For the last Time, "skeptics," the SUN is NOT the cause of climate change, and "solar cycle" was put out by the fraud

[EMH]

That Greenland froze while North America thawed proved Sun and Atmosphere are not the cause.

Cool story! So when, exactly, was North America frozen while Greenland was thawed?

Post some real evidence, not just your delusional fantasy.

LOL!!!

Well, for 20k years, the last pieces of North American Ice Age melted, right??

LOL!!!

And during the past 20k years, the vikings were chased off the southern tip by the advancing ice age glaciers, right?

LOL!!!


And you can pretend you and your 20k year old non-decomposed wood in the wild weren't schooled, with all the data and links, right here...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

Well, for 20k years, the last pieces of North American Ice Age melted, right??

LOL!!!

And during the past 20k years, the vikings were chased off the southern tip by the advancing ice age glaciers, right?

LOL!!!


And you can pretend you and your 20k year old non-decomposed wood in the wild weren't schooled, with all the data and links, right here...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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No evidence that Greenland was thawed while North America was frozen. Weird.

 

[EMH]

No evidence that Greenland was thawed while North America was frozen. Weird.

Nobody is claiming that. Greenland moving NW tectonically, started ice age within last 2 million years. Was forest now ice age.

North America was frozen down to Chicago in the past 2 million years. That ice mostly melted.

One thawed, the other froze, at the same time.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nobody is claiming that. Greenland moving NW tectonically, started ice age within last 2 million years. Was forest now ice age.

North America was frozen down to Chicago in the past 2 million years. That ice mostly melted.

One thawed, the other froze, at the same time.

You said Greenland froze while North America thawed.

That means, before that could happen, North America went from thawed to frozen while
Greenland was thawed.

Post your evidence. Real evidence for once would be nice.

 

[BackAgain]

NASA - Solar Variability: Striking a Balance with Climate Change

Compare to: What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change? â Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Same source. Slight difference in dates. Interesting differences in projected temperature lowering effect.

The still say that (alleged) man caused influences will not be compensated for. But that’s a different kettle of speculation.

Bottom line: that big old hot bright ball of light in our daytime sky has a definite impact on global climate change. So does variability of Earth’s orbit around that big hot bright thing.

Now consider:

Abstract​

Is the Sun the controller of climate changes, only the instigator of changes that are mostly forced by the system feedbacks, or simply a convenient scapegoat for climate variations lacking any other obvious cause? This question is addressed for suggested solar forcing mechanisms operating on time scales from billions of years to decades. Each mechanism fails to generate the expected climate response in important respects, although some relations are found. The magnitude of the system feedbacks or variability appears as large or larger than that of the solar forcing, making the Sun's true role ambiguous. As the Sun provides an explicit external forcing, a better understanding of its cause and effect in climate change could help us evaluate the importance of other climate forcings (such as past and future greenhouse gas changes).

See the link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.10695

An ambiguous role is not the same as “no” role.

 

[EMH]

North America went from thawed to frozen while
Greenland was thawed.

50+ million years ago both were thawed - so what.

For 30+ million years, NA was frozen and Greenland was green, and McBullshit is laughable... and got destroyed in the linked thread above.. and you got destroyed for parroting bullshit about wood 20k years outside that did not decompose = MORON.

 

[EMH]

"The sun goes through roughly an 11-year cycle of activity, from stormy to quiet and back again."


Noise. Not statistically significant. No long term output change.

Sun is a constant in climate change. It does not explain the data of Earth. Tectonic plate movement does explain it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

50+ million years ago both were thawed - so what.

For 30+ million years, NA was frozen and Greenland was green, and McBullshit is laughable... and got destroyed in the linked thread above.. and you got destroyed for parroting bullshit about wood 20k years outside that did not decompose = MORON.

For 30+ million years, NA was frozen and Greenland was green,

Post some evidence. Real evidence.

 

[EMH]

For 30+ million years, NA was frozen and Greenland was green,

Post some evidence. Real evidence.

Post 501 above links to that debate where you were destroyed, parroting one McBullshit "study" that claimed wood outside for 20k years did not decompose.

Every single measure of Earth glaciers today shows McBullshit is off by a factor of at least 20 fold...

speed
size


You want us to believe that a 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago that originated in Northern Canada is from an ice age just 75k years old. 2.5 mile thick glaciers in antarctica gave us 800k years of ice core data. Greenland's ice age took one million years to travel 1k miles - 1 mile per 1000 years.

