Rikurzhen
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Uh.... "invented by whites"??
Races invent things now? TMI dood....
You might want to look upthread and see if you can spot the doofus who first made mention of Jazz, Ragtime and the Blues.
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Uh.... "invented by whites"??
Races invent things now? TMI dood....
Uh.... "invented by whites"??
Races invent things now? TMI dood....
You might want to look upthread and see if you can spot the doofus who first made mention of Jazz, Ragtime and the Blues.
You done pooped yer pants over Africans playing in a European cultural art form. So I presented Europeans playing an African cultural art form.
The script writers are have to make a few adjustment to certain lines in the play.
Such as, "Cinderella, Cinderella, let down your afro" and her suitor will now "Ax" for her hand in marriage. .....
You done pooped yer pants over Africans playing in a European cultural art form. So I presented Europeans playing an African cultural art form.
Play a role, Cinderella, is not the same as playing in an art form, theater. Playing Jazz is playing an art form.
Why oh why did I forget this advice:
I hope she fails. The only way to put a stop to racism is to not reward it.
I hope she fails. The only way to put a stop to racism is to not reward it.
What an idiot. What a complete fucking idiot.
Can't wait for a white woman to play Harriet Tubman
And the official description for this production is this:
Updated version of the classic Rodgers and Hammerstein musical of the classic fairy-tale, with an all-star, multi-racial cast.
You see, the race issue is a gimmick. It's like doing Hamlet in the nude.
Can't wait for a white woman to play Harriet Tubman
Harriet Tubman was a real human being; Cinderella is a fairy tale character. You don't get the difference?
And, in fact, we had a white man playing Ghandi, for the movie of that name. I don't recall any Americans having fits over that. We have also had innumerable white men and women playing Native Americans on television and in movies. Again, the white guys don't seem to have a problem with that. And then there is Othello. Many white men have played Othello in movies and on stage for a long, long time, and no whites gave a rat's ass.
But, obviously, when it is someone non-white doing a role they perceive as only for whites, they have a huge hissy fit.
the Moors conquered much of the N.Mediterranean during the 8th Century....many of them were black....im half Sicilian.....my grandmothers brothers were all pretty dam dark.... when i get a tan going many around here speak Spanish to me....I hope she fails. The only way to put a stop to racism is to not reward it.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
This is a news story BECAUSE this young actress is black.
Look, we can analyze this from number of different perspectives. The story is from a European heritage, first published in the late 17th Century. Princes, balls, ballgowns, etc all come from that heritage. Blacks didn't intersect with that world at that time.
Cinderella is the daughter of a widowed Prince. The internal cohesion of the story breaks down when we posit a 17th Century prince is black in a white society. It's not plausible from a story narrative perspective - this gimmick pulls the viewer out of the moment, it doesn't meet the condition of creating a plausible suspension of disbelief. Instead of the audience focusing on the play, they focus on the odd duck of a black princess Cinderella in a 17th Century European setting.
Playwrights can adapt an afro-centric story based on the Cinderella story and set it in an African society where we see African princes and African social mores and African balls and African styles of dress from the 17th Century but that's not what's happening here.
This story is pushing an ideological agenda that race substitution is no different than having one actress be 5'2" and her replacement being 5'6" - a physical change of no consequence, something that shouldn't be an issue to anyone but when a taller actress takes over from a shorter actress the producers aren't using their PR people to hype the fact and make it national news. The fact that they're hyping this story into overdrive signals that they believe that the race-substitution gimmick is a big deal. It's an agenda driven, rather than a story driven, decision. It's ideological. This then injects ideology/politics into what is a child's story. Anytime you politicize a topic you create division. There will be the race warriors who will cheer on this ideological decision and there will be the anti-racists who denounce it.
Then there's the business decision. Will overt racism be a good tool to boost box office? Who is the intended audience? Black girls will probably like it because it's a racist siren call for them. Art can take the form of organic stories focused on race - "Boyz in the Hood" is a good example. That movie had large cross-over appeal. It was a good movie because it focused on the stories of young black men in LA and the story just wouldn't work if the characters were whites who faced the same obstacles. Then there are the Madea movies which have little cross-over appeal because most of the stories are run of the mill and their only appeal to black audiences is that they are set in a predominantly black universe. Whites get the same stories all over the place, so there's nothing engaging about those movies. Putting a black actress into the role of Cinderella will appeal to black girls. Without racist casting, with a white actress, white girls attend Cinderella plays, and black girls and Asian girls and Hispanic girls, etc, just for the story - the race of the actress playing Cinderella is immaterial. Now with the gimmicked casting the race of Cinderella breaks the suspension of disbelief, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Doing Shakespeare where all the actors are nude is a gimmick move. Being a racist director is a gimmick move. These gimmicks don't ADD to the story, in fact they distract from the story - look at the hooters on Ophelia, look at the schlong on Hamlet, look at that black girl playing Cinderella.
"Blacks didn't intersect with Europe" in the 17th century?? Uh- ever hear of slavery?
Well before all that, Africans were in Europe; Portugal was doing intense trade with West Africa in the 15th. Africans were known to be living in Iberia, England and France. This guy was a nobleman in the Duchy of Brabant, what is now Belgium, early 16th century (page here):
More to the point, by your logic, is it wrong for white people to play jazz? It is after all an art form born of African culture and sensibility. How 'bout ragtime?
