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Like I said....I don't know if the audio on the gun shots can tell anyone anything, at all? I am more than retarded when it comes to guns....if my husband was not at work or my father were around, they could probably have an opinion....but I would be foolish to espouse one....I am certain the audio can be verified...where he lives vs... the vicinity of the incident, and the time of this audio can be verified as well from the service provider....and probably through the the person he was cybering with as well.
I know nothing about guns and all those shot sounds mean nothing to me that I could use to come to any kind of conclusion on what happened.
However....based on what we know, this man spending the money to hire a lawyer to turn the tape over....is probably not just looking for 15 minutes of fame...unless he's looking for a job in porn or in to voyeurism....So I think it would be premature to shoot the messenger on this....at least not until the audio is proven a fake....and my read is that it doesn't appear to be a fake....
LMAO..you think he hired that lawyer? Really? You think that tape is useful as "evidence"?
ahhh..youth..
Yes, as it stands now, and what we do know, I do think the audio can Easily be verified....and could be used as evidence if it does determine something of importance for either side.
Sounds like some guy was getting a blowjob while someone was playing GTA in the next room. That could've been recorded years ago... on another continent for all anyone here (or in the courtroom) knows.
Heard it 3 times last night. To me it sounded a bit odd. Most handgun shots sound like a very quick pop. But with this you could make out the noise of the slide, and yet the guy cybering or whatever didn't react. So I wonder if they amplified the gunshot sound from being faint and in the background, which made it sound weird and artificial.
sure...whatever Rotagilla....Like I said....I don't know if the audio on the gun shots can tell anyone anything, at all? I am more than retarded when it comes to guns....if my husband was not at work or my father were around, they could probably have an opinion....but I would be foolish to espouse one....I am certain the audio can be verified...where he lives vs... the vicinity of the incident, and the time of this audio can be verified as well from the service provider....and probably through the the person he was cybering with as well.
I know nothing about guns and all those shot sounds mean nothing to me that I could use to come to any kind of conclusion on what happened.
However....based on what we know, this man spending the money to hire a lawyer to turn the tape over....is probably not just looking for 15 minutes of fame...unless he's looking for a job in porn or in to voyeurism....So I think it would be premature to shoot the messenger on this....at least not until the audio is proven a fake....and my read is that it doesn't appear to be a fake....
LMAO..you think he hired that lawyer? Really? You think that tape is useful as "evidence"?
ahhh..youth..
Yes, as it stands now, and what we do know, I do think the audio can Easily be verified....and could be used as evidence if it does determine something of importance for either side.
That's nice.
Here's how the real world works.
He shopped that audio around until he could find a publicity hungry, desperate for attention (pro bono) lawyer who wanted to get involved in a national story this big while pretending to have some crucial "evidence".
You're really clutching at straws, here. The gunfire was captured by what I'm assuming is a generic headset designed to send and recieve audio online, not forensically gather, record and analyse expansive disturbances in the local atmosphere, i.e. - gunfire. Furthermore, the sounds you're referring to are the sound of the gunshots reverberating off of surrounding buildings; not the gun's topslide ejecting a spent shell.
sure...whatever Rotagilla....Like I said....I don't know if the audio on the gun shots can tell anyone anything, at all? I am more than retarded when it comes to guns....if my husband was not at work or my father were around, they could probably have an opinion....but I would be foolish to espouse one....I am certain the audio can be verified...where he lives vs... the vicinity of the incident, and the time of this audio can be verified as well from the service provider....and probably through the the person he was cybering with as well.
I know nothing about guns and all those shot sounds mean nothing to me that I could use to come to any kind of conclusion on what happened.
However....based on what we know, this man spending the money to hire a lawyer to turn the tape over....is probably not just looking for 15 minutes of fame...unless he's looking for a job in porn or in to voyeurism....So I think it would be premature to shoot the messenger on this....at least not until the audio is proven a fake....and my read is that it doesn't appear to be a fake....
LMAO..you think he hired that lawyer? Really? You think that tape is useful as "evidence"?
ahhh..youth..
