'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice

[Zander]

Global Warming Alarmists, please, kill yourselves. Do it for the children. Save the planet!

Help the babies...

 

[Old Rocks]

It is not just the Clathrates that are emitting CH4 from the warming.

Methane Gas Seeps « Water and Environmental Research Center

Potential Impact
Potential benefits of the project are:

Reduction in the consumption of diesel fuel in Atqasuk both for power generation and home heating (approximately 500,000 gallons per year)
better understanding of the gas resources in the NPRA area, with potential larger markets
on the climate change side, quantifying natural seeps to atmospheric CH4 sources may change our understanding of the global balance between human and natural sources.
Recent work revealed that seeps may contribute as much as 50-70 million tones of atmospheric CH4 per year, or ~10% of global sources. Additionally, capture and use of CH4 from seeps mitigates global climate change in two ways: Combusting CH4, a potent greenhouse gas (CH4 is 25 times stronger than CO2 on a per molecule basis), converts it to the weaker greenhouse gases, CO2 and H2O; and use of local CH4 reduces energy consumption associated with diesel usage and shipping to remote villages.

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor Zander, too damned stupid to bring a real arguement to the table. What a whiney old ass.

 

[Old Rocks]

You know, the most pathetic thing one learns on these boards is just how stupid and willfully ignorant you 'Conservatives' are. Buckley would have told each and every one of you to finish the third grade.

 

[Zander]

Global Warming Alarmists- please- Help the babies!!! Kill yourselves, so this baby can live!!!

 

[whitehall]

I doubt if anyone on the left would try to make a case that the water deep under the Arctic ice is warming and I doubt if they would try to make a case that bubbles of methane are caused by some man-made phenomenon. They post this stuff hoping that the ignorant and the grammar school kids will draw sinister conclusions. Throw enough crap against the wall and some of it might stick.

 

[Zander]

I doubt if anyone on the left would try to make a case that the water deep under the Arctic ice is warming and I doubt if they would try to make a case that bubbles of methane are caused by some man-made phenomenon. They post this stuff hoping that the ignorant and the grammar school kids will draw sinister conclusions. Throw enough crap against the wall and some of it might stick.

If you question the phony science, you are a denier. Stop being a wolf, the alarmists really need more sheeple...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"The shelf is shallow, 50 meters or less in depth, which means it has been alternately submerged or above water, depending on sea levels throughout Earth’s history. "

Read more: 'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online

Which can only mean that the SUV is far older than anticipated

No, but your moronically drooling posts can only mean that your brain died some time ago and was replaced by some moldy cottage cheese.

What does it mean?

Does it mean the Earth has undergone "GlobalWarmerCooleringClimateChangeDisruption" before the invention of the Internal Combustion engine?

 

[westwall]

Jeez, it didn't happen in the 1930's (when it was warmer) it didn't happen in the MWP (when it was way warmer, and it didn't happen during the RWP (when it was likewise way warmer). I say get a team down there and cap the plumes at their source and start generating some power with it!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....wow, big surprise, the walleyedretard is insanely wrong again...as usual for the poor confused imbecile...

The world was not warmer in the 1930's, but the walleyedretard has fixated on the old news that the continental US (only 2% of the Earth's surface) was a tiny fraction of a degree warmer in 1934 than 1998 compared to the 1951-1980 average. Like two one hundredths of one percent (1934 ~ 1.25ºC vs. 1998 ~ 1.23ºC). The difference is not statistically significant. In the global mean, 2005 remains the warmest year with 2010 in a close tie.

The world was not warmer either during the MWP or the RWP according to the scientific evidence, even though the walleyedretard's denier cult myths say the opposite. The world is warmer than it has ever been in at least the last six thousand years, maybe eight.

Talking about "capping" a multitude of methane plumes each a thousand meters wide just demonstrates how insane and clueless the walleyedretard really is.

Wow, you bring new meaning to the term moron. The plume may be 1000 meters across when it reaches the surface but I assure you the point of origin is smaller then that. As far as the MWP goes, you are as usual, wrong. Here are a few links from peer reviewed papers from all over the world (including Antarctica) that show the MWP was global and warmer then the current day.

