CDZ Feminism promotes prostitution?

[Andylusion]

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

SO.....what I hear you saying is that a woman who gets PAID $350 for a half hour and does not have to take care of the kids, do his laundry, cook his food, listen to him snore or deal with his farting in bed has managed to figure out the secret to intimacy is 24/7 on demand sex. Is that right?

When you say getting paid, I think cost of a wife is millions of dollars over a life time. $350 is nothing. A wife gets my life, my home, my entire wage, my retirement, my investments, my everything. If a wife only cost $350, there would not be a single guy on the face of the Earth.

Anyway....
First off, I'm just reading what other women have written, and commenting on it.

Second, as I said before, these women from other countries seem to be able to meet their husbands need, and do so without complaining.

Are they all superheroines? Or is it a matter of priorities and making time?

Third, again for thousands of years, women have been able to do this.

The one difference between then and now, I would argue is that women because of the feminist movement, all want their own careers and high demand, high stress jobs.

So I gasp that after you spend all day at the office and you are exhausted, then you come home and still have to do all the chores in the home, then you have nothing left for your husband... yeah I get that.

Whose fault is that?

As these ladies in the article said... many of these men are paying them, not even to have sex, but just to have someone to talk to. The biggest need a man wants from a women outside of sex, is simply to have her believe in him, and support him. When he doesn't get that from home, he goes to someone else.

Now getting that intimate need met, naturally leads to close-ness and ultimately sex. That's why most affairs are started not for sexual needs, but for intimacy reasons. It's not because his office assistant had big breasts, or walked around in lingerie at the office.

It's because when he said "I was thinking about doing (x)" she said "Oh really? Tell me about that. That sounds like a great idea".

You know, I can't help but think of my sister. She's got this. When she needs alone time with her husband, she just kicks the kids out. Literally, you all go outside and play. "I don't wanna" Too bad, out. She simply makes time. By the way, she has 6 kids.

First of all, if we are looking at working outside of the home (from the 60s-70s or even with the introduction of factories by 1830s) then you are dealing with predominantly upper middle class white women because women in all other classes have worked outside the home.

Men and women have affairs not because of feminism but because of opportunity.

When I say getting paid, I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner. Further, the fact that you have a woman in her 60s that has men between the ages of 25 and 45 seeking her out indicate they may be looking for .........mom and not a girlfriend.

So I gasp that after you spend all day at the office and you are exhausted, then you come home and still have to do all the chores in the home, then you have nothing left for your husband... yeah I get that.

Whose fault is that?

Wait......laughing too hard........hold on...ok

Yours

There are plenty of women that are out there that will do anything not to work outside the home. There is no reason for any guy to seek women that want to work or have careers if this is not what you are looking for. Stop settling. You're adults and either come to terms with it, fix it, or split. Nobody else wants to hear about it in the office or anywhere else.

Divorce Seeker's Paradise: Oklahoma Territory, 1890-1897 on JSTOR
Volney Hoggatt and the 1890’s Oklahoma Divorce Industry

People have been working on not staying together for a long time. You either meet someone that is worth the work and you are adult enough to do the work because it's what you want or you don't.

First of all, if we are looking at working outside of the home (from the 60s-70s or even with the introduction of factories by 1830s) then you are dealing with predominantly upper middle class white women because women in all other classes have worked outside the home.

There is a difference between "working outside the home" and spending their life on their career. I was reading about John Adams, the second president of the united states.

His wife did work outside the home. She bought land. Conducted business. But that never prevented her from being a wife. She still met the needs of her marriage.

I think if women spend their entire lives at work, and their marriage falls apart... that's on them. They are starving out their husbands, and their husbands will find some other woman that will meet their needs.

Now if a woman wants to have that high end all consuming career... I'm not against that. If they can balance that, and keep their marriage together, great. But for most men, if their wives are always at work, that is not a win. That's a fail.

And if they simply choose career over their marriage.... ok stay single. Stay alone. Women shouldn't get married, then pour their lives into a career, and then start crying the victim card, when their husband starved out, finds a prostitute or escort that meets their needs. That's their fault. Sorry. It is.