Yes, as it stands now, and what we do know, I do think the audio can Easily be verified....and could be used as evidence if it does determine something of importance for either side.
That's nice.
Here's how the real world works.
He shopped that audio around until he could find a publicity hungry, desperate for attention (pro bono) lawyer who wanted to get involved in a national story this big while pretending to have some crucial "evidence".
You're really clutching at straws, here. The gunfire was captured by what I'm assuming is a generic headset designed to send and recieve audio online, not forensically gather, record and analyse expansive disturbances in the local atmosphere, i.e. - gunfire. Furthermore, the sounds you're referring to are the sound of the gunshots reverberating off of surrounding buildings; not the gun's topslide ejecting a spent shell.
You've clearly never heard gunfire. The report doesn't change that drastically regardless of obstructions. A 'pop' stays a pop. It will become muffled and muted with obstructions like buildings, but the actual signiture wont change from a pop to a slide-action sorta sound.
Besides, looking at the surrounding buildings of where Brown was shot in the street, presumedly this audio file came from one of those buildings. Not so far away in fact.
The sound of the shots on the tape reminds me of the sound file they used in the first "Borne Identity" movie from the end when the CIA official gets shot in the street with a suppressed weapon. But the recoil of the slide was perfectly clear.
Makes me wonder then if someone inserted a movie gunshot soundfile into the 'cybering' hence the weird report, and the lack of a reaction from the guy as the shots were ringing out.
Sounds like some guy was getting a blowjob while someone was playing GTA in the next room. That could've been recorded years ago... on another continent for all anyone here (or in the courtroom) knows.
Heard it 3 times last night. To me it sounded a bit odd. Most handgun shots sound like a very quick pop. But with this you could make out the noise of the slide, and yet the guy cybering or whatever didn't react. So I wonder if they amplified the gunshot sound from being faint and in the background, which made it sound weird and artificial.
You're really clutching at straws, here. The gunfire was captured by what I'm assuming is a generic headset designed to send and recieve audio online, not forensically gather, record and analyse expansive disturbances in the local atmosphere, i.e. - gunfire. Furthermore, the sounds you're referring to are the sound of the gunshots reverberating off of surrounding buildings; not the gun's topslide ejecting a spent shell.
Can't all of this be be confirmed, one way or the other by the FBI?You're really clutching at straws, here. The gunfire was captured by what I'm assuming is a generic headset designed to send and recieve audio online, not forensically gather, record and analyse expansive disturbances in the local atmosphere, i.e. - gunfire. Furthermore, the sounds you're referring to are the sound of the gunshots reverberating off of surrounding buildings; not the gun's topslide ejecting a spent shell.
You've clearly never heard gunfire. The report doesn't change that drastically regardless of obstructions. A 'pop' stays a pop. It will become muffled and muted with obstructions like buildings, but the actual signiture wont change from a pop to a slide-action sorta sound.
Besides, looking at the surrounding buildings of where Brown was shot in the street, presumedly this audio file came from one of those buildings. Not so far away in fact.
The sound of the shots on the tape reminds me of the sound file they used in the first "Borne Identity" movie from the end when the CIA official gets shot in the street with a suppressed weapon. But the recoil of the slide was perfectly clear.
Makes me wonder then if someone inserted a movie gunshot soundfile into the 'cybering' hence the weird report, and the lack of a reaction from the guy as the shots were ringing out.
Can't all of this be be confirmed, one way or the other by the FBI?You're really clutching at straws, here. The gunfire was captured by what I'm assuming is a generic headset designed to send and recieve audio online, not forensically gather, record and analyse expansive disturbances in the local atmosphere, i.e. - gunfire. Furthermore, the sounds you're referring to are the sound of the gunshots reverberating off of surrounding buildings; not the gun's topslide ejecting a spent shell.
You've clearly never heard gunfire. The report doesn't change that drastically regardless of obstructions. A 'pop' stays a pop. It will become muffled and muted with obstructions like buildings, but the actual signiture wont change from a pop to a slide-action sorta sound.
