Former Secret Service Agent Issues ‘Challenge’ to Liberals

[P@triot]

You don't like my response to that set up question of yours

So for starters - it's not your "response". It was Dick Cheney's. The fact that you feel the need to go to Dick Cheney for your information and ideas is fall down hilarious.

Second - it was not my "question". It was posed by former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino.

You're so stupid and scared to engage in discussion that you can't even figure out who is answering questions and who is answering them...

You mean who is asking questions and who is answering them?

The question was posed by Dan Bongino. ThoughtCrimes wants to claim that I asked the question (I didn't - I merely linked to the story and posted his questions).

Each person was supposed to give their own answer. Instead, ThoughtCrimes (being one of the great thinkers of our generation ) went out and looked up an answer from Dick Cheney about Dick's position on debt.

In other words, ThoughtCrimes (who, God Bless him, is about as slow as they come and probably requires an adult to help him use a computer) has no idea who asked the questions and who answered them. He believes he gave an answer (when all he did was quote Dick Cheney - it was Dick that gave the answer).

See, I obliterated TC so badly on the U.S. Constitution in another thread that now he has to cross his legs to stop from peeing down himself when I ask something. He's so afraid to answer basic questions because they leave him no wiggle room to reverse course and claim something else. So his technique is to use quotes from others that don't even apply to the topic at hand, fill 10 pages worth, and pray that nobody takes the time to read everything throughly and call him out on it. Unfortunately for him, I did. And, well, now he's my bitch. In that prison cell kind of way.

 

[P@triot]

why does his former employment matter?

Why doesn't it?

 

[Lewdog]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

 

[P@triot]

Why is he lecturing "liberals ". ? Where is the GOP looking to lower the debt?

Two unfunded decades long wars ? Medicare part d? Increased military spending and war actions? 1400 mile long walls? Imprisoning all illegals ?

Which of these lowers the debt ?

I love the term "unfunded" wars. The last time I checked, we fully fund defense in each and every budget (except when the Dumbocrats are in charge and Harry Reid goes 8 years without passing a budget) and it is also the Constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

Medicare "part D"? Well, it was Lyndon B. Johnson and the Dumbocrats who created, passed, and implemented Medicare in 1967. Just like Obamacare, the Republican's warned how that kind of stupid socialism would end up. And just like Obamacare, the Dumbocrats ignored them. Sorry, you are now 0-2 on your argument.

No wall has been built yet. You're now 0-3. Plus, even though Bush did attempt a "virtual" wall, again, defense is the Constitutional responsibility of the federal government. If your local municipality were in financial trouble, would you seriously attempt to make the case that the entire police department should be cut? We both know you wouldn't. 0-3 now.

"Imprisoning illegals"? Again, if your local municipality were in financial trouble, would you seriously attempt to make the case that nobody should be arrested as it would save money to shut down jails and not have to feed and house criminals? We both know you wouldn't. 0-4 now.

So now that we past the nonsensical stuff - would you like to be a big boy and have a real conversation about this? The wording is also poorly chosen. The problem is not Democrat and Republican. The problem is - liberals (like RINO George Bush) spend like drunken sailors, while true conservatives act like the only adults in the room. You can call out Republican's all day - and more than likely, I'll agree with you. But each one of them will almost certainly be liberals.

 

[Dale Smith]

2. What is the safe limit for government debt?

According to a very prominent conservative, an avowed Neocon and a plank owning PNAC member, that would be UNLIMITED. As the Dick Cheney so brilliantly stated back in 2002, "Deficits don't matter." Well, deficits are the largest contributor growing the debt and if deficits don't matter like that Great Conservative said, hey, it don't matter, and note I said not a word about Bush and Co. more than doubling the debt during their tenure.

It's a very simple question. But then again, you've proven over and over in a thread on the Constitution that you are incapable of answering simple questions because they prove you wrong.

So I'll give you another shot:

2. What is the safe limit for government debt?

Just a number will do fine. No need to talk about your homosexual feeling toward Dick Cheney, or policies of Barack Obama, yada, yada, yada. Just a simple number.

