CDZ Feminism promotes prostitution?

[miketx]

Yesterday was my 42 wedding anniversary.

 

[danielpalos]

masculine women;

What is that?

women who don't mind oil wrestling me to see who gets to be on top in the relationship for the week.

 

[yiostheoy]

What is that?

Women who behave, and conduct themselves as men have since the dawn of humanity's existence...

Not exactly !! That's funny though, that you have let yourself get brainwash to think they have.

For most of history women did not leave the home.

One of the notable exceptions was ancient Sparta since their men were usually gone doing warfare.

So the Spartan women were different, whereas everybody else in Greece and Rome and Persia and Egypt stayed at home.

There were one or two exceptions here and there -- Artemesia of Greece, Cleopatra of Rome, Esther of Persia -- but this was rare.

You Vastator need to read MORE and talk/type less.

I would give you the same advise. Those select anamolous cultures you referenced...? Are they still with us? Yeah... I didn't think so.

What a truly stupid sh!t you are Vastator -- with fallacies out the wazoo.

It's the CDZ, yios.

Oops ... thanks R.

 

[Vastator]

No need to raise your hackles. I see I've struck a nerve... Lemme guess... I sound like an ex husband? FWIW... I don't patronize hookers. Though I can understand the appeal. However if half my assets are on the line... That ass is mine. Simple as that.

I don't have an ex-husband.

My hackles are raised (not really) because you seem to see a wife as a piece of property, rather than a partner.

Which is why I think the smart thing for you to do is to keep paying for hookers.

Me, I was glad to have my best friend for the time I had him.

Your illiteracy isn't my problem. I don't see a wife as property. I one as a partner. And that includes sex. Sex is the only aspect that differentiates, wife from "friend". No sex? No wife. Deal with it...

Hey, don't get your hackles up. You're the one who wrote, "that ass is mine."

I can deal with your views on relationships, since they don't affect me. I'm trying to have a discussion.

As am I. As for "That ass is mine". It goes both ways. To be a spouse you need to be willing to be another person's "everything".

Didn't you say you've never been married?

No. I didn't.

 

[Vastator]

Yesterday was my 42 wedding anniversary.

Congratulations!

 

[danielpalos]

I think the right wing does more to promote prostitution with their, "work or die" ethic than feminists do.

 

[miketx]

No one promotes prostitution except pimps.

 

[ricechickie]

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

Who ever said that I did. That would be retarded. It'd be cheaper to pay for a hooker.
However a marriage without the sex, isn't a marriage. It's a needy ungrateful roomate, and another mouth to feed. Not to mention a serious impediment to the pursuits in life that make you happy.

I don't have an ex-husband.

My hackles are raised (not really) because you seem to see a wife as a piece of property, rather than a partner.

Which is why I think the smart thing for you to do is to keep paying for hookers.

Me, I was glad to have my best friend for the time I had him.

Your illiteracy isn't my problem. I don't see a wife as property. I one as a partner. And that includes sex. Sex is the only aspect that differentiates, wife from "friend". No sex? No wife. Deal with it...

Hey, don't get your hackles up. You're the one who wrote, "that ass is mine."

I can deal with your views on relationships, since they don't affect me. I'm trying to have a discussion.

As am I. As for "That ass is mine". It goes both ways. To be a spouse you need to be willing to be another person's "everything".

Didn't you say you've never been married?

No. I didn't.

Well, I guess it's neither here nor there if you've been married. Just thought your view of marriage is simplistic.

I don't think anyone can be someone else's everything. To be a spouse, you have to make up your mind to stay married. That's all. The rest is compromise, negotiation, staying connected however you can, and remembering that life with that person is better than life without them. Sometimes, you forget. But if you make up your mind to stay married, then you either get over the times you forget or you get progressively unhappier. So, from that commitment, when both people commit, you remember it's better to be happy, however you reach that point, than to have some upper hand.

 

[Vastator]

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

Who ever said that I did. That would be retarded. It'd be cheaper to pay for a hooker.
However a marriage without the sex, isn't a marriage. It's a needy ungrateful roomate, and another mouth to feed. Not to mention a serious impediment to the pursuits in life that make you happy.