Besides, looking at the surrounding buildings of where Brown was shot in the street, presumedly this audio file came from one of those buildings. Not so far away in fact.
The sound of the shots on the tape reminds me of the sound file they used in the first "Borne Identity" movie from the end when the CIA official gets shot in the street with a suppressed weapon. But the recoil of the slide was perfectly clear.
Makes me wonder then if someone inserted a movie gunshot soundfile into the 'cybering' hence the weird report, and the lack of a reaction from the guy as the shots were ringing out.
Four tours of N. Ireland leave me perfectly capable of identifying gunfire over other loud, suddens sounds. "It will become muffled and muted with obstructions like buildings". Yeah, exactly like it did in the recording, which, if we're to believe is true, would suggest that the shooting occured quite close to where it was recorded, especially when you take into account the device it was recorded on. The rest of your post seems to agree that the recording under discussion could've been from anywhere, or is a simple fabrication served on a plate to an increasingly desperate media.
Can't all of this be be confirmed, one way or the other by the FBI?
One has to ask themselves: Why wasn't this incredibly important piece of 'evidence' handed to the FBI in the first place, instead of a TV station that is leading the coverage of this riot and might be inclined to offer a reward if it can lay its desperate paws on anything it may be able skew in its favour?
Four tours of N. Ireland leave me perfectly capable of identifying gunfire over other loud, suddens sounds. "It will become muffled and muted with obstructions like buildings". Yeah, exactly like it did in the recording, which, if we're to believe is true, would suggest that the shooting occured quite close to where it was recorded, especially when you take into account the device it was recorded on. The rest of your post seems to agree that the recording under discussion could've been from anywhere, or is a simple fabrication served on a plate to an increasingly desperate media.
Those tours include a continental breakfast? ...If I had a dime for every secret agent online.
I'd agree it woulda come from close by, probably less than 200 yards. Which is why the report wouldn't change very much. What we hear on the recording isn't akin to what we hear in real life, and the guy's lack of reaction to it makes no sense if it was really that clear. Which is why I wonder if they enhanced the gain on the gunshots while leaving his voice at normal levels.
When I lived in South San Francisco every New Year's there'd be celebratory (and presumedly some not so celebratory) gunfire. I know what gunshots in a city sound like from next door (damn neighbors) and farther away. And I've never heard what I heard on the tape last night.
Except in this instance I'm not claiming to be Rambo or special forces. I was a Royal Engineer, which, for the most part, meaned that I was a non-combatant, which kinda blows your lame accusation of lying out of the water. I could understand your suspicion if I claimed to be a executing IRA members with a machine while leaning out of a helicopter, but I wasn't. Would you dismiss a pizza delivery rider's claims of being able to distinguish gunfire if his argument diminished yours?
However, at first you seemed fairly certain that this recording is legit. Now you appear to be backing down, which is a smart move on your part owing to the obvious irrelevence of this recording to what sparked the riots. Glad I could help out.
Except in this instance I'm not claiming to be Rambo or special forces. I was a Royal Engineer, which, for the most part, meaned that I was a non-combatant, which kinda blows your lame accusation of lying out of the water. I could understand your suspicion if I claimed to be a executing IRA members with a machine while leaning out of a helicopter, but I wasn't. Would you dismiss a pizza delivery rider's claims of being able to distinguish gunfire if his argument diminished yours?
However, at first you seemed fairly certain that this recording is legit. Now you appear to be backing down, which is a smart move on your part owing to the obvious irrelevence of this recording to what sparked the riots. Glad I could help out.
Not familar with British units. Royal Engineers know a lot about gunfire and forensics do they? Or is it like our's and you're a glorified bricklayer?
My initial support is about the fact that as the hit patten on the decedent indicated, the officer was rapid-firing. Which is what we hear on the tape. Not, aimed shots indicating any sort of malice aforethought. But that aside, the sound is curious. Audio quality might explain it, but given the man's voice and the relative voice of the gunfire I expected him to react to it.
