxpayer protests, etc., and aid and abet the current administration in trashing any independent voices raised. Conservative talk radio and television is not successful because it influences people. It is successful because it is the only place in the media that many of us can hear what we already think. And it does keep those who care informed in ways that the mainstream media refuses to do.

As for those much maligned ratings, Wiki needs to do a lot of editing on this, but does provide the gist of how it works:

Ratings/share and total viewers

The most commonly cited Nielsen results are reported in two measurements: ratings points and share, usually reported as: "ratings points/share". As of September 1, 2009, there are an estimated 114.9 million television households in the United States. A single national ratings point represents one percent of the total number, or 1,149,000 households for the 2009–10 season.

Share is the percentage of television sets in use tuned to the program. For example, Nielsen may report a show as receiving a 9.2/15 during its broadcast, meaning that on average 9.2 percent of all television-equipped households were tuned in to that program at any given moment, while 15 percent of households watching TV were tuned into the program during this time slot. (Nielsen re-estimates the number of TV-equipped households each August for the upcoming television season.) The difference between rating and share is that a rating reflects the percentage of the total population of televisions tuned to a particular program while share reflects the percentage of televisions actually in use. [2]

Because ratings are based on samples, it is possible for shows to get 0.0 share, despite having an audience; the CNBC talk show McEnroe was one notable example.[3] Another example is The CW Television Network show, CW Now, which received two 0.0 ratings in the same season.
Nielsen ratings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What the raw ratings don't show is how many different people are exposed to a program over the course of a week or month. For instance, Limbaugh may be running in the background here because he is on our local #1 news/talk station in our area (which is true in most areas) but I actually listen to most of his program at most a very few times a month. The same goes for Hannity and Beck. I get O'Reilly slightly more often because he is generally on during the dinner hour (prep and meal).

The point is that the ratings reflect the average viewership at any given time, but not the total number of people exposed over a month's time. And more importantly, people who tune in to radio or television programs like that are people who are most likely to actually get out and vote.

And another and the most important thing is that these program deserve to be aired and deserve to be heard for otherwise the only voice on the airways will be that of people who will provide one and only one point of view and that may not be in our best interest. We are truly informed only if we get both sides of the issues that will affect our lives.