First off you lying sack, All those questions were answered, but you just didn't care for the responses because I wasn't going to play your childish grammar school rhetorical games. Secondly, I gave a response to the question, and that was the Dick Cheney said that, "Deficits don't matter." Again an answer you didn't want because it throws a monkey wrench into your game playing, idiotic schemes!

I have never seen anyone more scared of issue than you. You avoid simple questions like the plague because they leave you no room to wiggle out and run later on...

But at least it does show that you're smart enough to know that you're too dumb to debate the issues. That's saying something! A lot of people on your side are too dumb to even know that they are too dumb to debate the issues.

You never debate a damn thing. You put out your unsubstantiated opinions, call them facts, ignore actual substantiated facts from authoritative sources with bluster and taunts, declare yourself the victor and take victory laps. All the time ignoring the fact that your position has been eviscerated and soundly put down. It's enough for me to know your just a loser and a bag of hot air, OH self-proclaimed Constitutional expert!

You don't like my response to that set up question of yours that you lifted from that POS Blaze article, which was NOT the primary source? Tough shit! Deal with it or go piss up a rope! You choose which or go ask your mommy!

Why would only liberals have to answer? Liberals have a better record of managing the national debt.

Shit, you don't even have a fucking clue as to WHY we even have a national debt....you don't have a fucking clue about anything...you wave your little rainbow colored "demcrat" flag and spew bullshit. You are one incredibly stupid motherfucker.......seriously. As soon as I see you have posted in a thread, I put on the cyber boots because it's gonna get deep.

 

[imawhosure]

why does his former employment matter?

Why doesn't it?

Come on dude! You know as well as I do that no 2nd grade edumacated lefty will touch those questions with a ten foot pole. They lose no matter how they answer them, because they either look anti American, or throw their leaders under the bus.

You need to understand that most lefties already know you are correct, but you being correct means they can't have their way, so they have to pretend-and-or-ignore questions that put them on the defensive; even ones that should be easy to answer if you place limits on yourself and behavior.

Never fear though, soon you will get reasonably straight answers from them, because you won't be able to stop them. They will just tell you like it is...........screw you, it is whatever we say it is, and if you don't like it, tough!

 

[P@triot]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

 

[P@triot]

According to a very prominent conservative, an avowed Neocon and a plank owning PNAC member, that would be UNLIMITED. As the Dick Cheney so brilliantly stated back in 2002, "Deficits don't matter." Well, deficits are the largest contributor growing the debt and if deficits don't matter like that Great Conservative said, hey, it don't matter, and note I said not a word about Bush and Co. more than doubling the debt during their tenure.

It's a very simple question. But then again, you've proven over and over in a thread on the Constitution that you are incapable of answering simple questions because they prove you wrong.

So I'll give you another shot:

2. What is the safe limit for government debt?

Just a number will do fine. No need to talk about your homosexual feeling toward Dick Cheney, or policies of Barack Obama, yada, yada, yada. Just a simple number.

First off you lying sack, All those questions were answered, but you just didn't care for the responses because I wasn't going to play your childish grammar school rhetorical games. Secondly, I gave a response to the question, and that was the Dick Cheney said that, "Deficits don't matter." Again an answer you didn't want because it throws a monkey wrench into your game playing, idiotic schemes!

I have never seen anyone more scared of issue than you. You avoid simple questions like the plague because they leave you no room to wiggle out and run later on...

But at least it does show that you're smart enough to know that you're too dumb to debate the issues. That's saying something! A lot of people on your side are too dumb to even know that they are too dumb to debate the issues.

You never debate a damn thing. You put out your unsubstantiated opinions, call them facts, ignore actual substantiated facts from authoritative sources with bluster and taunts, declare yourself the victor and take victory laps. All the time ignoring the fact that your position has been eviscerated and soundly put down. It's enough for me to know your just a loser and a bag of hot air, OH self-proclaimed Constitutional expert!

You don't like my response to that set up question of yours that you lifted from that POS Blaze article, which was NOT the primary source? Tough shit! Deal with it or go piss up a rope! You choose which or go ask your mommy!

Why would only liberals have to answer? Liberals have a better record of managing the national debt.

