First slave owner in America was black

[NYcarbineer]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

 

[bodecea]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

The Black Slave Owners - SlaveRebellion.org

Damn racist southerners!

Simply not true. John Rolfe, Pocahontas's white husband, was the first slaveowner in the colonies.

Not according to historians.

Oh? The Origins of Slavery in Virginia

 

[TemplarKormac]

Simply not true. John Rolfe, Pocahontas's white husband, was the first slaveowner in the colonies.

Not according to historians.

Oh? The Origins of Slavery in Virginia

Ahaha, you take no time to do any meaningful research! You need to learn, not whine.

Evidence of slavery predates written records, and has existed in many cultures.[8] Slavery is rare among hunter–gatherer populations, as slavery is a system of social stratification. Mass slavery also requires economic surpluses and a high population density to be viable. Due to these factors, the practice of slavery would have only proliferated after the invention of agriculture during the Neolithic Revolution about 11,000 years ago.[4]

Slavery was known in civilizations as old as Sumer, as well as almost every other ancient civilization, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, the Akkadian Empire, Assyria, Ancient India, Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Caliphate, and the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas.[8] Such institutions were a mixture of debt-slavery, punishment for crime, the enslavement of prisoners of war, child abandonment, and the birth of slave children to slaves.[9]

...

In 1619 twenty Africans were brought by a Dutch soldier and sold to the English colony of Jamestown, Virginia as indentured servants. It is possible that Africans were brought to Virginia prior to this, both because neither John Rolfe our source on the 1619 shipment nor any contemporary of his ever says that this was the first contingent of Africans to come to Virginia and because the 1625 Virginia census lists one black as coming on a ship that appears to only have landed people in Virginia prior to 1619.[173]

History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anthony Johnson was a black Angolan held as an indentured servant by a merchant in the Colony of Virginia in 1620, but later freed to become a successful tobacco farmer and property owner. Notably, he was the first true slave owner: that is, the first to hold a black African servant as a slave in the mainland American colonies. Upon his death in 1670, a court ruled that he was "a negro and by consequence, an alien", and the colony seized his land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

Siddown.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Slavery predates America, to say it's based on race is ludicrous. Learn some freaking history people.

Pay attention!!! It may not have been based on race in the Old World, but rather on war, debt criminality or religion. However, in the New World those enslaved were overwhelmingly African and even after freedom was granted, were still second-class citizens. Slavery does pre-date America, but a twist was added to it here, the effects of which we're still feeling.

You folks are purposefully unintelligent. Read my above post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that the author of this thread has become USMB's latest prolific practitioner of the pointless posts,

this might be a silly question,

but does anyone have a guess at what his point is?

 

[LeftofLeft]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

 

[NYcarbineer]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

You mean like Lincoln, who in the secession thread is getting roundly trashed by our local conservatives for his 'crimes'?

That Republican Party?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Given that the author of this thread has become USMB's latest prolific practitioner of the pointless posts,

this might be a silly question,

but does anyone have a guess at what his point is?

That these baseless liberal claims that white people were the first ones to own slaves in the American colonies is wrong?

Or were you paying attention?

 

[Sallow]

From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

We sometimes imagine that such oppressive laws were put quickly into full force by greedy landowners. But that's not the way slavery was established in colonial America. It happened gradually -- one person at a time, one law at a time, even one colony at a time.
All servants imported and brought into the Country. . . who were not Christians in their native Country. . . shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion. . . shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resists his master. . . correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction. . . the master shall be free of all punishment. . . as if such accident never happened.
- Virginia General Assembly declaration, 1705
Africans in America | Part 1 | Narrative | From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

Basically the type of slavery that the United States practiced is different then that of Indentured Servitude.

Additionally, slavery/indentured servitude was practiced in the colonies since the late 1500s.

 

[Redfish]

From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

We sometimes imagine that such oppressive laws were put quickly into full force by greedy landowners. But that's not the way slavery was established in colonial America. It happened gradually -- one person at a time, one law at a time, even one colony at a time.
All servants imported and brought into the Country. . . who were not Christians in their native Country. . . shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion. . . shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resists his master. . . correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction. . . the master shall be free of all punishment. . . as if such accident never happened.
- Virginia General Assembly declaration, 1705
Africans in America | Part 1 | Narrative | From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

Basically the type of slavery that the United States practiced is different then that of Indentured Servitude.

Additionally, slavery/indentured servitude was practiced in the colonies since the late 1500s.

yes, shallow, you are correct. Lincoln (a republican) ended it. The civil rights act was passed by republicans despite the fillibustering of democrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that the author of this thread has become USMB's latest prolific practitioner of the pointless posts,

this might be a silly question,

but does anyone have a guess at what his point is?

