Fossil fuel production on federal land at lowest level in 9 years.

[Dick Tuck]

The president is right, and you are full of shit.

right about what?

and how is he full of shit?

The President is correct that oil production is up. The originators and assmonkey followers are full of shit when they claimed, in their circle jerk, that he lied.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Campaign Credits Obama For Increasing Production Of Domestic Oil | RealClearPolitics

Oh, look. Dickless is lying yet again.

OK:

1. That link doesn't work. RealClearPolitics apparently didn't have the licensing for the link they used.

But,

2. If you look at this link:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG0evk8Iad8]U.S. Oil Production is Up: President Obama's Energy Record - YouTube[/ame]

Which does work, it specifically does not credit President Obama's policies.

It specifically says that "Oil Production is up under President Obama" and then goes on to tout his proposed energy strategy.

Misleading? Perhaps, if one doesn't actually listen to what is said.

A lie? No, not at all.

so when he tells a townhall we are drilling like crazy and production is up, how would you classify that statement?becasue your 'explanation' is pretty thin, I 'listened' to WHAT was said, misleading? perhaps??????? really? perhaps??please...

Not misleading. It's factually based, with no lies of omission. What it does put to lie is the GOP talking point that gas prices are high because Obama has cut production.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why would oil companies want to increase output and push down prices at this point?

Did Americans stop buying gas when it hit 4 bucks?

You could open every square inch of the US for oil drilling and what will the drillers do? They'll find the oil, drill it, cap it, and sit on it. They'll dole it out just enough to meet demand without driving down prices as long as people are buying.

That's an interesting point. Most states are losing money these days because of more efficient vehicles. Our collective oil consumption is lower today than it was 40 years ago. But we're less than 10% of world demand.

Our refineries are exporting gasoline. They don't have lower prices here to sell product because they can sell it overseas.

 

[bripat9643]

Our refineries are exporting gasoline. They don't have lower prices here to sell product because they can sell it overseas.

They are importing crude and then exporting the result because they have excess capacity. It has no connection with domestic production of oil or the local price of gasoline, you dumb fucking nimrod.

 

[Trajan]

Why would oil companies want to increase output and push down prices at this point?

Did Americans stop buying gas when it hit 4 bucks?

You could open every square inch of the US for oil drilling and what will the drillers do? They'll find the oil, drill it, cap it, and sit on it. They'll dole it out just enough to meet demand without driving down prices as long as people are buying.

That's an interesting point. Most states are losing money these days because of more efficient vehicles. Our collective oil consumption is lower today than it was 40 years ago. But we're less than 10% of world demand.

wtf??




Oil Consumption in the United States, 1950-2010

Year Consumption*
Million Barrels per Day

1950 6.46
1951 7.02
1952 7.27
1953 7.60
1954 7.76
1955 8.46
1956 8.78
1957 8.81
1958 9.12
1959 9.53
1960 9.80
1961 9.98
1962 10.40
1963 10.74
1964 11.02
1965 11.51
1966 12.08
1967 12.56
1968 13.39
1969 14.14
1970 14.70
1971 15.21
1972 16.37
1973 17.31
1974 16.65
1975 16.32
1976 17.46
1977 18.43
1978 18.85
1979 18.51
1980 17.06
1981 16.06
1982 15.30
1983 15.23
1984 15.73
1985 15.73
1986 16.28
1987 16.67
1988 17.28
1989 17.33
1990 16.99
1991 16.71
1992 17.03
1993 17.24
1994 17.72
1995 17.72
1996 18.31
1997 18.62
1998 18.92
1999 19.52
2000 19.70
2001 19.65
2002 19.76
2003 20.03
2004 20.73
2005 20.80
2006 20.69
2007 20.68
2008 19.50
2009 18.77
2010 ** 18.93

* Includes ethanol, distillate fuel oil, residual fuel oil, petrochemical feedstocks, asphalt, and other petroleum products. For the full list of included items, see U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), Energy Information Administration (EIA), "Petroleum Navigator: Definitions, Sources and Explanatory Notes," at Table Definitions, Sources, and Explanatory Notes.