Men and women have affairs not because of feminism but because of opportunity.

I don't think I believe that. In fact, no I flat out deny that. Everyone has the opportunity. Everyone. Every single person, at any place in this country, and most of the world, has the opportunity.

No no no. I reject that. Especially today. You can get an escort in minutes today. Literally in minutes. You can meet people on facebook, you can download an app on your phone, that you can set a time and place to meet someone, in literally 10 minutes. I could meet up with someone, and have sex or a date, in 30 minutes.

If the only reason for affairs is opportunity, then every single man and woman on the planet wouldn't be faithful to anyone ever.

This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

Yeah, clearly this is an oppressive violation of human rights. Then stay single. Just stay single. If this is a big burden, why do you women get married at all? What did you think marriage was going to be like? Some Disney film?

I read a research survey where they found women who had the lowest expectations of marriage were routinely the happiest in marriage. The girls with these moronic Hollywood story book expectations, were routinely miserable in marriage.

...sigh....

Yours
There are plenty of women that are out there that will do anything not to work outside the home. There is no reason for any guy to seek women that want to work or have careers if this is not what you are looking for. Stop settling. You're adults and either come to terms with it, fix it, or split. Nobody else wants to hear about it in the office or anywhere else.

Mine? How can you even attempt to make that claim?
I didn't force you to get a high stress job. I didn't force you to work.

So what you are saying is, it's the guys fault for marrying you? Here's a hint.... when he says "will you marry me" you respond "no".

Don't act like someone it's our fault that we had expectations.... when those expectations are universal. Every single man on this face of the planet, only marries for two basic reasons... sex and relational intimacy. More sex, but also having someone they can talk to and confide in.

Women throughout all the world, and all human history, have understood this.

It's not rocket science. If I'm the man, and I'm asking you to marry me.... why the heck would I do that? What possible reasons would I have to ask you to marry me? I want to have sex with you. I want to be close to you. "to have and to hold" isn't just random words they put in the vows.

But you don't want to give that, and you want to do your own thing, and then try and play off that somehow it is the man's fault? This is why prostitutes and escorts are becoming so popular. This is why people are going to other countries to find wives.

Just saying. Not trying to be insulting. Really. I promise I don't mean this to be confrontational. I'm just calling it as I see it.

People have been working on not staying together for a long time. You either meet someone that is worth the work and you are adult enough to do the work because it's what you want or you don't.

Again, the primary article that I posed, these escorts are saying that these men would rather be with their wives. They don't WANT to be separated.... but they have a need... a need their wives are refusing to meet.

This isn't "I hate my wife and I want a divorce". That's not what any of the articles I posted was about, and these escorts are not saying their clients are indicating this.

In fact, one of the escorts said that men come to her, and talk about how they want their marriage to work. The problem is, the wive simply doesn't want to do what is required. They want the marriage, and the home, and the benefits of having a husband... but they don't want to meet his needs.

 

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Women gossiping about their husbands at work isn't feminism.

 

[Andylusion]

A woman who is tired, has a headache, has a backache, etc, doesn't sound like someone who can fulfill a man's needs. It sounds like her own cry for help.

Could it be a signal for the man to ask what he can do to help?

Most men after a long day at the office, are exhausted when they get home. There are many days that I get home, and I'm simply beat.

And honestly, most people in general spend more than 30 minutes watching TV. So here's a thought.... give up your TV show, and spend that time with your husband, or your wife. Again, the article that I posted, these adult escorts, these men are spending just 30 minutes to an hour a week with them. That's enough to meet the needs these men have.

You are telling me, that all these wives can't possibly find 30 minutes to one hour... A WEEK.... to spend with their husbands?

I find that difficult to buy. Can you explain that?

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

 

[Andylusion]

Women gossiping about their husbands at work isn't feminism.

The least feminist women I've met, never gosip about their husbands. The most progressive open minded feminist women I've met (that are married, which some are not)... all gosip about their husbands. And I don't mean, "wow he did something crazy the other day"... I mean the most bitter mean cruel back stabbing crap that I've ever heard. Always from a Feminist women.

