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So why do you think this happened ?
Their minds are like jello .
NFL donates $30 million to National Institutes of Health
The NFL is doing a great job of hanging itself. Losing popularity fast.
The NFL is doing a great job of hanging itself. Losing popularity fast.
That is the narrative because it was why CrapperDick did it.his "They are stomping on the flag!" and "They are pissing on the graves of every soldier who ever served" is just bullshit
Problem is, the fans in the stadium (10s of thousands) see them. They can repair the situation though >>How about this idea? The camera crews just don't focus on the players during the anthem, focus on the crowd standing and singing during the anthem. The players get no TV exposure and their protests gradually fade away.
Didn't read it because no ONE persons thought trumps a whole nation being insulted, including thousands of sailors, soldiers, marines, etc who lost their lives in war, now represented by the National Anthem. Get a brain.This is an open letter from the Green Beret who talked to Kapernick and helped him work out his method of protest. To kneel and not remain seated.
"Dear Every Single American,
Every. Single. American. Including President Trump, Colin Kaepernick, and my brothers in arms overseas who are wondering, "what in the hell is going on back there?" I'm sitting in the same chair, in the same apartment that I sat in almost a year ago when I wrote an open letter to Colin Kaepernick. I was hurt when I saw him sitting on the bench during the national anthem, but I'm much more hurt now. Not by him, not by where we're at now with the protests, but by us.
Simply put, it seems like we just hate each other; and that is far more painful to me than any protest, or demonstration, or rally, or tweet. We're told to pick a side, there's a line drawn in the sand "are you with us or against us?" It's just not who we are, or at least who we're supposed to be; we're supposed to be better than that, we're Americans. This doesn't even seem to be about right or wrong, but more about right or left.
Today it feels like this national divide isn't even really about the anthem, or the flag, or kneeling, or sitting, or fists in the air. It's not about President Donald Trump, it's not about Colin Kaepernick, it's not about the military, or even police brutality. It feels like it's about winning. That's what makes America so great, our sheer competitiveness. We're winners, and we won't quit until victory is ours.
We see it in sports everyday, we "live and die" by the outcomes of our teams. That desire to win at all cost is costing us greatly now among our neighbors. This winning mentality seems to have spilled over into an obsession with being right and not willing to admit that maybe, just maybe we were wrong. We repeat mantras to ourselves like, "no matter what I will never ever surrender."
Earlier this week I sat down with a group of five Combat Arms and Special Operations Veterans. The round table discussed our individual feelings on the flag, the anthem, and the players who knelt when it was played. We all had very different takes, but what surprised me most at the end of the discussion was that we all agreed on one thing. Colin Kaepernick and President Trump should be the ones uniting our country together. Wait...what? I know it sounds crazy, but maybe that's exactly what we need to see. Maybe that's how we start to heal. Two men sit in a room and talk, simple as that.
That's how it all started with Colin and I, neither of us knew that kneeling would be the result of our conversation. Colin wanted to sit, I wanted him to stand, and so we found a common ground on a knee alongside his teammates. I believe that progress and real change happens in this world when you reach across the divide, you build a bridge, you swallow your pride, you open your mind, you embrace what you don't understand, and ultimately you surrender.
Now I don't pretend to speak for everyone who fought overseas, many veterans rightfully disagree with my position. But I do feel that I echo the sentiments of most war fighters when I say that what we hope for more than anything right now in America is unity. To deploy overseas, train, live with, fight alongside, and ultimately defend foreigners that you have little in common with is truly a challenging task. But returning home to a country that is so divided, so judgmental, and so hateful of one another is almost as difficult to deal with as burying a fallen comrade. In fact we're still losing our brothers in arms overseas right now and it's hardly mentioned it in the media; but that's OK, we don't risk our lives and sacrifice so much for fanfare or recognition. It's not at all why we do what we do. We do what we do because you are worth it, because we love you.
I would love for those two leaders to have that conversation, but more than anything I just want us to love one another again. One great thing about freedom is that you get to choose everyday how you treat your neighbor. This IS the best country in the world, but we can always do better. I'm laying it all out there because I have to, I swore to defend this land and its people, and I will die trying. I know some people will hate this (we love to hate things these days), and I'll get called a disgrace to the Green Beret once again. But I don't care, the United States means more to me than any of that.
Over the past year I've come across veterans from various walks of life. We may actually be the most diverse sub-culture in the America. Since I myself am a Green Beret, I want to share with you a couple of messages that were sent to me from men in my former unit. One of them is white, and one of them is black:
"Hey brother. At first I was with you on the Kaepernick issue. However, I just stood in formation while one of our brothers was pulled off a plane with our nation's flag draped over the coffin. I had to fight back tears as I saw the pain in the eyes of Staff Sergeant T's wife and family. While I would like to sit here and tell you that I rose above it all, I have to be honest. My heart filled with rage. Rage for anyone who takes for granted the ideals and symbols that we fight and die for."
