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Saying the boss's brother (or mother) is a drug dealer or prostitute, is not necessarily slander. Slander requires being spoken to at least 3 people, and incurring monetary damages$$.Because slander does harm someone.
And indecent exposure is illegal.
None of those have anything to do with kneeling quietly.
The second example isn't necessarily "indecent exposure" (or necessarily illegal in every state)
But both Do have to do with kneeling quietly. The are both DISRESPECTFUL.
FALSE! People get fired every day from jobs, contract or no contract.You might. It will depend on whether or not your contract says it explicitly or whether you were failing to perform your job while you were protesting. Neither of those apply here.
I've already refuted this drivel. Ho hum. Yawn *****If people hear you talk about the bosses brother or mother, then you have harmed the reputation of someone.
If someone has a catheter and walks out to the 50 yardline and urinates, no one would know.
And talking about the bosses brother or peeing on the 50 yardline have nothing to do with kneeling. Nothing.
Being disrespectful is, however, not illegal.
Of course it's about soldiers and flags. Are you dense ? Listen to the WORDS of the National Anthem (and read post # 3 in this thread - SLOWLY)They did it because they see the acts against minorities as systemic. So they protest the entire system.
I cannot believe so many people have been played. This was never about soldiers or flags. Was Rosa Parks protesting the buses or was she protesting inequality?
It doesn't matter what the players think their "cause" is. Or whether they really have one or not (they don't)
What matters is they are protesting deliberately DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. that makes it ALL about soldiers, flags, wars, deaths, sacrifices, etc. As I said before (are your listening ?) they could protest out in the street like other protestors, but THEY CHOOSE to confront the flag and National Anthem. This is a no-brainer. Stop talking stupid.
FALSE! People get fired every day from jobs, contract or no contract.You might. It will depend on whether or not your contract says it explicitly or whether you were failing to perform your job while you were protesting. Neither of those apply here.
I've already refuted this drivel. Ho hum. Yawn *****If people hear you talk about the bosses brother or mother, then you have harmed the reputation of someone.
If someone has a catheter and walks out to the 50 yardline and urinates, no one would know.
And talking about the bosses brother or peeing on the 50 yardline have nothing to do with kneeling. Nothing.
Being disrespectful is, however, not illegal.
Probably you're right. It's entirely too STUPID to last very long. Roger Goodell said there's only 6 or 7 dopes still doing it.`
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I see this as a "monkey see, monkey do" fad that will die off without firing anyone participating in it.
They want to insult the country let them do it on their own dime.
Just about sums up the sentiments of the majority of Americans.
True story.
Again IT DOESN'T MATTER what the football players are protesting. The point is they have made it be about the flag and soldiers by DELIBERATELY doing it DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. Simple as that. If they protested outside in th street (not while the national anthem is being sung) THEN you could say "not about the flag or soldiers" To say that now is just idiotic. I shouldn't even be dignifying such drivel with a response.The PROTEST is not about the flag or soldiers. And you don't get to decide whether they have a cause or not. They don't have to ask your permission. That is what Freedom is all about.
I am not talking stupid. I am going by what the protesters themselves have said about why they protest. You, on the other hand, ignore what they say and listen to people with an axe to grind making up shit to get you stirred up so you won't pay attention to what is really going on.
As a matter of fact, Kapernick first protested in a different way. But a friend suggested kneeling as a more respectful way to protest. That friend is a former Green Beret. He obviously doesn't feel disrespected.
What you just said is absolutely ridiculous. I can't even believe my eyes. Fire the SOBs.If given a good reason. But expecting an employer to fire people who make them competitive in their market because some snowflake can't handle a few players kneeling during the national anthem, is absolutely ridiculous.
Didn't read it because no ONE persons thought trumps a whole nation being insulted, including thousands of sailors, soldiers, marines, etc who lost their lives in war, now represented by the National Anthem. Get a brain.This is an open letter from the Green Beret who talked to Kapernick and helped him work out his method of protest. To kneel and not remain seated.
"Dear Every Single American,
Every. Single. American. Including President Trump, Colin Kaepernick, and my brothers in arms overseas who are wondering, "what in the hell is going on back there?" I'm sitting in the same chair, in the same apartment that I sat in almost a year ago when I wrote an open letter to Colin Kaepernick. I was hurt when I saw him sitting on the bench during the national anthem, but I'm much more hurt now. Not by him, not by where we're at now with the protests, but by us.
Simply put, it seems like we just hate each other; and that is far more painful to me than any protest, or demonstration, or rally, or tweet. We're told to pick a side, there's a line drawn in the sand "are you with us or against us?" It's just not who we are, or at least who we're supposed to be; we're supposed to be better than that, we're Americans. This doesn't even seem to be about right or wrong, but more about right or left.
Today it feels like this national divide isn't even really about the anthem, or the flag, or kneeling, or sitting, or fists in the air. It's not about President Donald Trump, it's not about Colin Kaepernick, it's not about the military, or even police brutality. It feels like it's about winning. That's what makes America so great, our sheer competitiveness. We're winners, and we won't quit until victory is ours.
We see it in sports everyday, we "live and die" by the outcomes of our teams. That desire to win at all cost is costing us greatly now among our neighbors. This winning mentality seems to have spilled over into an obsession with being right and not willing to admit that maybe, just maybe we were wrong. We repeat mantras to ourselves like, "no matter what I will never ever surrender."