Your illiteracy isn't my problem. I don't see a wife as property. I one as a partner. And that includes sex. Sex is the only aspect that differentiates, wife from "friend". No sex? No wife. Deal with it...

Hey, don't get your hackles up. You're the one who wrote, "that ass is mine."

I can deal with your views on relationships, since they don't affect me. I'm trying to have a discussion.

As am I. As for "That ass is mine". It goes both ways. To be a spouse you need to be willing to be another person's "everything".

Didn't you say you've never been married?

No. I didn't.

Well, I guess it's neither here nor there if you've been married. Just thought your view of marriage is simplistic.

I don't think anyone can be someone else's everything. To be a spouse, you have to make up your mind to stay married. That's all. The rest is compromise, negotiation, staying connected however you can, and remembering that life with that person is better than life without them. Sometimes, you forget. But if you make up your mind to stay married, then you either get over the times you forget or you get progressively unhappier. So, from that commitment, when both people commit, you remember it's better to be happy, however you reach that point, than to have some upper hand.

While you may think it's simplistic. I find that people tend to make it seem more complicated than it really is. 100% loyalty, and devotion. It really is just that simple.

 

[ricechickie]

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

Who ever said that I did. That would be retarded. It'd be cheaper to pay for a hooker.
However a marriage without the sex, isn't a marriage. It's a needy ungrateful roomate, and another mouth to feed. Not to mention a serious impediment to the pursuits in life that make you happy.

Hey, don't get your hackles up. You're the one who wrote, "that ass is mine."

I can deal with your views on relationships, since they don't affect me. I'm trying to have a discussion.

As am I. As for "That ass is mine". It goes both ways. To be a spouse you need to be willing to be another person's "everything".

Didn't you say you've never been married?

No. I didn't.

Well, I guess it's neither here nor there if you've been married. Just thought your view of marriage is simplistic.

I don't think anyone can be someone else's everything. To be a spouse, you have to make up your mind to stay married. That's all. The rest is compromise, negotiation, staying connected however you can, and remembering that life with that person is better than life without them. Sometimes, you forget. But if you make up your mind to stay married, then you either get over the times you forget or you get progressively unhappier. So, from that commitment, when both people commit, you remember it's better to be happy, however you reach that point, than to have some upper hand.

While you may think it's simplistic. I find that people tend to make it seem more complicated than it really is. 100% loyalty, and devotion. It really is just that simple.

And owning each other's asses?

 

[Vastator]

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

Who ever said that I did. That would be retarded. It'd be cheaper to pay for a hooker.
However a marriage without the sex, isn't a marriage. It's a needy ungrateful roomate, and another mouth to feed. Not to mention a serious impediment to the pursuits in life that make you happy.

As am I. As for "That ass is mine". It goes both ways. To be a spouse you need to be willing to be another person's "everything".

Didn't you say you've never been married?

No. I didn't.

Well, I guess it's neither here nor there if you've been married. Just thought your view of marriage is simplistic.

I don't think anyone can be someone else's everything. To be a spouse, you have to make up your mind to stay married. That's all. The rest is compromise, negotiation, staying connected however you can, and remembering that life with that person is better than life without them. Sometimes, you forget. But if you make up your mind to stay married, then you either get over the times you forget or you get progressively unhappier. So, from that commitment, when both people commit, you remember it's better to be happy, however you reach that point, than to have some upper hand.

While you may think it's simplistic. I find that people tend to make it seem more complicated than it really is. 100% loyalty, and devotion. It really is just that simple.

And owning each other's asses?

Till death do you part...

 

[Vastator]

... Approaching the situation with anything less leads to one of two things. Divorce; or a life of abject misery.

 

[SeaGal]

Two more thoughts - one random, tongue-in-cheek with no disrespect to the long married, or those who've lost a beloved spouse...the other to the premise of this thread.

1. If hubby crosses the bar before I do - I have no intention of raising another one.

2. re: 'Feminism promotes prostitution' - prostitution predates feminism by several millennia. Men have long been willing to pay for female companionship - even with a 'dutiful' wife waiting by the hearth.

 

[danielpalos]

It is about public policy. The right insists on a "work or die" ethic from the Age of Iron, so the rich can get richer faster, instead of equal protection of the law regarding the concept of employment at will, for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

 

[grbb]

I think most sexy beautiful women should be prostitute. It's just the most efficient way. We pick occupation with the highest pay. We got the highest pay when we do what's most valuable for others.