Shit, you don't even have a fucking clue as to WHY we even have a national debt....you don't have a fucking clue about anything...you wave your little rainbow colored "demcrat" flag and spew bullshit. You are one incredibly stupid motherfucker.......seriously. As soon as I see you have posted in a thread, I put on the cyber boots because it's gonna get deep.

Thank you Dale. TC really is a piece of work. He runs like a coward at a basic question because he knows he can't wiggle out of it. It shows that he's not only wrong, but also disingenuous (because if you know you're wrong, then why continue?). Then he gets angry and starts swearing like an idiot because he knows he's been defeated.

 

[Dale Smith]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

It's a very simple question. But then again, you've proven over and over in a thread on the Constitution that you are incapable of answering simple questions because they prove you wrong.

So I'll give you another shot:

2. What is the safe limit for government debt?

Just a number will do fine. No need to talk about your homosexual feeling toward Dick Cheney, or policies of Barack Obama, yada, yada, yada. Just a simple number.

First off you lying sack, All those questions were answered, but you just didn't care for the responses because I wasn't going to play your childish grammar school rhetorical games. Secondly, I gave a response to the question, and that was the Dick Cheney said that, "Deficits don't matter." Again an answer you didn't want because it throws a monkey wrench into your game playing, idiotic schemes!

I have never seen anyone more scared of issue than you. You avoid simple questions like the plague because they leave you no room to wiggle out and run later on...

But at least it does show that you're smart enough to know that you're too dumb to debate the issues. That's saying something! A lot of people on your side are too dumb to even know that they are too dumb to debate the issues.

You never debate a damn thing. You put out your unsubstantiated opinions, call them facts, ignore actual substantiated facts from authoritative sources with bluster and taunts, declare yourself the victor and take victory laps. All the time ignoring the fact that your position has been eviscerated and soundly put down. It's enough for me to know your just a loser and a bag of hot air, OH self-proclaimed Constitutional expert!

You don't like my response to that set up question of yours that you lifted from that POS Blaze article, which was NOT the primary source? Tough shit! Deal with it or go piss up a rope! You choose which or go ask your mommy!

Why would only liberals have to answer? Liberals have a better record of managing the national debt.

Shit, you don't even have a fucking clue as to WHY we even have a national debt....you don't have a fucking clue about anything...you wave your little rainbow colored "demcrat" flag and spew bullshit. You are one incredibly stupid motherfucker.......seriously. As soon as I see you have posted in a thread, I put on the cyber boots because it's gonna get deep.

Thank you Dale. TC really is a piece of work. He runs like a coward at a basic question because he knows he can't wiggle out of it. It shows that he's not only wrong, but also disingenuous (because if you know you're wrong, then why continue?). Then he gets angry and starts swearing like an idiot because he knows he's been defeated.

I have tried to wake him up as to what is going on but he prefers to remain stupid. I don't even try to debate him anymore....now I simply insult him when I see him on a thread like yours where you ask hard, honest questions.

 

[Lewdog]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

That's not entirely true, as he was only in office for a 8 months of that fiscal year, and wasn't even responsible for creating that annual budget. So how can you blame 2009 on him?

 

[P@triot]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

That's not entirely true, as he was only in office for a 8 months of that fiscal year, and wasn't even responsible for creating that annual budget. So how can you blame 2009 on him?

Because the budget is not what spends beyond the budget. The person sitting behind the Resolute Desk authorizing the spending beyond the budget is what creates the debt.

 

[P@triot]

I have tried to wake him up as to what is going on but he prefers to remain stupid. I don't even try to debate him anymore....now I simply insult him when I see him on a thread like yours where you ask hard, honest questions.

Well there certainly is no "educating" people like him. I just don't understand why he feels the need to jump in when he doesn't want to answer the questions. I guess the little man with the inferiority complex is just looking to get a rise out of people? I mean, why jump in a thread of you're not going to answer the questions posed?

 

[Care4all]

Why is he/she a former Secret Service Agent?

and what does what he ask have to do with him being a former secret service agent? His questions have nothing at all...nada, zip to do with a former job???

And maybe he should be asking TRUMP supporters and Trump those questions....eh?

 

[P@triot]

why does his former employment matter?