** Consumption for 2010 is a projection.

Source: 1950-2005 from "Petroleum Products Supplied by Type, 1949-2008," Table 5.11 in DOE, EIA, "Annual Energy Review: Petroleum," at Total Energy - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 26 June 2009; 2006-2010 from DOE, EIA, "Short Term Energy Outlook," at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 8 September 2010.

This is part of a supporting dataset for Lester R. Brown, World on the Edge: How to Prevent Environmental and Economic Collapse (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2011). For more information and a free download of the book, see Earth Policy Institute on-line at Earth Policy Institute ? Building a Sustainable Future | Home.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...680gkRJ05DO6Th0jQ&sig2=LfN7SPtY-jBQg1iP2UPPBw

 

[Trajan]

OK:

1. That link doesn't work. RealClearPolitics apparently didn't have the licensing for the link they used.

But,

2. If you look at this link:

U.S. Oil Production is Up: President Obama's Energy Record - YouTube

Which does work, it specifically does not credit President Obama's policies.

It specifically says that "Oil Production is up under President Obama" and then goes on to tout his proposed energy strategy.

Misleading? Perhaps, if one doesn't actually listen to what is said.

A lie? No, not at all.

so when he tells a townhall we are drilling like crazy and production is up, how would you classify that statement?becasue your 'explanation' is pretty thin, I 'listened' to WHAT was said, misleading? perhaps??????? really? perhaps??please...

Not misleading. It's factually based, with no lies of omission.

its always interesting and generally sad to see just how from someone will go to guild a pile of horsehockey.

in your terms then, gross- mischaracterization is a word/term that should be pulled for the dictionary.

What it does put to lie is the GOP talking point that gas prices are high because Obama has cut production.

oh but it says that though........your desperation is sad, seriously.

 

[Syphon]

Why would oil companies want to increase output and push down prices at this point?

Did Americans stop buying gas when it hit 4 bucks?

You could open every square inch of the US for oil drilling and what will the drillers do? They'll find the oil, drill it, cap it, and sit on it. They'll dole it out just enough to meet demand without driving down prices as long as people are buying.

That's an interesting point. Most states are losing money these days because of more efficient vehicles. Our collective oil consumption is lower today than it was 40 years ago. But we're less than 10% of world demand.

wtf??




Oil Consumption in the United States, 1950-2010

Year Consumption*
Million Barrels per Day

1950 6.46
1951 7.02
1952 7.27
1953 7.60
1954 7.76
1955 8.46
1956 8.78
1957 8.81
1958 9.12
1959 9.53
1960 9.80
1961 9.98
1962 10.40
1963 10.74
1964 11.02
1965 11.51
1966 12.08
1967 12.56
1968 13.39
1969 14.14
1970 14.70
1971 15.21
1972 16.37
1973 17.31
1974 16.65
1975 16.32
1976 17.46
1977 18.43
1978 18.85
1979 18.51
1980 17.06
1981 16.06
1982 15.30
1983 15.23
1984 15.73
1985 15.73
1986 16.28
1987 16.67
1988 17.28
1989 17.33
1990 16.99
1991 16.71
1992 17.03
1993 17.24
1994 17.72
1995 17.72
1996 18.31
1997 18.62
1998 18.92
1999 19.52
2000 19.70
2001 19.65
2002 19.76
2003 20.03
2004 20.73
2005 20.80
2006 20.69
2007 20.68
2008 19.50
2009 18.77
2010 ** 18.93

* Includes ethanol, distillate fuel oil, residual fuel oil, petrochemical feedstocks, asphalt, and other petroleum products. For the full list of included items, see U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), Energy Information Administration (EIA), "Petroleum Navigator: Definitions, Sources and Explanatory Notes," at Table Definitions, Sources, and Explanatory Notes.

