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Jeez, it didn't happen in the 1930's (when it was warmer) it didn't happen in the MWP (when it was way warmer, and it didn't happen during the RWP (when it was likewise way warmer). I say get a team down there and cap the plumes at their source and start generating some power with it!
10,000 sq. miles. A square one hundred miles on the side. And in this small area, they found over 100 of these plumes. Some exceeding 1/2 mile wide.
If you have a reasonable way of capping this, patent it. It will be a real money maker, and a boon to us all.
However, returning to reality, last year, they were looking at some plumes 100 meters across. And ten years ago, they were measuring methane in solution in the ocean, and the increase in percentage of methane in the air above the oceans. This is releases on an order of magnitude in the space of a year. That is correct, they did not have these plumes in the MWP when it was not warmer than at present. And it was not warmer the world over in the '30's, only in the continental US.
Methane, once it is in the atmosphere, for the first 20 years is over 60 times as effective of a greenhouse gas as CO2. The higher the percentage of methane in the atmosphere, the longer this more effective period lasts. In other words, an addition of 1 ppm would be the equivelant of an increase of over 60 ppm of CO2. Even discounting present methane and other GHG increases, that 1 ppm would push us over the equivelant of 450 ppm of CO2.
Going to be interesting to see what happens in 2012 in this region. A major burp, such as that of the Storega Slide of 8000 years ago could provide us with some real entertainment.
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a
The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online
How can we be so far behind the eight ball on this?
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a
The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online
huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed
I thought humans were responsible for the increase of methane in the atmosphere.
Now we're supposed to believe that there is methane that we're not responsible for?
Impossible!!!
Next they'll tell us that termites generate methane that we can't be blamed for as well.
A call for immediate action. Useless, of course, except in the context of the scientists being able to state "We told you so".
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Nothing will be done, and we will see all of this happen. The 'tipping point' is passed. As individuals, and as a nation, we need to plan for consequences. That is not going to happen, either. Except for a very few people, none will consider this serious until it is directly affecting them. Even then, many will insist it is 'cyclic' and has nothing to do with the GHGs that we put into the atmosphere.
How can we be so far behind the eight ball on this?
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming. For the last 30 years, they have been stating that there will be some bad cess.
Now, we are seeing that bad cess. But the same people that were denying that there was any warming right up to 2000, when it bacame too obvious too all that it was warming rather rapidly and radically, are now denying that the changes we are seeing in weather, the increase in the number and ferocity of the extreme weather event, are happening.
But our society, and most others, for that matter, would rather try to live in an alternate reality, than face up to the evidence that the scientists are presenting. And, when reality arrives in their back yard, they will be the first to blame the scientists for not warning them.
How can we be so far behind the eight ball on this?
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming. For the last 30 years, they have been stating that there will be some bad cess.
Now, we are seeing that bad cess. But the same people that were denying that there was any warming right up to 2000, when it bacame too obvious too all that it was warming rather rapidly and radically, are now denying that the changes we are seeing in weather, the increase in the number and ferocity of the extreme weather event, are happening.
But our society, and most others, for that matter, would rather try to live in an alternate reality, than face up to the evidence that the scientists are presenting. And, when reality arrives in their back yard, they will be the first to blame the scientists for not warning them.
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a
The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online
huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed
I thought humans were responsible for the increase of methane in the atmosphere.
Now we're supposed to believe that there is methane that we're not responsible for?
Impossible!!!
Next they'll tell us that termites generate methane that we can't be blamed for as well.
You are one fucking dumb asshole. We warmed the atmosphere and ocean with our GHG emissions. That is why the clathrates are rapidly degrading.
They've been warning us since the 60s?
Weren't they warning us we were entering a new ice age in the mid-70s?
Damn, you don't even realize the BS you're spreading, do you?
They've been warning us since the 60s?
Weren't they warning us we were entering a new ice age in the mid-70s?
Damn, you don't even realize the BS you're spreading, do you?
No "they" weren't. There was a Time magazine article about a possible new ice age. You're taking a popular press article from three decades ago and using it to attack reality. Fail.
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a
The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online
huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed
I thought humans were responsible for the increase of methane in the atmosphere.
Now we're supposed to believe that there is methane that we're not responsible for?
Impossible!!!