Evidence for a warmer period during the 12th and 13th centuries AD from chironomid assemblages in Southampton Island, Nunavut, Canada

Generation, transport, and preservation of the alkenone-based <b xmlns="">U</b> <sub xmlns=""> <b>37</b> </sub> <sup xmlns=""> <b>K&#8242;</b> </sup> sea surface temperature index in the water column and sediments of the Cariaco Basin (Venezuela)

ScienceDirect - Quaternary Research : Unstable Climate Oscillations during the Late Holocene in the Eastern Bransfield Basin, Antarctic Peninsula

Short-term climate change and New Zealand temperatures during the last millennium

ScienceDirect - Quaternary International : Climate changes and flood/drought risk in the Yangtze Delta, China, during the past millennium

Alkenone-based reconstruction of late-Holocene surface temperature and salinity changes in Lake Qinghai, China

 

[westwall]

Jeez, it didn't happen in the 1930's (when it was warmer) it didn't happen in the MWP (when it was way warmer, and it didn't happen during the RWP (when it was likewise way warmer). I say get a team down there and cap the plumes at their source and start generating some power with it!

10,000 sq. miles. A square one hundred miles on the side. And in this small area, they found over 100 of these plumes. Some exceeding 1/2 mile wide.

If you have a reasonable way of capping this, patent it. It will be a real money maker, and a boon to us all.

However, returning to reality, last year, they were looking at some plumes 100 meters across. And ten years ago, they were measuring methane in solution in the ocean, and the increase in percentage of methane in the air above the oceans. This is releases on an order of magnitude in the space of a year. That is correct, they did not have these plumes in the MWP when it was not warmer than at present. And it was not warmer the world over in the '30's, only in the continental US.

Methane, once it is in the atmosphere, for the first 20 years is over 60 times as effective of a greenhouse gas as CO2. The higher the percentage of methane in the atmosphere, the longer this more effective period lasts. In other words, an addition of 1 ppm would be the equivelant of an increase of over 60 ppm of CO2. Even discounting present methane and other GHG increases, that 1 ppm would push us over the equivelant of 450 ppm of CO2.

Going to be interesting to see what happens in 2012 in this region. A major burp, such as that of the Storega Slide of 8000 years ago could provide us with some real entertainment.

Wow, just imagine NONE of this has ever happened before...in the WHOLE 4.5 billion year history of this planet man is in the space of 200 years destroying everything. Man we kick ASS!

 

[westwall]

'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a

The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online

huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed

I thought humans were responsible for the increase of methane in the atmosphere.

Now we're supposed to believe that there is methane that we're not responsible for?

Impossible!!!

Next they'll tell us that termites generate methane that we can't be blamed for as well.

You are one fucking dumb asshole. We warmed the atmosphere and ocean with our GHG emissions. That is why the clathrates are rapidly degrading.

So, what's the average temp in Antarctica? Winter and Summer? Does it ever average above freezing?

 

[westwall]

From Australia, Russia, and the Missouri and Mississippi of the US, we can see that weather events of the magnitude of the past two years spare no one in their path, irregardless of position or wealth.

And Florida saw the same in 2004, 1960, 1845, etc...

Much of the nation saw this in the 1930s with the dustbowl.

Soooo..... ???

So, in the last two years we have seen weather disasters around the world in very rapid succession.

Flooding in Australia: The reality of a secondary peril | Swiss Re - Leading Global Reinsurer

According to Mehlhorn secondary perils have contributed to about 30% of the total insured natural catastrophe losses over the last 30 years on a global level. Insured losses for recent years totaled around USD 10bn annually, which is well above the long term average.

The December 2010 – January 2011 events in Australia underline once again the importance

And this year in just the US, we had 12 Billion+ dollar weather events. Ignore it if you want, it is going to be at your front door eventually.

And there have NEVER been weather disasters in rapid succession before? Really? Dude you need to stop smokin whatever it is you're smoking. 12 Billion in inflated dollars is supposed to impress me?

And how about this you little hypocrite you. If the polluion is so bad then why are you still working for EVRAZ? Hmmm? You pollute, by yourself, more then all of the people on this forum at any particular time of day. What have you got to say for yourself?

 

[wirebender]

Here are a few links from peer reviewed papers from all over the world (including Antarctica) that show the MWP was global and warmer then the current day.

But mann made a hockey stick......and the bristlecone pines......and the single most important tree in the world...and hansen supported man and his hockey stick.