Not all women are sex objects of course. Only the pretty are.

Now, look at a beautiful big tities woman. What should she be? Engineer? Soldiers? Sex objects of course.

This truth is so important and profound in our evolution that it's imprinted in all men's DNA and hardwired in most men's brain. Women are sex object. When we men see beautiful women, what we think and feel the first time is how do I knock her up.

This is not lack of control or sinful thought or whatever religious leaders would want you to believe.

It's the way it's supposed to.

If you see a butcher, of course you think he is a meat provider.

The same way if you see a hot woman, what you think is of course she is a candidate to reproduce.

You don't even have to think. Through years of evolution, men that don't instinctively feel that way have gone extinct.

But western civilization (and westernized ones) are unique.

No.

Women can be anything BUT sex objects.

She can be soldiers, she can be dish washers, she can be road cleaners, she can be soldiers. But get paid for sex? Whoa..... That's oppression, demeaning, bla bla bla bla bla

Now look at white guys birth rate. You guys are going extinct. You ignore the most fundamental truth in the world. Women are sex objects. It's TRUE.

Think of any objects you want. What objects is most suitable for sexual reproduction? Think about it? Your TV? Your cat? Your Dad? What kind of objects will max out numbers of your genetic copy if you have sex with? Women.

Now some religious leaders would say. Sex is great as long as you do it within marriage.

What is the difference between marital sex and prostitution?

If you ignore the religious mambo jumbo like sanctity, sacredness. If others' opinion like "legitimacy" means little to you. Marital sex has only one positive side.

Paternity determination.

That's it.

In ancient time, before blood DNA tests, the ONLY way to know who the father is is by institution called marriage. In fact, MOST religions do not prohibit sex outside marriage as long paternity fraud is not an issue.

Ancient jewish religion, for example, allow concubinage and polygamy and sex with slaves. As long as you don't have sex with someone else' wife or fiancee you're good.

Nowadays, paternity determination in marriage is obsolete. We got DNA tests for that. Marriage is totally useless if we don't give fuck about religions and others' opinion.

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

 

[grbb]

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This mormon got a point. Don't understand why marriage though? I mean at least why civil marriage? Why the state should have anything to do with marriage?

 

[kellyd]

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

SO.....what I hear you saying is that a woman who gets PAID $350 for a half hour and does not have to take care of the kids, do his laundry, cook his food, listen to him snore or deal with his farting in bed has managed to figure out the secret to intimacy is 24/7 on demand sex. Is that right?

When you say getting paid, I think cost of a wife is millions of dollars over a life time. $350 is nothing. A wife gets my life, my home, my entire wage, my retirement, my investments, my everything. If a wife only cost $350, there would not be a single guy on the face of the Earth.

Anyway....
First off, I'm just reading what other women have written, and commenting on it.

Second, as I said before, these women from other countries seem to be able to meet their husbands need, and do so without complaining.

Are they all superheroines? Or is it a matter of priorities and making time?

Third, again for thousands of years, women have been able to do this.

The one difference between then and now, I would argue is that women because of the feminist movement, all want their own careers and high demand, high stress jobs.

So I gasp that after you spend all day at the office and you are exhausted, then you come home and still have to do all the chores in the home, then you have nothing left for your husband... yeah I get that.

Whose fault is that?

As these ladies in the article said... many of these men are paying them, not even to have sex, but just to have someone to talk to. The biggest need a man wants from a women outside of sex, is simply to have her believe in him, and support him. When he doesn't get that from home, he goes to someone else.

Now getting that intimate need met, naturally leads to close-ness and ultimately sex. That's why most affairs are started not for sexual needs, but for intimacy reasons. It's not because his office assistant had big breasts, or walked around in lingerie at the office.

It's because when he said "I was thinking about doing (x)" she said "Oh really? Tell me about that. That sounds like a great idea".

You know, I can't help but think of my sister. She's got this. When she needs alone time with her husband, she just kicks the kids out. Literally, you all go outside and play. "I don't wanna" Too bad, out. She simply makes time. By the way, she has 6 kids.