It's resonable a city person might ignore and continue doing what they're doing to one or two shots, but with so many youd' think, "Hang on a second..." or something reactive to it woulda been heard. This guy acted like he was deaf. So it raises the question of whether the recording's legit. Whether CNN enhanced the audio of the gunfire from a background volumn to something easier to hear on tv, etc.
It's all irrelevant.
There is no way to verify when, where that was recorded..more distractions..CNN is invalid as a source.
Regardless of what nationality they are, I'm sure any country's "glorified bricklayers" would soon learn to tell the difference between gunfire and a car backfiring. N. Ireland was designated a warzone by NATO, and although shots weren't always directed at us, we soon learned what small arms fire sounded like. Although I do hold a City & Guilds (level 3) in bricklaying.
The content of your last paragraph makes you come across as more naive in your initial belief in the truth of the recording. People in the city are more likely to react defensively to the sound of gunfire, on account of likely being directed humans as opposed to deer, the former being more likely to return fire and cause further risk. People in rural areas will often associate gunfire with deer hunting. People in an urban environment will associate gunfire with criminality and potential unaccountability, thus are more likely to react immediately. This guy just continued as if nothing was happening as rapid gunfire supposedly occured close enough for him to be affected by it, which strongly suggests that nothing was happening at all, besides a few birds chirping.
I have a friend who was a Royal Marine. Served in N.I./Falklands and some other places he can't say where to this day.Except in this instance I'm not claiming to be Rambo or special forces. I was a Royal Engineer, which, for the most part, meaned that I was a non-combatant, which kinda blows your lame accusation of lying out of the water. I could understand your suspicion if I claimed to be a executing IRA members with a machine while leaning out of a helicopter, but I wasn't. Would you dismiss a pizza delivery rider's claims of being able to distinguish gunfire if his argument diminished yours?
However, at first you seemed fairly certain that this recording is legit. Now you appear to be backing down, which is a smart move on your part owing to the obvious irrelevence of this recording to what sparked the riots. Glad I could help out.
Not familar with British units. Royal Engineers know a lot about gunfire and forensics do they? Or is it like our's and you're a glorified bricklayer?
My initial support is about the fact that as the hit patten on the decedent indicated, the officer was rapid-firing. Which is what we hear on the tape. Not, aimed shots indicating any sort of malice aforethought. But that aside, the sound is curious. Audio quality might explain it, but given the man's voice and the relative voice of the gunfire I expected him to react to it.
It's resonable a city person might ignore and continue doing what they're doing to one or two shots, but with so many youd' think, "Hang on a second..." or something reactive to it woulda been heard. This guy acted like he was deaf. So it raises the question of whether the recording's legit. Whether CNN enhanced the audio of the gunfire from a background volumn to something easier to hear on tv, etc.
Regardless of what nationality they are, I'm sure any country's "glorified bricklayers" would soon learn to tell the difference between gunfire and a car backfiring. N. Ireland was designated a warzone by NATO, and although shots weren't always directed at us, we soon learned what small arms fire sounded like. Although I do hold a City & Guilds (level 3) in bricklaying.
The content of your last paragraph makes you come across as more naive in your initial belief in the truth of the recording. People in the city are more likely to react defensively to the sound of gunfire, on account of likely being directed humans as opposed to deer, the former being more likely to return fire and cause further risk. People in rural areas will often associate gunfire with deer hunting. People in an urban environment will associate gunfire with criminality and potential unaccountability, thus are more likely to react immediately. This guy just continued as if nothing was happening as rapid gunfire supposedly occurred close enough for him to be affected by it, which strongly suggests that nothing was happening at all, besides a few birds chirping.
I have a friend who was a Royal Marine. Served in N.I./Falklands and some other places he can't say where to this day.
He was a sniper. He is the definition of a very 'hard man'. I asked him what about the Royal Engineers? He said he served with the RE all over the world. They could pick up any weapon at anytime and fight alongside him and never miss a beat.
So let's not hear from any fools who think less of the RE's. Anyone of them could snap your neck in an instant.
