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This vast number of worlds, the enormous scale of the universe... has not been taken into account, even superficially, in virtually no (sic) religion, and especially in no Western religions. - Carl Sagan
[Sagan SHOULD have written "in virtually any religion" but he did not. Simple grammar eluded this pompous agnostic.]
[“The heavens proclaim the glory of God and the firmanents show his handiwork.”]
Cosmos is a Greek word for the order of the universe. It is, in a way, the opposite of Chaos. It implies the deep interconnectedness of all things. It conveys awe for the intricate and subtle way in which the universe is put together. - Carl Sagan
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why's he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there's one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He's not good at design, he's not good at execution. He'd be out of business, if there was any competition.
["Competition"? To God? Insane, but then again Sagan was agnostic and yet his memorial service was held at St. John the Divine Cathedral in New York City.]
“If a Creator God exists, would He or She or It or whatever the appropriate pronoun is, prefer a kind of sodden blockhead who worships while understanding nothing? Or would he prefer his votaries to admire the real universe in all its intricacy? I would suggest that science is, at least in part, informed worship. My deeply held belief is that if a god of anything like the traditional sort exists, then our curiosity and intelligence are provided by such a god. We would be unappreciative of those gifts if we suppressed our passion to explore the universe and ourselves.” Carl Sagan The Varieties of Scientific Experience 1985
[Again and again, Sagan displays a profound ignorance. "Sodden blockhead" or admirers of the real universe in all its intricacy"? It is not a simplistic "either/or" choice. Most Nobel Laureate scientists are Christians or Jews.
Above he calls the universe "sloppy." Now it's intricate. Which was it, Carl?
By the way, Carl is no longer atheist. He knows things today he did not previously. Sorry, too late for you, Carl. I tried to tell you by letter but all you could do was ask me to buy your newest book. I never bought one but I did sell your letter on E-Bay for $125!]
[Sagan SHOULD have written "in virtually any religion" but he did not. Simple grammar eluded this pompous agnostic.]
[“The heavens proclaim the glory of God and the firmanents show his handiwork.”]
Cosmos is a Greek word for the order of the universe. It is, in a way, the opposite of Chaos. It implies the deep interconnectedness of all things. It conveys awe for the intricate and subtle way in which the universe is put together. - Carl Sagan
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why's he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there's one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He's not good at design, he's not good at execution. He'd be out of business, if there was any competition.
["Competition"? To God? Insane, but then again Sagan was agnostic and yet his memorial service was held at St. John the Divine Cathedral in New York City.]
“If a Creator God exists, would He or She or It or whatever the appropriate pronoun is, prefer a kind of sodden blockhead who worships while understanding nothing? Or would he prefer his votaries to admire the real universe in all its intricacy? I would suggest that science is, at least in part, informed worship. My deeply held belief is that if a god of anything like the traditional sort exists, then our curiosity and intelligence are provided by such a god. We would be unappreciative of those gifts if we suppressed our passion to explore the universe and ourselves.” Carl Sagan The Varieties of Scientific Experience 1985
[Again and again, Sagan displays a profound ignorance. "Sodden blockhead" or admirers of the real universe in all its intricacy"? It is not a simplistic "either/or" choice. Most Nobel Laureate scientists are Christians or Jews.
Above he calls the universe "sloppy." Now it's intricate. Which was it, Carl?
By the way, Carl is no longer atheist. He knows things today he did not previously. Sorry, too late for you, Carl. I tried to tell you by letter but all you could do was ask me to buy your newest book. I never bought one but I did sell your letter on E-Bay for $125!]
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