75k years after North American Ice Age began, the ice was still hundreds of miles north of Chicago, and Chicago had no ice.

McBullshit is laughable, and your trolling bullshit proves you have NO DATA to refute any of what is posted...

 

[HeyNorm]

Well, you put a lot of credibility in telescopes 400 years ago.

Mars cannot hold water and atmosphere because it has a weak magnetic field. Its Co2 polar cap, yeah just one not two, would be subjected to the same issues. Mars also appears to lack any tectonic movement.

Just simple saying that any visible "change" in Mars one Co2 cap is 100% certainly the sun and just the sun and only the sun is pretty lame.


There really is just noise about the Sun. There is no real evidence of any statistically different solar output since we've measured it.

And then there is the atmospheric temps on Earth... the highly correlated satellite and balloon data....


Theory - increasing atmospheric Co2 in atmosphere will warm atmosphere

The Data - NOPE

real science THEORY REJECTED

Algore's FRAUd - fudge data and keep right on going...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling





We know urban heat sink effect has warmed growing urban areas. That is the Co2 fraud's entire warming in the raw data. Nothing else is warming at all. And even with increased urban heat from the surface, the atmosphere still is NOT WARMING....

Co2 does absolutely NOTHING - the DATA

Earth NOT WARMING - the DATA save surface of growing urban areas (where most of the 100 year surface temp records are from)


Urban areas are 1 to 10 degrees warmer than surrounding undeveloped land.

You just implied that telescopes 400 years ago were better than those of today.

Explain this.

 

[EMH]

You just implied that telescopes 400 years ago were better than those of today.

Explain this.

"you put a lot of credibility in telescopes 400 years ago" is the quote...?????

Actually that implies telescopes 400 years ago weren't as good...

READING COMPREHENSION....

 

[ReinyDays]

You sure do like reading your own posts eh? ...

 

[HeyNorm]

"you put a lot of credibility in telescopes 400 years ago" is the quote...?????

Actually that implies telescopes 400 years ago weren't as good...

READING COMPREHENSION....

I actually read it fine. You attempted to twist reality, as you must, to attemp to make a point.

You failed.

 

[EMH]

I actually read it fine. You attempted to twist reality, as you must, to attemp to make a point.

You failed.

It is truly a sign of desperation that this unimaginable MORON is the only one even trying to discredit the truth of this topic...

 

[EMH]

You sure do like reading your own posts eh? ...

Since Toddster will always say no evidence was posted, it helps when we have debates to keep all data and links in one topic, and cite that.

The data on McBullshit is 20 fold off from ALL data we have on ice age glaciers.

And Toddster's one parroted "study" "dated" wood that did not decompose outside unfrozen for 20k years... laughable bullshit as usual.

 

[ReinyDays]

Since Toddster will always say no evidence was posted, it helps when we have debates to keep all data and links in one topic, and cite that.

The data on McBullshit is 20 fold off from ALL data we have on ice age glaciers.

And Toddster's one parroted "study" "dated" wood that did not decompose outside unfrozen for 20k years... laughable bullshit as usual.

Bullshit ... you posted a link months ago that you fucking lost ... stupid ... so go find it again ...

 

[jc456]

And your point is what iggy ? The sun is responsible for all our weather and the climate. No Shit. What gave you your first clue ? Sunset,
you are a strange dude. You just came to that revelation and felt a need to tell everyone what literally everyone knew who had half the cray matter of a mature cucumber. Wow.

humans don't control climate is my point. Land mass and water contribute depending on where you live longitude and latitude from the sun and gravity, moon as well.

 

[Dagosa]

humans don't control climate is my point. Land mass and water contribute depending on where you live longitude and latitude from the sun and gravity, moon as well.

Hilarious. How many times do you guys have to admit you have no idea what AGW is about ? It’s getting weary listening to dullards.

 

[jc456]

Hilarious. How many times do you guys have to admit you have no idea what AGW is about ? It’s getting weary listening to dullards.

there's no such thing as AGW, so?

 

[ReinyDays]

Hilarious. How many times do you guys have to admit you have no idea what AGW is about ? It’s getting weary listening to dullards.

Then please tell us ... and show your math ... it's only a single degree, so it shouldn't be hard to prove ...