Earlier this week I sat down with a group of five Combat Arms and Special Operations Veterans. The round table discussed our individual feelings on the flag, the anthem, and the players who knelt when it was played. We all had very different takes, but what surprised me most at the end of the discussion was that we all agreed on one thing. Colin Kaepernick and President Trump should be the ones uniting our country together. Wait...what? I know it sounds crazy, but maybe that's exactly what we need to see. Maybe that's how we start to heal. Two men sit in a room and talk, simple as that.
That's how it all started with Colin and I, neither of us knew that kneeling would be the result of our conversation. Colin wanted to sit, I wanted him to stand, and so we found a common ground on a knee alongside his teammates. I believe that progress and real change happens in this world when you reach across the divide, you build a bridge, you swallow your pride, you open your mind, you embrace what you don't understand, and ultimately you surrender.
Now I don't pretend to speak for everyone who fought overseas, many veterans rightfully disagree with my position. But I do feel that I echo the sentiments of most war fighters when I say that what we hope for more than anything right now in America is unity. To deploy overseas, train, live with, fight alongside, and ultimately defend foreigners that you have little in common with is truly a challenging task. But returning home to a country that is so divided, so judgmental, and so hateful of one another is almost as difficult to deal with as burying a fallen comrade. In fact we're still losing our brothers in arms overseas right now and it's hardly mentioned it in the media; but that's OK, we don't risk our lives and sacrifice so much for fanfare or recognition. It's not at all why we do what we do. We do what we do because you are worth it, because we love you.
I would love for those two leaders to have that conversation, but more than anything I just want us to love one another again. One great thing about freedom is that you get to choose everyday how you treat your neighbor. This IS the best country in the world, but we can always do better. I'm laying it all out there because I have to, I swore to defend this land and its people, and I will die trying. I know some people will hate this (we love to hate things these days), and I'll get called a disgrace to the Green Beret once again. But I don't care, the United States means more to me than any of that.
Over the past year I've come across veterans from various walks of life. We may actually be the most diverse sub-culture in the America. Since I myself am a Green Beret, I want to share with you a couple of messages that were sent to me from men in my former unit. One of them is white, and one of them is black:
"Hey brother. At first I was with you on the Kaepernick issue. However, I just stood in formation while one of our brothers was pulled off a plane with our nation's flag draped over the coffin. I had to fight back tears as I saw the pain in the eyes of Staff Sergeant T's wife and family. While I would like to sit here and tell you that I rose above it all, I have to be honest. My heart filled with rage. Rage for anyone who takes for granted the ideals and symbols that we fight and die for."
"Hey Brother, this is J. I spent nearly 18 years in 10th Special Forces Group and wish I had an opportunity to meet a brother like yourself. I just want to say I appreciate your views on this national anthem and flag issue. I love our country, but at the same time I have to take the time to tell my sons to act a certain way out of fear for their lives when dealing with police officers. Most of my neighbors and friends here in MD are law enforcement personnel and will tell you they also have to act a certain way to avoid confrontation and situations that normally don't occur for those that are not of color. Not all officers are bad, the majority I believe are good and poor training is attributed to some of these issues we hear of. I really just want to thank you for your taking the time out to understand and convincing him to take a knee and not sit out on what we have fought for. God Bless You Bro!"
Different backgrounds, different experiences, different colors, but at the end of the day they just want the same basic things for their families.
So please, no more lines in the sand, not at home, not among our people. No more choosing sides, no more "for or against." I believe our Veterans will be called upon to lead the way in healing the world and solving its problems; right now our country needs that more than I can remember. So I'll be here, standing in the radical middle, doing what I can to continue fighting for those that can't fight for themselves. Let's get this thing fixed together, you and me. I love you all with all my heart.
De Oppresso Liber
-- Nate Boyer"
from: Ex-Green Beret Nate Boyer pens open letter to Trump, Kaepernick, NFL and America
no, You are being played - by the Obama/Sharpton/Jackson race hustle scam. They concoct it. You fall for it.YOu want to know how to stop it? Ignore it.
When did the largest number of players kneel during the anthem? Right after Trump said they should be fired for kneeling.
This is about the show, not the protest. You have been played.
Before this thread, I thought you were a rather smart guy. Not any more.You have refuted nothing. Just like your claim that I was changing the subject was based on nothing.
But feel free to bail.
Couldn't disagree more. My uncle died in the Marianas (Pacific islands) in World War II. His memory (and thousands more like him), as represented by the National Anthem, deserves RESPECT. Especially from a bunch of relatively meaningless, overpaid, spoiled brats, few of whom ever served in the military. BIG issue - not small.I don't like the kneeling thing. But to let these players make me this angry.....well I won't as in the end it is only a few people doing something I see as a poor choice. That being said I have never been overly crazy nationalistic because it would cloud my thinking. Even keel steady as it goes is far and away the only way to go. So in this tiny issue....ignore the kneelers and ignore the hype. Not really much of anything.
They want to smear the country. Don't listen to what they say. WATCH what they DO.I say go protest at the court houses around the country .
Next, go protest the police departments around the country .
This is what their protesting, so go protest those areas ..