Why doesn't it?

Come on dude! You know as well as I do that no 2nd grade edumacated lefty will touch those questions with a ten foot pole. They lose no matter how they answer them, because they either look anti American, or throw their leaders under the bus.

You need to understand that most lefties already know you are correct, but you being correct means they can't have their way, so they have to pretend-and-or-ignore questions that put them on the defensive; even ones that should be easy to answer if you place limits on yourself and behavior.

Never fear though, soon you will get reasonably straight answers from them, because you won't be able to stop them. They will just tell you like it is...........screw you, it is whatever we say it is, and if you don't like it, tough!

Good point. My bad. I don't know why I thought I could engage the mentally stunted on the battlefield of ideas.

 

[P@triot]

Why is he/she a former Secret Service Agent?

and what does what he ask have to do with him being a former secret service agent? His questions have nothing at all...nada, zip to do with a former job???

And maybe he should be asking TRUMP supporters and Trump those questions....eh?

Oh I can *guarantee* you that he will not only ask Trump those questions, he will be Trump's harshest critic. Far beyond anything MSNBC says about Trump.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Cool story...he got caught in the prostitute scandal?

Did you recognize him as one of your Johns?

 

[Lewdog]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

That's not entirely true, as he was only in office for a 8 months of that fiscal year, and wasn't even responsible for creating that annual budget. So how can you blame 2009 on him?

Because the budget is not what spends beyond the budget. The person sitting behind the Resolute Desk authorizing the spending beyond the budget is what creates the debt.

Not what spends beyond the budget? So what exactly are you saying that Obama spent so much money on beyond the budget? Now you need to be specific here, and you need to provide items that do not need to be approved by the Republican Congress beforehand. Otherwise all the stuff you list will be blood that is not just on Obama's hands but that of both parties.

 

[Dale Smith]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

That's not entirely true, as he was only in office for a 8 months of that fiscal year, and wasn't even responsible for creating that annual budget. So how can you blame 2009 on him?

You do understand the debt owed to the Fed bankers is the responsibility of USA.INC and not us...right? USA.INC is a private corporation that was taken into receivership by the IMF with the 1950 bankruptcy after the Fed bankers bankrupted USA.INC after taking it into recievership wiht the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of 1933 where they confiscated the nation's gold. I am not employed by USA.INC....are you? USA.INC was created to provide the 19 essential services of "gubermint" and they did it as a "for profit" venture but duped us into being responsible for the bill while skimming off the top thus the reason they run a deficit while amassing HUGE sums of wealth because they can pass their bookkeeping losses off on us. The CAFR is the "mack daddy", holy grail, mother lode of information where ALL corporations have to fill one out. Everything this "gubermint" provides is incorporated...even the Supreme Court is incorporated, The FBI is incorporated and why is that significant? Because if you are incorporated, you are under the Universal Commercial Code and admiralty law. Every state is "incorporated and a subsidiary of USA.INC...ALMOST every city, town and county is incorporated and they are subsidiaries of the state which like I said is a subsidiary of USA.INC whose headquarters are in the city/state that is Washington D.C. We have been made debt slaves to this massive corporate entity because we unknowingly gave them our consent through cohesion contracts that we didn't even realize that we were making. Our ignorance of how things REALLY are is why they have been able to get away with robbing us blind...so fuck Barrypuppet and all the other corporate officers that try to tell us they they "represent us"...these barristers have only one entity that they have to be loyal to and that is what is in the best interest of USA.INC which has been owned by international bankers since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

Can you handle the truth? Because there it is...laid out for you in short form.

 

[Lewdog]

He feels that too many people view him negatively despite the fact that the overall debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President.

When Barack Obama was sworn into office, the national debt stood at a little over $10 trillion. Today, it is closing in on $20 trillion. He spent more in deficit spending during his first term than all U.S. Presidents in history spent during their first term combined. In addition, he has also added almost as much to the debt $9 trillion and counting) in 7 years than it took all U.S. Presidents during all of their terms combined did over 235 years.

So....I can't wait to hear you explain how (and I quote) "the debt of the nation went DOWN during his two terms as President". This......this is going to be goooooood. Seriously Lewdog, I'm not sure I have ever more eagerly awaited a response than I am right now. You have my undivided attention....