I've had to listen to women carry on for hours about what useless and stupid trash their husbands were.

There was this one lady, who talked that way all the time. Then one day she mentioned her husband was retiring from his job, and that he'd worked there for 50 years. I said that he must have really liked it to be there 50 years. She replied that he hated it. So I asked why he worked there for so long if he really hated his job. "He did it for me and our kids!".... and I was sitting there thinking, and you knowing that he sacrified 50 years of his life for a job he hated, spend your entire work day talking what an awful terrible stupid person he is.....

 

[Andylusion]

A woman who is tired, has a headache, has a backache, etc, doesn't sound like someone who can fulfill a man's needs. It sounds like her own cry for help.

Could it be a signal for the man to ask what he can do to help?

Women are luckier than guys -- all they need is some buttering up and they are good to go.

They don't need the high blood pressure arousal to perform.

They can just lie there -- like they have been for tens of thousands of years.

Headache or not.

BTW coffee cures headaches.

So does a Bloody Mary.

Oh, they only want "just laying there" sex! That's a different thing altogether. Just let her get comfortable, and either don't block her view of the tv, or be careful not to jostle the novel out of her hand.

And here I thought the issue was intimacy.

Don't listen to him. He's crazy.

 

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A woman who is tired, has a headache, has a backache, etc, doesn't sound like someone who can fulfill a man's needs. It sounds like her own cry for help.

Could it be a signal for the man to ask what he can do to help?

Most men after a long day at the office, are exhausted when they get home. There are many days that I get home, and I'm simply beat.

And honestly, most people in general spend more than 30 minutes watching TV. So here's a thought.... give up your TV show, and spend that time with your husband, or your wife. Again, the article that I posted, these adult escorts, these men are spending just 30 minutes to an hour a week with them. That's enough to meet the needs these men have.

You are telling me, that all these wives can't possibly find 30 minutes to one hour... A WEEK.... to spend with their husbands?

I find that difficult to buy. Can you explain that?

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

 

[Andylusion]

A woman who is tired, has a headache, has a backache, etc, doesn't sound like someone who can fulfill a man's needs. It sounds like her own cry for help.

Could it be a signal for the man to ask what he can do to help?

Most men after a long day at the office, are exhausted when they get home. There are many days that I get home, and I'm simply beat.

And honestly, most people in general spend more than 30 minutes watching TV. So here's a thought.... give up your TV show, and spend that time with your husband, or your wife. Again, the article that I posted, these adult escorts, these men are spending just 30 minutes to an hour a week with them. That's enough to meet the needs these men have.

You are telling me, that all these wives can't possibly find 30 minutes to one hour... A WEEK.... to spend with their husbands?

I find that difficult to buy. Can you explain that?

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

And this is why American culture is in decline. This is why other cultures are growing.

Am I wrong? You realize that if we didn't have any immigration, the population of this country would be falling. If no one came here from other countries... the US would be declining right now. And by the way, they are not coming here from cultures like what you describe. They are coming from cultures like I'm talking about. What you advocate here.... doesn't work.

The man is going to eat. If the women doesn't cook for him, then he'll eat by himself. Hope women like take-out Chinese for the rest of their life.

You can say "he should, he ought, he could...." until you turn blue in the face and die. And again I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm not, really honestly. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you don't want a husband unless he cooks and cleans, you are going to be a very miserable women. Just stay single. Your chances of finding a guy like that, is extremely low.

Now honestly, I don't know many guys that specifically look for women with jobs. My sister doesn't work, and her husband was perfectly fine with that. She decided she wanted a degree from a 2-year college, and he was fine with that. Now that she has it, she's decided to stay at home. He's fine with that.

Now if she ran off and got a big career, and was too tired to be close with him, I can promise you he wouldn't be fine with that.

Men marry for that physical and relational intimacy. I haven't met a single one yet that married because she had a career. And those types of guys, I don't think you want to marry.