** Consumption for 2010 is a projection.

Source: 1950-2005 from "Petroleum Products Supplied by Type, 1949-2008," Table 5.11 in DOE, EIA, "Annual Energy Review: Petroleum," at Total Energy - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 26 June 2009; 2006-2010 from DOE, EIA, "Short Term Energy Outlook," at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 8 September 2010.

This is part of a supporting dataset for Lester R. Brown, World on the Edge: How to Prevent Environmental and Economic Collapse (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2011). For more information and a free download of the book, see Earth Policy Institute on-line at Earth Policy Institute ? Building a Sustainable Future | Home.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...680gkRJ05DO6Th0jQ&sig2=LfN7SPtY-jBQg1iP2UPPBw

using raw number, obviously the number of barrels has gone up since the population has increased.

but the percentage of world oil the US uses has actually gone down due to more fuel efficient cars and better technology.

so technically you are both right, depending on how you look at it.

 

[Trajan]

In other words, the president did not lie, at all. He simply stated facts.

thank you Dr. Goebbels.


let me ask you a question- if you had or do have; would you encourage your children to frame statements in this manner?

 

[Trajan]

That's an interesting point. Most states are losing money these days because of more efficient vehicles. Our collective oil consumption is lower today than it was 40 years ago. But we're less than 10% of world demand.

wtf??




Oil Consumption in the United States, 1950-2010

Year Consumption*
Million Barrels per Day

1950 6.46
1951 7.02
1952 7.27
1953 7.60
1954 7.76
1955 8.46
1956 8.78
1957 8.81
1958 9.12
1959 9.53
1960 9.80
1961 9.98
1962 10.40
1963 10.74
1964 11.02
1965 11.51
1966 12.08
1967 12.56
1968 13.39
1969 14.14
1970 14.70
1971 15.21
1972 16.37
1973 17.31
1974 16.65
1975 16.32
1976 17.46
1977 18.43
1978 18.85
1979 18.51
1980 17.06
1981 16.06
1982 15.30
1983 15.23
1984 15.73
1985 15.73
1986 16.28
1987 16.67
1988 17.28
1989 17.33
1990 16.99
1991 16.71
1992 17.03
1993 17.24
1994 17.72
1995 17.72
1996 18.31
1997 18.62
1998 18.92
1999 19.52
2000 19.70
2001 19.65
2002 19.76
2003 20.03
2004 20.73
2005 20.80
2006 20.69
2007 20.68
2008 19.50
2009 18.77
2010 ** 18.93

* Includes ethanol, distillate fuel oil, residual fuel oil, petrochemical feedstocks, asphalt, and other petroleum products. For the full list of included items, see U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), Energy Information Administration (EIA), "Petroleum Navigator: Definitions, Sources and Explanatory Notes," at Table Definitions, Sources, and Explanatory Notes.

** Consumption for 2010 is a projection.

Source: 1950-2005 from "Petroleum Products Supplied by Type, 1949-2008," Table 5.11 in DOE, EIA, "Annual Energy Review: Petroleum," at Total Energy - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 26 June 2009; 2006-2010 from DOE, EIA, "Short Term Energy Outlook," at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), updated 8 September 2010.

This is part of a supporting dataset for Lester R. Brown, World on the Edge: How to Prevent Environmental and Economic Collapse (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2011). For more information and a free download of the book, see Earth Policy Institute on-line at Earth Policy Institute ? Building a Sustainable Future | Home.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...680gkRJ05DO6Th0jQ&sig2=LfN7SPtY-jBQg1iP2UPPBw

using raw number, obviously the number of barrels has gone up since the population has increased.

but the percentage of world oil the US uses has actually gone down due to more fuel efficient cars and better technology.

so technically you are both right, depending on how you look at it.

excuse me, technically? we are not using less than we were 40 years ago. he didn't couch this in terms of per capita use.

 

[daveman]

Campaign Credits Obama For Increasing Production Of Domestic Oil | RealClearPolitics

Oh, look. Dickless is lying yet again.

