For Those Who Don't Understand What Occupy is REALLY About (Obviously LOTS of you)

[dnsmith35]

I know anarchists...I've worked and partied with anarchists...Anarchists are friends of mine.

The occupy douchebaggers are no anarchists.

I disagree. Possibly I spoke too nicely about them and gave them more credit than I should have. They are protesting like anarchists, they behave like anarchists, they smell like anarchists (one of my friends told me they were worse from a sanitary point of view than the festival on the river). Call a spade a spade.

Nonsense....They're protesting like communists.

Real anarchists mind their own business and don't clamor to statist goon politicians to bend to their demands.

Bullcrap, any time there is protest against the perceived powers to be it is anarchism. In this case puny, but that is because they have no organization, no leader and no idea what they want. Essentially they are protesting for the sake of protesting, a common trait of anarchists; no matter how much credit you may have given to anarchism in the past. As you will see if you read a little on the subject there are some who espouse anti-statism, and some who espouse dictatorial statism, and some who expouse socialist statism. The point is they can expouse virtually any political system from total libertarianism to a communist dictatorship but they tend to be arbitrary about anything with which they disagree.

"Published 04:34 03.12.11
Latest update 04:34 03.12.11

Jewish anarchists show Occupy movement that confrontation and consensus may coexist
For most Americans, anarchy remains a synonym for chaos, but the great majority of Occupy Wall Street participants will attest it is no more inherently violent than any other political idea.

Two rituals of protest have largely defined the national Occupy Wall Street movements: on the one hand, tetchy and often violent confrontations with the police; on the other, a democratic commitment to true consensus. These also happen to be the hallmarks of anarchism, a political philosophy with roots dating to the 18th century, which is currently experiencing its widest florescence in the United States in nearly 100 years."

"Due to its links to active workers' movements, the International became a significant organization. Karl Marx became a leading figure in the International and a member of its General Council. Proudhon's followers, the mutualists, opposed Marx's state socialism, advocating political abstentionism and small property holdings.[70][71]"

 

[Contumacious]

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

HUH?

What the fucketh?

Capitalism was stabbed right in its heart in these US of A , circa, 1890.

.

 

[Oddball]

I disagree. Possibly I spoke too nicely about them and gave them more credit than I should have. They are protesting like anarchists, they behave like anarchists, they smell like anarchists (one of my friends told me they were worse from a sanitary point of view than the festival on the river). Call a spade a spade.

Nonsense....They're protesting like communists.

Real anarchists mind their own business and don't clamor to statist goon politicians to bend to their demands.

Bullcrap, any time there is protest against the perceived powers to be it is anarchism. In this case puny, but that is because they have no organization, no leader and no idea what they want. Essentially they are protesting for the sake of protesting, a common trait of anarchists; no matter how much credit you may have given to anarchism in the past. As you will see if you read a little on the subject there are some who espouse anti-statism, and some who espouse dictatorial statism, and some who expouse socialist statism. The point is they can expouse virtually any political system from total libertarianism to a communist dictatorship but they tend to be arbitrary about anything with which they disagree.

"Published 04:34 03.12.11
Latest update 04:34 03.12.11

Jewish anarchists show Occupy movement that confrontation and consensus may coexist
For most Americans, anarchy remains a synonym for chaos, but the great majority of Occupy Wall Street participants will attest it is no more inherently violent than any other political idea.

Two rituals of protest have largely defined the national Occupy Wall Street movements: on the one hand, tetchy and often violent confrontations with the police; on the other, a democratic commitment to true consensus. These also happen to be the hallmarks of anarchism, a political philosophy with roots dating to the 18th century, which is currently experiencing its widest florescence in the United States in nearly 100 years."

"Due to its links to active workers' movements, the International became a significant organization. Karl Marx became a leading figure in the International and a member of its General Council. Proudhon's followers, the mutualists, opposed Marx's state socialism, advocating political abstentionism and small property holdings.[70][71]"

Sorry, Sparky....You don't get to redefine anarchism to fit your bigoted biases.