 

[Andylusion]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

 

[idb]

Women gossiping about their husbands at work isn't feminism.

The least feminist women I've met, never gosip about their husbands. The most progressive open minded feminist women I've met (that are married, which some are not)... all gosip about their husbands. And I don't mean, "wow he did something crazy the other day"... I mean the most bitter mean cruel back stabbing crap that I've ever heard. Always from a Feminist women.

I've had to listen to women carry on for hours about what useless and stupid trash their husbands were.

There was this one lady, who talked that way all the time. Then one day she mentioned her husband was retiring from his job, and that he'd worked there for 50 years. I said that he must have really liked it to be there 50 years. She replied that he hated it. So I asked why he worked there for so long if he really hated his job. "He did it for me and our kids!".... and I was sitting there thinking, and you knowing that he sacrified 50 years of his life for a job he hated, spend your entire work day talking what an awful terrible stupid person he is.....

Gossiping about anyone isn't feminism.
Feminism doesn't mean bad manners and a lack of decorum.
Those women can hang their shitty attitudes on feminism but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Disir]

There is a difference between "working outside the home" and spending their life on their career. I was reading about John Adams, the second president of the united states.

His wife did work outside the home. She bought land. Conducted business. But that never prevented her from being a wife. She still met the needs of her marriage.

I think if women spend their entire lives at work, and their marriage falls apart... that's on them. They are starving out their husbands, and their husbands will find some other woman that will meet their needs.

Now if a woman wants to have that high end all consuming career... I'm not against that. If they can balance that, and keep their marriage together, great. But for most men, if their wives are always at work, that is not a win. That's a fail.

And if they simply choose career over their marriage.... ok stay single. Stay alone. Women shouldn't get married, then pour their lives into a career, and then start crying the victim card, when their husband starved out, finds a prostitute or escort that meets their needs. That's their fault. Sorry. It is.

Oh, so women can work as long as you can control the type of work they do. And the guy bears no responsibility for anything. And she can run the household and raise the kids. You are adults. Fix it or get out.

I don't think I believe that. In fact, no I flat out deny that. Everyone has the opportunity. Everyone. Every single person, at any place in this country, and most of the world, has the opportunity.

No no no. I reject that. Especially today. You can get an escort in minutes today. Literally in minutes. You can meet people on facebook, you can download an app on your phone, that you can set a time and place to meet someone, in literally 10 minutes. I could meet up with someone, and have sex or a date, in 30 minutes.

If the only reason for affairs is opportunity, then every single man and woman on the planet wouldn't be faithful to anyone ever.

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. There is always opportunity. Being in a relationship is a choice. It's the beautiful thing about being an adult. Affairs are about opportunity. Men and women have forever been able to remain committed to their partners even when faced with opportunity the world over because they choose to.

Yeah, clearly this is an oppressive violation of human rights. Then stay single. Just stay single. If this is a big burden, why do you women get married at all? What did you think marriage was going to be like? Some Disney film?

I read a research survey where they found women who had the lowest expectations of marriage were routinely the happiest in marriage. The girls with these moronic Hollywood story book expectations, were routinely miserable in marriage.

Nobody said anything about an oppressive violation of human rights. What I said was these women are spending 1/2 hour with guy and they aren't responsible for anything or put up with anything.

Mine? How can you even attempt to make that claim?
I didn't force you to get a high stress job. I didn't force you to work.

So what you are saying is, it's the guys fault for marrying you? Here's a hint.... when he says "will you marry me" you respond "no".

Don't act like someone it's our fault that we had expectations.... when those expectations are universal. Every single man on this face of the planet, only marries for two basic reasons... sex and relational intimacy. More sex, but also having someone they can talk to and confide in.

Women throughout all the world, and all human history, have understood this.

It's not rocket science. If I'm the man, and I'm asking you to marry me.... why the heck would I do that? What possible reasons would I have to ask you to marry me? I want to have sex with you. I want to be close to you. "to have and to hold" isn't just random words they put in the vows.