Next they'll tell us that termites generate methane that we can't be blamed for as well.
You are one fucking dumb asshole. We warmed the atmosphere and ocean with our GHG emissions. That is why the clathrates are rapidly degrading.
From Australia, Russia, and the Missouri and Mississippi of the US, we can see that weather events of the magnitude of the past two years spare no one in their path, irregardless of position or wealth.
They've been warning us since the 60s?
Weren't they warning us we were entering a new ice age in the mid-70s?
Damn, you don't even realize the BS you're spreading, do you?
No "they" weren't. There was a Time magazine article about a possible new ice age. You're taking a popular press article from three decades ago and using it to attack reality. Fail.
Time said we were entering a new Ice Age while all the scientists said we were warmer than ever?
Any links to prove your claim?
How can we be so far behind the eight ball on this?
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming. For the last 30 years, they have been stating that there will be some bad cess.
Now, we are seeing that bad cess. But the same people that were denying that there was any warming right up to 2000, when it bacame too obvious too all that it was warming rather rapidly and radically, are now denying that the changes we are seeing in weather, the increase in the number and ferocity of the extreme weather event, are happening.
But our society, and most others, for that matter, would rather try to live in an alternate reality, than face up to the evidence that the scientists are presenting. And, when reality arrives in their back yard, they will be the first to blame the scientists for not warning them.
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming.
They've been warning us since the 60s?
Weren't they warning us we were entering a new ice age in the mid-70s?
Damn, you don't even realize the BS you're spreading, do you?
huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed
I thought humans were responsible for the increase of methane in the atmosphere.
Now we're supposed to believe that there is methane that we're not responsible for?
Impossible!!!
Next they'll tell us that termites generate methane that we can't be blamed for as well.
You are one fucking dumb asshole. We warmed the atmosphere and ocean with our GHG emissions. That is why the clathrates are rapidly degrading.
These plumes are caused by a 1 deg rise in temperature?
No "they" weren't. There was a Time magazine article about a possible new ice age. You're taking a popular press article from three decades ago and using it to attack reality. Fail.
Time said we were entering a new Ice Age while all the scientists said we were warmer than ever?
Any links to prove your claim?
That's not quite what I said.
You are referring to a popular press article about global cooling.
When we talk about global warming, we're talking about a century of data supporting global warming.
You're combating [or trying to] that century of data by fighting with an article in a popular magazine.
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming. For the last 30 years, they have been stating that there will be some bad cess.
Now, we are seeing that bad cess. But the same people that were denying that there was any warming right up to 2000, when it bacame too obvious too all that it was warming rather rapidly and radically, are now denying that the changes we are seeing in weather, the increase in the number and ferocity of the extreme weather event, are happening.
But our society, and most others, for that matter, would rather try to live in an alternate reality, than face up to the evidence that the scientists are presenting. And, when reality arrives in their back yard, they will be the first to blame the scientists for not warning them.
The scientists have been warning us for over 50 years that there could be some bad cess coming from the rapid warming.
They've been warning us since the 60s?
Weren't they warning us we were entering a new ice age in the mid-70s?
Damn, you don't even realize the BS you're spreading, do you?
Damn, you are even more of an ill informed and stupid fuck than I thought.
What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?
What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?
Link to this pageThe skeptic argument...
Ice age predicted in the 70s
"The media had been spreading warnings of a cooling period since the 1950s, but those alarms grew louder in the 1970s. In 1975, cooling went from 'one of the most important problems' to a first-place tie for 'death and misery'. The claims of global catastrophe were remarkably similar to what the media deliver now about global warming." (Fire and Ice).
What the science says...
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The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.
In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call aerosols emitted by human activities into the atmosphere also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, its become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.
At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming warming that would a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.
By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.
The fact is that around 1970 there were 6 times as many scientists predicting a warming rather than a cooling planet. Today, with 30+years more data to analyse, we've reached a clear scientific consensus: 97% of working climate scientists agree with the view that human beings are causing global warming.
From Australia, Russia, and the Missouri and Mississippi of the US, we can see that weather events of the magnitude of the past two years spare no one in their path, irregardless of position or wealth.
And Florida saw the same in 2004, 1960, 1845, etc...
Much of the nation saw this in the 1930s with the dustbowl.
Soooo..... ???