Ok let me back peddle a bit here. We are talking about debt... but related to debt is the deficit, which is the difference between what the country collects and what it spends, which is what ultimately contributes to the National debt. With that being said, here is an article from Politifact that says it is "mostly true" that Obama has cut the national deficit by two-thirds during his time as President. Now as I said, I'm not a fan of Obama... but cutting the National deficit by two-thirds, which is basically what is building the National debt, is an accomplishment.

Now, let's not forget, the government shut down, and the contributions to the government budget made by the Republican controlled Congress. So whether you want to blame Obama, or congratulate him, the problem is spread across both parties.

Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office

Well to be honest, I had a feeling you were going there. Deficit. Not debt. But here is the problem - you're buying into the liberal propaganda. You read "since taking office" and assume that means where we were BEFORE taking office (as any rational person would - which is exactly why they word it that way).

But here is what REALLY happened: in his first term (2009), Obama spent trillions upon trillions. It was crazy. Like nothing America has ever seen. To this day, he has deficit spent more each year than any president before him. But it's been less than what he previously did in 2009. And that's the disingenuous bullshit game that Dumbocrats like to play. He cut it 2/3's from HIS own WORST spending. But that 2/3's reduction is still more than any other president before him has spent.

So that would be like me brutally murdering 100 people in 2015. Then telling the American people that I cut crime by 75% because I "only" murdered 25 people in 2016. I've still killed a shit-load of people. I just killed less than I've killed before. That is the "logic" that Obama and the Dumbocrats are trying to sell the American people on (and sadly, it works with most liberals).

That's not entirely true, as he was only in office for a 8 months of that fiscal year, and wasn't even responsible for creating that annual budget. So how can you blame 2009 on him?

You do understand the debt owed to the Fed bankers is the responsibility of USA.INC and not us...right? USA.INC is a private corporation that was taken into receivership by the IMF with the 1950 bankruptcy after the Fed bankers bankrupted USA.INC after taking it into recievership wiht the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of 1933 where they confiscated the nation's gold. I am not employed by USA.INC....are you? USA.INC was created to provide the 19 essential services of "gubermint" and they did it as a "for profit" venture but duped us into being responsible for the bill while skimming off the top thus the reason they run a deficit while amassing HUGE sums of wealth because they can pass their bookkeeping losses off on us. The CAFR is the "mack daddy", holy grail, mother lode of information where ALL corporations have to fill one out. Everything this "gubermint" provides is incorporated...even the Supreme Court is incorporated, The FBI is incorporated and why is that significant? Because if you are incorporated, you are under the Universal Commercial Code and admiralty law. Every state is "incorporated and a subsidiary of USA.INC...ALMOST every city, town and county is incorporated and they are subsidiaries of the state which like I said is a subsidiary of USA.INC whose headquarters are in the city/state that is Washington D.C. We have been made debt slaves to this massive corporate entity because we unknowingly gave them our consent through cohesion contracts that we didn't even realize that we were making. Our ignorance of how things REALLY are is why they have been able to get away with robbing us blind...so fuck Barrypuppet and all the other corporate officers that try to tell us they they "represent us"...these barristers have only one entity that they have to be loyal to and that is what is in the best interest of USA.INC which has been owned by international bankers since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

Can you handle the truth? Because there it is...laid out for you in short form.

Wait, when is the last time you received a bill from China for the debt owed to them? Or from Russia? I've never gotten one... but I have used the health care system, driven on the paved roads, called the police...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why is he/she a former Secret Service Agent?

Because he was disgusted having to provide security to Barack Obama (yes - he was on the Presidential Protection Detail or PPD) after listening to all of Barack lies in public and then hearing what Barack was saying and doing behind closed doors. He wants Constitutional government and he saw and heard Barack usurping the Constitution to form his own new marxist government.

Then glad he stopped being an agent, since their job is to well do their job, not decide who should and shouldn't be protected based on political views.

Great deflection.

Quitting your job because you see your boss (POTUS...or in our case an affirmative action failure) behaving unethically is quite a statement.

Don't cry to much.