What about this guy? Is he "pushing an ideological agenda"?
Can blue men sing the whites?
already been done......on TV anyway....Keke Palmer To Be Broadway?s First Black Cinderella « CBS Miami
NEW YORK (AP) Like many girls, actress and singer Keke Palmer grew up dreaming of meeting a prince who would whisk her away to a life of love and happiness. In her case, its going to happen eight shows a week on Broadway.
Palmer said shell be stepping into the title role in Rodgers & Hammersteins Cinderella starting Sept. 9 at the Broadway Theatre. She will become the first African-American to play the part on the Great White Way.
Its honestly one of those things that I cant believe is really happening, Palmer said by phone Friday from her Los Angeles home. Im very excited. Very excited and nervous as well a bunch of feelings all at once.
Palmer, 21, is stepping into the sparkly shoes first worn by Tony-nominated Laura Osnes, then put on by Call Me Maybe Canadian pop star Carly Rae Jepsen and currently worn by Paige Faure, who launches a national tour in the title role this fall.
Palmer, who will be making her professional stage debut, will rely on a host of skills shes developed from film including Barbershop 2: Back in Business and Akeelah and the Bee her BET talk show, Just Keke, and on TV in Showtimes Masters of Sex. Her albums include the 2007 CD So Uncool and a self-titled 2012 EP.
She has played Chili in CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story and starred in Nickelodeons True Jackson, VP. Palmer also appeared opposite Cicely Tyson and Vanessa Williams in Lifetimes A Trip to Bountiful, which was nominated for an Emmy Award.
She acts beautifully, she dances, she sings shes an amazing young woman, Tony Award-winning producer Robyn Goodman said. I think shes going to be just so lovely.
Since one of our KKK types got all bent about a black comic book super hero (don't remember which one), I thought some might be interested in this little story.
I wish her every success, as I'm sure others do as well.
Break a leg, Keke.
the Moors conquered much of the N.Mediterranean during the 8th Century....many of them were black....im half Sicilian.....my grandmothers brothers were all pretty dam dark.... when i get a tan going many around here speak Spanish to me....I hope she fails. The only way to put a stop to racism is to not reward it.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
This is a news story BECAUSE this young actress is black.
Look, we can analyze this from number of different perspectives. The story is from a European heritage, first published in the late 17th Century. Princes, balls, ballgowns, etc all come from that heritage. Blacks didn't intersect with that world at that time.
Cinderella is the daughter of a widowed Prince. The internal cohesion of the story breaks down when we posit a 17th Century prince is black in a white society. It's not plausible from a story narrative perspective - this gimmick pulls the viewer out of the moment, it doesn't meet the condition of creating a plausible suspension of disbelief. Instead of the audience focusing on the play, they focus on the odd duck of a black princess Cinderella in a 17th Century European setting.
Playwrights can adapt an afro-centric story based on the Cinderella story and set it in an African society where we see African princes and African social mores and African balls and African styles of dress from the 17th Century but that's not what's happening here.
This story is pushing an ideological agenda that race substitution is no different than having one actress be 5'2" and her replacement being 5'6" - a physical change of no consequence, something that shouldn't be an issue to anyone but when a taller actress takes over from a shorter actress the producers aren't using their PR people to hype the fact and make it national news. The fact that they're hyping this story into overdrive signals that they believe that the race-substitution gimmick is a big deal. It's an agenda driven, rather than a story driven, decision. It's ideological. This then injects ideology/politics into what is a child's story. Anytime you politicize a topic you create division. There will be the race warriors who will cheer on this ideological decision and there will be the anti-racists who denounce it.
Then there's the business decision. Will overt racism be a good tool to boost box office? Who is the intended audience? Black girls will probably like it because it's a racist siren call for them. Art can take the form of organic stories focused on race - "Boyz in the Hood" is a good example. That movie had large cross-over appeal. It was a good movie because it focused on the stories of young black men in LA and the story just wouldn't work if the characters were whites who faced the same obstacles. Then there are the Madea movies which have little cross-over appeal because most of the stories are run of the mill and their only appeal to black audiences is that they are set in a predominantly black universe. Whites get the same stories all over the place, so there's nothing engaging about those movies. Putting a black actress into the role of Cinderella will appeal to black girls. Without racist casting, with a white actress, white girls attend Cinderella plays, and black girls and Asian girls and Hispanic girls, etc, just for the story - the race of the actress playing Cinderella is immaterial. Now with the gimmicked casting the race of Cinderella breaks the suspension of disbelief, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Doing Shakespeare where all the actors are nude is a gimmick move. Being a racist director is a gimmick move. These gimmicks don't ADD to the story, in fact they distract from the story - look at the hooters on Ophelia, look at the schlong on Hamlet, look at that black girl playing Cinderella.
"Blacks didn't intersect with Europe" in the 17th century?? Uh- ever hear of slavery?
Well before all that, Africans were in Europe; Portugal was doing intense trade with West Africa in the 15th. Africans were known to be living in Iberia, England and France. This guy was a nobleman in the Duchy of Brabant, what is now Belgium, early 16th century (page here):
More to the point, by your logic, is it wrong for white people to play jazz? It is after all an art form born of African culture and sensibility. How 'bout ragtime?
What about this guy? Is he "pushing an ideological agenda"?
Can blue men sing the whites?