 

[wirebender]

So, in the last two years we have seen weather disasters around the world in very rapid succession.

Here, have yourself a little shot of reality and stop wringing your hands.

World&#8217;s Top Climate Scientist Fails At Climate History | Real Science

 

[SAT2]

Wow, just imagine NONE of this has ever happened before...in the WHOLE 4.5 billion year history of this planet man is in the space of 200 years destroying everything. Man we kick ASS!

Give me a time when man has made more rapid, major alterations to the natural world than in the last 200 years.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Mann, OR and EnviroMarxists want to turn us into North Korea at night

 

[konradv]

Jeez, it didn't happen in the 1930's (when it was warmer) it didn't happen in the MWP (when it was way warmer, and it didn't happen during the RWP (when it was likewise way warmer). I say get a team down there and cap the plumes at their source and start generating some power with it!

10,000 sq. miles. A square one hundred miles on the side. And in this small area, they found over 100 of these plumes. Some exceeding 1/2 mile wide.

If you have a reasonable way of capping this, patent it. It will be a real money maker, and a boon to us all.

However, returning to reality, last year, they were looking at some plumes 100 meters across. And ten years ago, they were measuring methane in solution in the ocean, and the increase in percentage of methane in the air above the oceans. This is releases on an order of magnitude in the space of a year. That is correct, they did not have these plumes in the MWP when it was not warmer than at present. And it was not warmer the world over in the '30's, only in the continental US.

Methane, once it is in the atmosphere, for the first 20 years is over 60 times as effective of a greenhouse gas as CO2. The higher the percentage of methane in the atmosphere, the longer this more effective period lasts. In other words, an addition of 1 ppm would be the equivelant of an increase of over 60 ppm of CO2. Even discounting present methane and other GHG increases, that 1 ppm would push us over the equivelant of 450 ppm of CO2.

Going to be interesting to see what happens in 2012 in this region. A major burp, such as that of the Storega Slide of 8000 years ago could provide us with some real entertainment.

Wow, just imagine NONE of this has ever happened before...in the WHOLE 4.5 billion year history of this planet man is in the space of 200 years destroying everything. Man we kick ASS!

WOW!!! Just imagine that we're expected to fall for this line of reasoning..., AGAIN!!! It isn't about whether or not it's happened before, but how fast and WHY!!! Doesn't everyone see right through that particular logical fallacy by now?!?!

 

[editec]

Of course methane has and will continue to bubble ip from the ocean's floors naturally.

That will happen if the climate remains the same.

But if the methane that is trapped as ICE on the oceans floors is relased in masive amounts?

Well kids, that really could trigger events that rapid change the nature of the earth's atmosphere.

DID YOU KNOW that one theory about the Burmuda triangle is that occassionally massive methane plumes erupt causing boats which happen to be crursing over that site to instantly sink?

Interesting theory, eh?

Of course if a methane plume is large enough that is exactly what would happen to boat crusing over it.

 

[asterism]

From Australia, Russia, and the Missouri and Mississippi of the US, we can see that weather events of the magnitude of the past two years spare no one in their path, irregardless of position or wealth.

And Florida saw the same in 2004, 1960, 1845, etc...

Much of the nation saw this in the 1930s with the dustbowl.

Soooo..... ???

So, in the last two years we have seen weather disasters around the world in very rapid succession.

Flooding in Australia: The reality of a secondary peril | Swiss Re - Leading Global Reinsurer

According to Mehlhorn secondary perils have contributed to about 30% of the total insured natural catastrophe losses over the last 30 years on a global level. Insured losses for recent years totaled around USD 10bn annually, which is well above the long term average.

The December 2010 – January 2011 events in Australia underline once again the importance

And this year in just the US, we had 12 Billion+ dollar weather events. Ignore it if you want, it is going to be at your front door eventually.

It already is at my front door since I live in Florida, a place that has been ravaged by hurricanes, flooding, and tornadoes for much longer than the current rise in CO2 emissions.

I'm aware that weather catastrophes are expensive. Inflation, increased development, and stronger building codes all cause the costs to rise.

 

[Trajan]

'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a

The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice - a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide | Mail Online

well, looks like it time to blow up the sea floor or whatever geological formation that is responsible for this, they are fuking up up the environment, maybe the UN can start a fund?............