But women today don't have the choice to work, most of them. Both incomes are needed to pay the mortgage, etc. I always worked, but my husband lost his job in the crash. I worked two jobs just to keep us above water. I was careful never to be too tired for him, but it was hard coming home to a sink full of dishes, a dinner not made, laundry not done. His feelings were always paramount, but I never felt him pick up the slack for me. Over time I lost faith in him. Whose fault is that? Mine?

 

[grbb]

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

SO.....what I hear you saying is that a woman who gets PAID $350 for a half hour and does not have to take care of the kids, do his laundry, cook his food, listen to him snore or deal with his farting in bed has managed to figure out the secret to intimacy is 24/7 on demand sex. Is that right?

When you say getting paid, I think cost of a wife is millions of dollars over a life time. $350 is nothing. A wife gets my life, my home, my entire wage, my retirement, my investments, my everything. If a wife only cost $350, there would not be a single guy on the face of the Earth.

Anyway....
First off, I'm just reading what other women have written, and commenting on it.

Second, as I said before, these women from other countries seem to be able to meet their husbands need, and do so without complaining.

Are they all superheroines? Or is it a matter of priorities and making time?

Third, again for thousands of years, women have been able to do this.

The one difference between then and now, I would argue is that women because of the feminist movement, all want their own careers and high demand, high stress jobs.

So I gasp that after you spend all day at the office and you are exhausted, then you come home and still have to do all the chores in the home, then you have nothing left for your husband... yeah I get that.

Whose fault is that?

As these ladies in the article said... many of these men are paying them, not even to have sex, but just to have someone to talk to. The biggest need a man wants from a women outside of sex, is simply to have her believe in him, and support him. When he doesn't get that from home, he goes to someone else.

Now getting that intimate need met, naturally leads to close-ness and ultimately sex. That's why most affairs are started not for sexual needs, but for intimacy reasons. It's not because his office assistant had big breasts, or walked around in lingerie at the office.

It's because when he said "I was thinking about doing (x)" she said "Oh really? Tell me about that. That sounds like a great idea".

You know, I can't help but think of my sister. She's got this. When she needs alone time with her husband, she just kicks the kids out. Literally, you all go outside and play. "I don't wanna" Too bad, out. She simply makes time. By the way, she has 6 kids.

But women today don't have the choice to work, most of them. Both incomes are needed to pay the mortgage, etc. I always worked, but my husband lost his job in the crash. I worked two jobs just to keep us above water. I was careful never to be too tired for him, but it was hard coming home to a sink full of dishes, a dinner not made, laundry not done. His feelings were always paramount, but I never felt him pick up the slack for me. Over time I lost faith in him. Whose fault is that? Mine?

It's your fault. Why get married? Why not pick sugar daddies?

Marriage is socialism. Once you're stuck with someone not blood related to you, there is no further incentive to be nice to each other. No competition. Huge cost of switching.

Why government sucks? Because of that

 

[kellyd]

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

SO.....what I hear you saying is that a woman who gets PAID $350 for a half hour and does not have to take care of the kids, do his laundry, cook his food, listen to him snore or deal with his farting in bed has managed to figure out the secret to intimacy is 24/7 on demand sex. Is that right?

When you say getting paid, I think cost of a wife is millions of dollars over a life time. $350 is nothing. A wife gets my life, my home, my entire wage, my retirement, my investments, my everything. If a wife only cost $350, there would not be a single guy on the face of the Earth.

Anyway....
First off, I'm just reading what other women have written, and commenting on it.

Second, as I said before, these women from other countries seem to be able to meet their husbands need, and do so without complaining.

Are they all superheroines? Or is it a matter of priorities and making time?

Third, again for thousands of years, women have been able to do this.

The one difference between then and now, I would argue is that women because of the feminist movement, all want their own careers and high demand, high stress jobs.

So I gasp that after you spend all day at the office and you are exhausted, then you come home and still have to do all the chores in the home, then you have nothing left for your husband... yeah I get that.

Whose fault is that?

As these ladies in the article said... many of these men are paying them, not even to have sex, but just to have someone to talk to. The biggest need a man wants from a women outside of sex, is simply to have her believe in him, and support him. When he doesn't get that from home, he goes to someone else.