"Hey Brother, this is J. I spent nearly 18 years in 10th Special Forces Group and wish I had an opportunity to meet a brother like yourself. I just want to say I appreciate your views on this national anthem and flag issue. I love our country, but at the same time I have to take the time to tell my sons to act a certain way out of fear for their lives when dealing with police officers. Most of my neighbors and friends here in MD are law enforcement personnel and will tell you they also have to act a certain way to avoid confrontation and situations that normally don't occur for those that are not of color. Not all officers are bad, the majority I believe are good and poor training is attributed to some of these issues we hear of. I really just want to thank you for your taking the time out to understand and convincing him to take a knee and not sit out on what we have fought for. God Bless You Bro!"
Different backgrounds, different experiences, different colors, but at the end of the day they just want the same basic things for their families.
So please, no more lines in the sand, not at home, not among our people. No more choosing sides, no more "for or against." I believe our Veterans will be called upon to lead the way in healing the world and solving its problems; right now our country needs that more than I can remember. So I'll be here, standing in the radical middle, doing what I can to continue fighting for those that can't fight for themselves. Let's get this thing fixed together, you and me. I love you all with all my heart.
De Oppresso Liber
-- Nate Boyer"
from: Ex-Green Beret Nate Boyer pens open letter to Trump, Kaepernick, NFL and America
Before this thread, I thought you were a rather smart guy. Not any more.You have refuted nothing. Just like your claim that I was changing the subject was based on nothing.
But feel free to bail.
I don't like the kneeling thing. But to let these players make me this angry.....well I won't as in the end it is only a few people doing something I see as a poor choice. That being said I have never been overly crazy nationalistic because it would cloud my thinking. Even keel steady as it goes is far and away the only way to go. So in this tiny issue....ignore the kneelers and ignore the hype. Not really much of anything.
Couldn't disagree more. My uncle died in the Marianas (Pacific islands) in World War II. His memory (and thousands more like him), as represented by the National Anthem, deserves RESPECT. Especially from a bunch of relatively meaningless, overpaid, spoiled brats, few of whom ever served in the military. BIG issue - not small.I don't like the kneeling thing. But to let these players make me this angry.....well I won't as in the end it is only a few people doing something I see as a poor choice. That being said I have never been overly crazy nationalistic because it would cloud my thinking. Even keel steady as it goes is far and away the only way to go. So in this tiny issue....ignore the kneelers and ignore the hype. Not really much of anything.
They want to smear the country. Don't listen to what they say. WATCH what they DO.I say go protest at the court houses around the country .
Next, go protest the police departments around the country .
This is what their protesting, so go protest those areas ..
As President Trump correctly said, they should all be fired, and their contracts nullified, for breach of contract. It must be stated somewhere in their contracts that this can be done, in the event of bad conduct on the part of the players. This goes for football or any other professional sport.
In addition, the names of these disrespectful, spoiled brats ought to be widely publicized, to give prospective employers a warning of who they are, and what they've done - disrespecting the national anthem and te thousands of military members who've sacrificed their lives in wars.
How outrageous it is for these miscreants to insult the way they do, when they wouldn't have the ability to exercise any free speech at all, if the soldiers whose memories they disparage, had not given their lives to provide them safety from Hitler. And others who fought (and fight now) the current war against the international jihad.
Also to be punished are TV bigmouths like Marie Harf, for lending support to these disrespectful traitors. Politicians insulting our military heroes, past & present, likewise, ought to be voted out of office.
I'd also suggest some kind of retribution for Hillary Clinton, for her idiotic statement that kneeling is a reverent thing, if she wasn't such an pitiful, rejected loser, with about as much relevance as a dustball on the floor (other than to her millions of illegal aliens).
I agreed with you 100% .
Their all assholes ..
NFL Arrest Statistics
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I agreed with you 100% .
Their all assholes ..
NFL Arrest Statistics
NFL Arrest-Database - NFL Football - USA TODAY
Now THIS is a reason to despise the NFL players. These are actual crimes and should be shouted from the mountain tops. Criminals abound. But it is funny that being a rapist, wife-beater, drug user, or worse might cause you a fine from the NFL, but often nothing serious. You want to get people worked up? Kneel.
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
The West Virginia Board of Education passed a resolution during World War 2 requiring that a salute to salute the flag become a “regular part of the program of activities in the public schools.”
A small group of Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, refused. They took their case to the Supreme Court.
In 1943, during the Second World War, the Supreme Court rendered its verdict.
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. "
"Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. "
In other words, the power of the salute lies with the choice to salute, and the most repugnant form of censorship is compelled speech. And that is what this opposition to the NFL players protesting racial injustice represents, an unconstitutional attempt to force compelled speech or compulsory salutation.
They want to smear the country. Don't listen to what they say. WATCH what they DO.I say go protest at the court houses around the country .
Next, go protest the police departments around the country .
This is what their protesting, so go protest those areas ..
If you want to make a point with the maximum number of people, you protest where you get the most exposure.
They want to smear the country. Don't listen to what they say. WATCH what they DO.I say go protest at the court houses around the country .
Next, go protest the police departments around the country .
This is what their protesting, so go protest those areas ..
If you want to make a point with the maximum number of people, you protest where you get the most exposure.
Their not getting much exposure here in Michigan .
Fox doesn't show the Anthem, that what my morning news tells me on Monday morning .
I haven't watch any football since last year ...
