The ongoing conflict between philosophical purity and practical application occupies too much time and takes away from focusing on areas of shared agreement like shrinking government to the point of irrelevance.
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1) There is a large pro life group in the LP.Controlled =GTG with ( 3rd Trimester Abortion ) ( Sensible Firearm Restrictions) ( Legalized Drugs ) ( Pathway/ Amnesty ) ( Collectivism Lite ) ...
Just like they took over the TEA Party and turned it into crap.....That's how controlled opposition rolls.
The Party evolved on those issues , you did not1) There is a large pro life group in the LP.
2) There are no "sensible firearm restrictions" to be found in the party where jokes about belt fed machine guns and recreational McNukes are representative of their stand on the 2nd Amendment.
3) Immigration policy is (at least it was when I was there) couched in terms of simultaneously getting shed of the welfare state...Then all who came here would be pulling their own weight.
If you're going to gripe about libertarians, at least have your facts straight.
Indeed....Tariffs is one of those areas.The ongoing conflict between philosophical purity and practical application occupies too much time and takes away from focusing on areas of shared agreement like shrinking government to the point of irrelevance.
The Lie-Bertarians have far more in Common with the Far Left than they do what constitutes any semblance of a Far Right today1) There is a large pro life group in the LP.
2) There are no "sensible firearm restrictions" to be found in the party where jokes about belt fed machine guns and recreational McNukes are representative of their stand on the 2nd Amendment.
3) Immigration policy is (at least it was when I was there) couched in terms of simultaneously getting shed of the welfare state...Then all who came here would be pulling their own weight.
If you're going to gripe about libertarians, at least have your facts straight.
Same thing has happened to the LP.....Bob Barr is to them what Dick Armey was to the TEA Party.....A guy sent there to fuck it all up.You ain't kidding about the tea party take over. By the end of 2008, it was nothing but a bunch of republicans who thought the tea party was cool. But wasn't supporting much of anything the tea party stood for in 2007.
My last tea party meeting ended with me getting kicked out.
No, they don't.....They're so far right that even traditional "righties" can't see them over the horizon.The Lie-Bertarians have far more in Common with the Far Left than they do what constitutes any semblance of a Far Right today
The Paulians have morphed into the Mises Caucus which is currently in the leadership positions but faces organised opposition from the GOP lite faction that ran it after the Harry Browne days.
I have to defer to your expertise here, Tommy. How dumb is fuck?Libertarians are as dumb as fuck.
Third parties won't matter until people vote for them. And the reasons people won't vote them have nothing to do with the parties themselves. Unless we can break people out of the "lesser-of-two-evils" stupor, we'll continue the downward spiral.Again, Just so we're clear on this. "For Libertarian leaning folks."
I didn't see a libertarian section around here.
What's up with the LP lately? I haven't heard much from them in the last couple of years. The Mises Caucus taking over made some headlines. Supposedly they were cleaning out the die hard left leaning libertarians and trying to bring the LP back to something that resembled the Ron Paul R3VOlUTION. But all the news died down about as fast as it came.
I found my states LP Facebook page and found it was as dead as a doornail. I struck up a conversation on one if their threads, and was asking a few basic questions to see where the party was and if they'd gotten the party back in shape.
The only ones that replied were the ones who were still pushing for legalizing drugs and protecting trans and gay people. Pushing that a LOT harder than fiscal conservatism.
But this was just FB. So I realize this may not reflect the LP's leadership.
Anyone keeping up with the LP lately? Neither Biden nor Trump is going to get my vote (again). So I'm in search for a party who's more fiscally conservative.
Wasn’t Gary Johnson the one who couldn’t point out a country on a map?sabotaged/hijacked like the two main ones.
Bob Barr and Gary Johnson were good.
Since then, same ol'....
Can't even weed out homO's hero and 1/6 Guest of Honor Jacob Chansley, gay left wing hate hoaxer....
A lot of Berntards flocked there after getting shafted by the DNC primary cheating in '16.....Then more in '20.....Add to that the influx of moonbat Bush haters in the early oughts.This is probably due to many different reasons. But I'm guessing it's the LP left leaning population that keep fiscal conservatives from joining the LP.
I'm not going to join a party who cares more about trannies, gays and druggies more than the American working class and the USD problems.
He didn't know what country the city of Aleppo was in (Syria)....Then he saddled himself with a Marxataxsachusetts "republican" sot as his veep in '16.....The dude was a serious embarrassment.Wasn’t Gary Johnson the one who couldn’t point out a country on a map?
A lot of Berntards flocked there after getting shafted by the DNC primary cheating in '16.....Then more in '20.....Add to that the influx of moonbat Bush haters in the early oughts.
A large share of the people who've infested the LP in the last 20 years are terribly confused, and it shows in the overall philosophical schizophrenia of the party rank-and-file.
He didn't know what country the city of Aleppo was in (Syria)....Then he saddled himself with a Marxataxsachusetts "republican" sot as his veep in '16.....The dude was a serious embarrassment.
He didn't know what country the city of Aleppo was in (Syria)....Then he saddled himself with a Marxataxsachusetts "republican" sot as his veep in '16.....The dude was a serious embarrassment.
The LP is always going to be a fringe party, there is room for growth, but it will never convince enough people that liberty and personal responsibility go hand in hand. It's greatest hope is to find an articulate candidate who can move the Overton Window on issues. One can be very libertarian and look askance at the LP and there are lots of reasons to do so. Once again, its down to a matter of who owns you. Are you sovereign member of the smallest minority out there, the individual?I'm thinking there's simply not enough Mises caucus supporters in the LP. Much like the fiscally conservative wing of the GOP. (The Chip Roy's and Thomas Massie's).
This is probably due to many different reasons. But I'm guessing it's the LP left leaning population that keep fiscal conservatives from joining the LP.
I'm not going to join a party who cares more about trannies, gays and druggies more than the American working class and the USD problems.
The FB thread I mentioned in the OP, the mere mention of trannies, set the one I was talking on fire. Two paragraphs about how they should be treated more fairly, and that their liberties should be recognized and blah blah blah blah. And the whole time I'm thinking that if they got every tranny and gay person in the USA to vote for them, they still wouldn't get 10%. But if most American working class voted for them, they'd probably win a LOT of elections. From the local to the federal level.
The problem with tariffs in libertarian philosophy is that they are a form of protectionism.Indeed....Tariffs is one of those areas.
Too many libertarians give you a knee-jerk "tariffs don't work", without being able to contextualize and adequately describe what "working" or not actually means.
What are you trying to say because I'm saying libertarian philosophy is supposed to be opposed to tariffs.