OK:

1. That link doesn't work. RealClearPolitics apparently didn't have the licensing for the link they used.

But,

2. If you look at this link:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG0evk8Iad8]U.S. Oil Production is Up: President Obama's Energy Record - YouTube[/ame]

Which does work, it specifically does not credit President Obama's policies.

It specifically says that "Oil Production is up under President Obama" and then goes on to tout his proposed energy strategy.

Misleading? Perhaps, if one doesn't actually listen to what is said.

A lie? No, not at all.

Uh huh.

Yes, it's a lie, all right. The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama.

 

[Vast LWC]

Yes, it's a lie, all right. The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama.

Well... Then point out where it says that Obama made it happen.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Our refineries are exporting gasoline. They don't have lower prices here to sell product because they can sell it overseas.

They are importing crude and then exporting the result because they have excess capacity. It has no connection with domestic production of oil or the local price of gasoline, you dumb fucking nimrod.

It has a LOT to do with the local price of gas. If they can export it they don't have to try to sell it here. That decreases supply here.

 

[daveman]

Yes, it's a lie, all right. The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama.

Well... Then point out where it says that Obama made it happen.

"The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama."

This is undeniable.

 

[Vast LWC]

Yes, it's a lie, all right. The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama.

Well... Then point out where it says that Obama made it happen.

"The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama."

This is undeniable.

So... It doesn't say that.

You just got the impression that it did.

And that makes it Obama's fault, how?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The president is right, and you are full of shit.

Not true, he boast about oil production, but those where started under GWB on PRIVATE LAND!

He has done everything to stifle drilling on public lands for 3 years and that is why oil prices are where they are!

Kindly reconcile your baseless opinion with the fact that for the first time in many decades, the US was a net exporter of oil.

Kindly keep your facts straight, we are exporting more gas than we consume, not oil. Are you as confused as Obama about the difference?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Private drilling is up, gulf drilling is up. Our importing is down 10%.
Federal drilling is down.

Stop cherry picking.

Gulf drilling is federal.

Care to source that claim?

It came from my head. Care to find a source external to my head that proves me wrong?

 

[daveman]

Well... Then point out where it says that Obama made it happen.

"The ad definitely wants the viewer to credit Obama."

This is undeniable.

So... It doesn't say that.

You just got the impression that it did.

And that makes it Obama's fault, how?

It's Obama's campaign.

I knew someone would trot out "It's not Obama's fault his campaign is misleading people!"

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And Obama had ZERO to do with the exportation...that was his predecessor Dickface...and Obama is taking credit for it.

I'm suprised he didn't shut that down as well.

*Idiot*

Is production higher than it was previously, or not?

Simple question.

Obama never "took credit" for it. He simply pointed out that critics, like you, who claimed that production was down, were either incorrect, or lying.

Let me see if I understand your position, "Under my administration..." blah blah blah he wasn't trying to take credit, he was impartially stating facts.

 

[daveman]

And Obama had ZERO to do with the exportation...that was his predecessor Dickface...and Obama is taking credit for it.

I'm suprised he didn't shut that down as well.

*Idiot*

Is production higher than it was previously, or not?

Simple question.

Obama never "took credit" for it. He simply pointed out that critics, like you, who claimed that production was down, were either incorrect, or lying.

Let me see if I understand your position, "Under my administration..." blah blah blah he wasn't trying to take credit, he was impartially stating facts.

And impartial statements of fact are so prevalent in campaign ads.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

if the GOP told you the moon was really red, you would believe them.

Wrong. Unlike Obamabots, I can think for myself.

Give it shot. It's fun!

The fact remains pissant. This thread is based on a lie, and all you and your ilk can do is attack those who provide the proof.

What lie? Fossil fuel production on federal lands are down, Obama does not control what happens on private/state lands. Two simple statements that are both factual. If they aren't, feel free to prove either, or both, wrong.