That these baseless liberal claims that white people were the first ones to own slaves in the American colonies is wrong?

Or were you paying attention?

Who here was making that specific claim and what does it matter?

Did you happen to notice that the only reason this so-called first slave was declared a slave was BECAUSE he was black?

 

[jwoodie]

My point would be that the United States has become the whipping boy for all of the world's sins regarding slavery, despite these facts.

1. The British instituted slavery in North America and continued it into the 1800's under worse conditions than in the U.S. Slavery in South America continued for 100 years after U.S. independence.
2. During the Constitutional debate, many Southern States were willing to give up slavery in return for just compensation, but the Northern States refused this or any other resolution of the slavery issue.
3. The United States fought the bloodiest war in its history to end slavery.

Thus we are pilloried not for our actions but for our ideals. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

First slave owner in America was black

And?

Are you so moronic as to believe this ‘mitigates’ any aspect of slavery in America, or the predominance of its practice in the South?

One human holding another human in bondage is heinous and reprehensible, regardless of race.

Last, that blacks held slaves was always known, an indication of the insidious nature of the institution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

Was secession constitutional?

 

[bodecea]

From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

We sometimes imagine that such oppressive laws were put quickly into full force by greedy landowners. But that's not the way slavery was established in colonial America. It happened gradually -- one person at a time, one law at a time, even one colony at a time.
All servants imported and brought into the Country. . . who were not Christians in their native Country. . . shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion. . . shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resists his master. . . correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction. . . the master shall be free of all punishment. . . as if such accident never happened.
- Virginia General Assembly declaration, 1705
Africans in America | Part 1 | Narrative | From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

Basically the type of slavery that the United States practiced is different then that of Indentured Servitude.

Additionally, slavery/indentured servitude was practiced in the colonies since the late 1500s.

yes, shallow, you are correct. Lincoln (a republican) ended it. The civil rights act was passed by republicans despite the fillibustering of democrats.

Correction...the 1965 Civil Rights Act was passed by NORTHERN Republicans and Democrats despite the filibustering of SOUTHERN Republicans and Democrats.

 

[pioneerpete]

Slavery predates America, to say it's based on race is ludicrous. Learn some freaking history people.

Pay attention!!! It may not have been based on race in the Old World, but rather on war, debt criminality or religion. However, in the New World those enslaved were overwhelmingly African and even after freedom was granted, were still second-class citizens. Slavery does pre-date America, but a twist was added to it here, the effects of which we're still feeling.

Are the effects that Blacks are killing Blacks at a rate that eclipses any number you can attribute to the KKK? Jews were almost burned into extinction by the Nazis, but somehow they overcame and established wealth, and don't kill themselves at a rate greater than any other race on the planet.

 

[National Socialist]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

You mean like Lincoln, who in the secession thread is getting roundly trashed by our local conservatives for his 'crimes'?

That Republican Party?

I am no Republican conservative shit head...man do you idiots ever realize not everyone fits your idiotic childish stereotypes? Lincoln was a war criminal plain and simple.

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

Was secession constitutional?

Yes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Given that the author of this thread has become USMB's latest prolific practitioner of the pointless posts,

this might be a silly question,

but does anyone have a guess at what his point is?

That these baseless liberal claims that white people were the first ones to own slaves in the American colonies is wrong?

Or were you paying attention?

Who here was making that specific claim and what does it matter?

Did you happen to notice that the only reason this so-called first slave was declared a slave was BECAUSE he was black?

Given liberal behavior during the Zimmerman trial, I think this fits right in.

 

[Sallow]

lol,

of course slavery in the South wasn't about race. If it would have been about race, then after the Civil War ended,

you would have seen institutionalized race segregation emerge in the South,

to the point that sometime in the future you would have needed a whole series of federal laws and actions to remedy such a condition.

Of course that never happened!!!

lol

Thank God for Republicans who wanted to end Slavery and Segregation

Be thankful they weren't conservative, but liberal.

 

[Sallow]

Slavery predates America, to say it's based on race is ludicrous. Learn some freaking history people.

Pay attention!!! It may not have been based on race in the Old World, but rather on war, debt criminality or religion. However, in the New World those enslaved were overwhelmingly African and even after freedom was granted, were still second-class citizens. Slavery does pre-date America, but a twist was added to it here, the effects of which we're still feeling.

Are the effects that Blacks are killing Blacks at a rate that eclipses any number you can attribute to the KKK? Jews were almost burned into extinction by the Nazis, but somehow they overcame and established wealth, and don't kill themselves at a rate greater than any other race on the planet.

Jews were able to overcome the Christian Nazis, because the world fought against them. You miss the whole world war thing, did ya?