Marx was a communist, not an anarchist....The OWS douchebaggers are communistic, not anarchists.

 

[dnsmith35]

Nonsense....They're protesting like communists.

Real anarchists mind their own business and don't clamor to statist goon politicians to bend to their demands.

Bullcrap, any time there is protest against the perceived powers to be it is anarchism. In this case puny, but that is because they have no organization, no leader and no idea what they want. Essentially they are protesting for the sake of protesting, a common trait of anarchists; no matter how much credit you may have given to anarchism in the past. As you will see if you read a little on the subject there are some who espouse anti-statism, and some who espouse dictatorial statism, and some who expouse socialist statism. The point is they can expouse virtually any political system from total libertarianism to a communist dictatorship but they tend to be arbitrary about anything with which they disagree.

"Published 04:34 03.12.11
Latest update 04:34 03.12.11

Jewish anarchists show Occupy movement that confrontation and consensus may coexist
For most Americans, anarchy remains a synonym for chaos, but the great majority of Occupy Wall Street participants will attest it is no more inherently violent than any other political idea.

Two rituals of protest have largely defined the national Occupy Wall Street movements: on the one hand, tetchy and often violent confrontations with the police; on the other, a democratic commitment to true consensus. These also happen to be the hallmarks of anarchism, a political philosophy with roots dating to the 18th century, which is currently experiencing its widest florescence in the United States in nearly 100 years."

"Due to its links to active workers' movements, the International became a significant organization. Karl Marx became a leading figure in the International and a member of its General Council. Proudhon's followers, the mutualists, opposed Marx's state socialism, advocating political abstentionism and small property holdings.[70][71]"

Sorry, Sparky....You don't get to redefine anarchism to fit your bigoted biases.

Marx was a communist, not an anarchist....The OWS douchebaggers are communistic, not anarchists.

I am not redefining anything. There were two quotes from reputable authority which define anarchism as either an anti-statist or a statist dictatorship. Written by the experts. You should study a little before you make such an arbitrary and incorrect assertion.

 

[Oddball]

No, those are people with a vested interest in defaming anarchists as inherently violent people....I know better.

If you were to let even the smallest of analytical thoughts permeate your skull, you'd recognize that being a part of a large unruly mob making demands of politicians and bureaucrats is antithetical to the anarchistic mindset.

 

[dnsmith35]

No, those are people with a vested interest in defaming anarchists as inherently violent people....I know better.

If you were to let even the smallest of analytical thoughts permeate your skull,

Don't think I want to be narrow minded and closed to thought like you. Obviously you have not done much historical examination of anarchism.

you'd recognize that being a part of a large unruly mob making demands of politicians and bureaucrats is antithetical to the anarchistic mindset.

Obviously you have a one sided view of the facts.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zATH0B6No]Occupy Wall Street (Mirrored) - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[dnsmith35]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zATH0B6No]Occupy Wall Street (Mirrored) - YouTube[/ame]​

What a lot of propaganda cooked up and made by left wing trolls and projecting it onto the anarchist OWS protestors. The actual protestors are typical anarchists protesting for the sake of protesting.

If any of you believe all anarchists are protesting for a stateless society with libertarian principles you are dreaming. And likewise, if you believe all anarchists are leftwingnut pro-statists leaning to communist theology you are dreaming.

 

[dnsmith35]

An easily predicted outcome.

Occupy DC Ignores Head Hunters Offering Job Applications | Video | TheBlaze.com So the clamor for jobs doesn't net people filling out applications? How did we know that would happen.

 

[Uncensored2008]

This nation was founded on anarchism.

What an utterly stupid claim.

Go back to your bong now.

 

[Uncensored2008]

......

Thanks Mr. Shithead.

Your response was banal and utterly irrelevant - per your usual standards....