Now getting that intimate need met, naturally leads to close-ness and ultimately sex. That's why most affairs are started not for sexual needs, but for intimacy reasons. It's not because his office assistant had big breasts, or walked around in lingerie at the office.

It's because when he said "I was thinking about doing (x)" she said "Oh really? Tell me about that. That sounds like a great idea".

You know, I can't help but think of my sister. She's got this. When she needs alone time with her husband, she just kicks the kids out. Literally, you all go outside and play. "I don't wanna" Too bad, out. She simply makes time. By the way, she has 6 kids.

But women today don't have the choice to work, most of them. Both incomes are needed to pay the mortgage, etc. I always worked, but my husband lost his job in the crash. I worked two jobs just to keep us above water. I was careful never to be too tired for him, but it was hard coming home to a sink full of dishes, a dinner not made, laundry not done. His feelings were always paramount, but I never felt him pick up the slack for me. Over time I lost faith in him. Whose fault is that? Mine?

It's your fault. Why get married? Why not pick sugar daddies?

Lol, I thought we were having a proper discussion. I certainly wouldn't marry someone like you. I have no need of sugar daddies, but a marriage should be a partnership, not servitude. If you want a servant, go get a mail order bride, one who will be subservient. And here I thought you Americans believed in equality, lol!

 

[Andylusion]

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pickup Artistry

This mormon got a point. Don't understand why marriage though? I mean at least why civil marriage? Why the state should have anything to do with marriage?

Well... there's a number of reasons. First, if you had absolutely no laws governing who was your marital partner... who gets your estate when you die, or they die? 65% of all people die without a will.

So how does the state know, who gets your retirement, your home, your property, your everything?

When you are legally joined as one legal person, your "other half" has legal right.... as it should be.

I remember reading about a man who lived with his girlfriend for 30 years. She died. She had all the property in her name, and her name alone. All the bills were in her name. Everything was her name. After she passed away, the family didn't particularly care for this man, so they sold the property and left him with nothing. Absolutely ..... nothing. No home, no money, no property. They sold his car, and got the money.

That's what not having any legal marriage protection is.

Additionally, another problem is that when you have no legal marital connection, you end up in a partnership on assets.

The most common problem is the home, simply because it is too big of a cost usually, for only one person. (also because people tend to buy homes that are too much for them to afford).

But you and your 'girl-friend' non-wife, buy a home together. Now here's what happens... you both legally own the home jointly. That sounds like a good thing, but it's not.

Because when the "partnership" fails, and 90% of shack relationships fail.... you can't do anything about the house. In a marriage, you can go to court and force the separation of the assets. You can force the sale of the home, and split the money.

Instead, now you can't kick her out and sell the home. And she can't kick you out and sell the home. And it ends up a nightmare.

Some examples of this, that I know about personally, one couple the relationship went south, and the other person invited the new replacement into the home... while the other was still there. So literally they are in the home, they are paying for, while the 'partner' is with the "new" friend in the bed.

Can you even imagine that? You are paying the bills, for the other person to sleep with someone else. And there is nothing you can do. They own it 100%, just like you own it 100%. You can't go to court and force them to sell it, so you can get your money out, because you are not married. It's a partnership. You bought it together.

I know one person where a similar thing happened but they left and refused to pay the bill. Well the other person refused to pay the mortgage either. But here's what happened. The girl with her new boyfriend stayed in the home without paying. The home ended up in foreclosure of course, which ruined both of them. But the girl and new boyfriend were staying there rent free... so they saved up, and when the house was taken, they had enough for the new boyfriend whose credit was fine, to buy a home.

Meanwhile the original guy was just screwed, and now had collectors coming after him. Again, he can't go to court and force a separation of the assets. He's just owner of a foreclosed house.

Another one, the guy cleaned out the entire house and disappeared, leaving the girl with an empty house, and no way to pay the mortgage. Nothing she can do.

Another guy bought a car with his girlfriend together. One day a strange man showed up, she hoped in the truck with him, and drove off. Thanks for the truck. Can't go to court to force the sale of the truck... they are not married. It's equally hers.

And there are other problems like legal guardianship. Who is responsible when someone become incapacitated. Visitation rights. There are some thing that have benefits that only apply to legally married couples, that if you are not, you simply don't get those benefits.

But the big two are usually estates, and asset separation.