 

[dnsmith35]

You signature line says a lot, "In order that liberty should survive; there must be a strict and impenetrable wall of separation between education and the (state." (federal government.) Before the federal government began experimenting with education mandates and trying to micromanage schools from the federal department of education we had a good system and our kids got a better basic educations in core subjects.

 

[dnsmith35]

I propose a change to the title of this forum to: "For those who think they understand what occupy is really about (and don't really know squat).

It is not unusual for some casual observers like independent logic to look in and project his own opinions on those doing the actual protesting; or in this case squatting in a private park messing up the joint.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

......

Thanks Mr. Shithead.

Your response was banal and utterly irrelevant - per your usual standards....

Yeah, but did it have 18 point colored fonts?

 

[dnsmith35]

......

Thanks Mr. Shithead.

Your response was banal and utterly irrelevant - per your usual standards....

Yeah, but did it have 18 point colored fonts?

In what part of NOLA do you live? We lived uptown years ago.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Thanks Mr. Shithead.

Your response was banal and utterly irrelevant - per your usual standards....

Yeah, but did it have 18 point colored fonts?

In what part of NOLA do you live? We lived uptown years ago.

I currently reside in Metairie... "Soggy in Metairie" would be lost on most people... although I did flood in katrina, but you never heard about it.

 

[dnsmith35]

Yeah, but did it have 18 point colored fonts?

In what part of NOLA do you live? We lived uptown years ago.

I currently reside in Metairie... "Soggy in Metairie" would be lost on most people... although I did flood in katrina, but you never heard about it.

We have friends in Metarie, lived there on Cathy Street behind MA Green shopping center for a while before moving back to uptown. The commute on the Airline HWY was too long. (Before the interstate) Mother in Law buried there. One Metarie lady we know moved to SE Al after Katrina.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah, but did it have 18 point colored fonts?

Well, there is that.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

The real issue isn't really with the rich.

No, it's the middle class. The left doesn't hate the rich, the elite of the left ARE the rich, Soros, Streisand, Clooney, Pelosi, Obama, et al. Each worth hundreds of millions of dollars. The left believes the rich should rule, unfettered by usurpers of the lower classes, these Bourgeoisie scum of the middle.

This class war the left wages is against the middle, the Bourgeoisie, not against the Aristocracy to which they belong.

The rich get taxed more than anyone. Take a look at the tax brackets.

Well connected looters like Jeffery Immelt or GE are protected from taxation. Loopholes are designed to ensure that he pays nothing at all.

Such is the nature of direct taxation. IF the taxpayer is identified, the well connected WILL be protected. Only anonymous, indirect taxation can be applied with equity. The founding fathers knew this well.

The real problem is with the federal reserve system. These people complaining about big business has their focus completely in the wrong place. The real problem is with our federal reserve system. Central banking system totally controls americans money. Under President wilson federal reserve act was put into place in 1913 while most of congress had left for the Christmas holidays. Federal reserve are controlled by powerful bankers, most of which are not even American.

I mostly agree, but all of those on the Federal Reserve board are American. It's a requirement.

Woodrow Wilson later apologized for doing this. Here's what he said:

*"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

The only problem with this is that Wilson didn't say it.

The unhappiness of Woodrow Wilson - Globalization - Salon.com

Wilson was a globalist and fully supported the subversion of the nation to the interests of international banks.

 

[dnsmith35]

Wilson was a globalist and fully supported the subversion of the nation to the interests of international banks.

Globalism! That is an interesting word which I have seen defined or explained in many ways.

It appears your definition rests in the area of control, external control by the vested financial people the world over.

Another definition, the one I would tend to agree with, would be the advancement of all economies such that the people the world over would all have the same basic opportunities of safe working conditions, good wages and an elevated standard of living.

As a humanist I believe in an equal opportunity for wealth and economic freedom for all individuals without regard to borders; devoid of external control. I believe the people of the third world deserve an opportunity to have their own economic revolutions such that the standards of living the world over are relatively similar. I don't believe one country, or group of countries have a greater right to wealth than any other.