But you don't want to give that, and you want to do your own thing, and then try and play off that somehow it is the man's fault? This is why prostitutes and escorts are becoming so popular. This is why people are going to other countries to find wives.

Just saying. Not trying to be insulting. Really. I promise I don't mean this to be confrontational. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Yep. It is your fault (as much as it is hers in this arena). If you cannot sit down and articulate what it is specifically that you want from your partner and you cannot manage to sit down and articulate what your major malfunction is in that relationship, then it is your fault.

There are many women that refuse to work outside the home and if you are one of those guys that needs economic control over your partner then find one of those chics and they will be more than happy to be your maid,your cook, your mother and your lover. You need to know what you want and you need to be able to verbalize those needs and wants to your partner or proposed partner.

It's kind of funny that you say women should maintain low expectations but you want your expectations recognized. Men and women get married for a variety of reasons and sometimes it has nothing to do with love.

Again, the primary article that I posed, these escorts are saying that these men would rather be with their wives. They don't WANT to be separated.... but they have a need... a need their wives are refusing to meet.

This isn't "I hate my wife and I want a divorce". That's not what any of the articles I posted was about, and these escorts are not saying their clients are indicating this.

In fact, one of the escorts said that men come to her, and talk about how they want their marriage to work. The problem is, the wive simply doesn't want to do what is required. They want the marriage, and the home, and the benefits of having a husband... but they don't want to meet his needs.

Reading through your post, it is hard to find any benefit to having a husband. In fact, there is no benefit at all. It sounds more like a prison sentence. It's all fun and games for someone outside of the relationship privy to one side of the relationship to discuss requirements for the other party.

Fix it or get out.

 

[Disir]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

"And you have no problem finding time to be with them?" It isn't like you get a choice. They are children.

It sounds like you don't want a partner. You want your mother.

 

[Disir]

Women gossiping about their husbands at work isn't feminism.

The least feminist women I've met, never gosip about their husbands. The most progressive open minded feminist women I've met (that are married, which some are not)... all gosip about their husbands. And I don't mean, "wow he did something crazy the other day"... I mean the most bitter mean cruel back stabbing crap that I've ever heard. Always from a Feminist women.

I've had to listen to women carry on for hours about what useless and stupid trash their husbands were.

There was this one lady, who talked that way all the time. Then one day she mentioned her husband was retiring from his job, and that he'd worked there for 50 years. I said that he must have really liked it to be there 50 years. She replied that he hated it. So I asked why he worked there for so long if he really hated his job. "He did it for me and our kids!".... and I was sitting there thinking, and you knowing that he sacrified 50 years of his life for a job he hated, spend your entire work day talking what an awful terrible stupid person he is.....

Gossiping about anyone isn't feminism.
Feminism doesn't mean bad manners and a lack of decorum.
Those women can hang their shitty attitudes on feminism but that doesn't make it so.

It's not.

 

[Vastator]

Having a wife, but not getting the sex; is like hosting a formal banquet, without the eating.
A complete, and total waste of time, effort, and money...

 

[Disir]

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

It's called survival.

 

[ricechickie]

A woman who is tired, has a headache, has a backache, etc, doesn't sound like someone who can fulfill a man's needs. It sounds like her own cry for help.

Could it be a signal for the man to ask what he can do to help?

Most men after a long day at the office, are exhausted when they get home. There are many days that I get home, and I'm simply beat.

And honestly, most people in general spend more than 30 minutes watching TV. So here's a thought.... give up your TV show, and spend that time with your husband, or your wife. Again, the article that I posted, these adult escorts, these men are spending just 30 minutes to an hour a week with them. That's enough to meet the needs these men have.

You are telling me, that all these wives can't possibly find 30 minutes to one hour... A WEEK.... to spend with their husbands?

I find that difficult to buy. Can you explain that?

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

And this is why American culture is in decline. This is why other cultures are growing.

Am I wrong? You realize that if we didn't have any immigration, the population of this country would be falling. If no one came here from other countries... the US would be declining right now. And by the way, they are not coming here from cultures like what you describe. They are coming from cultures like I'm talking about. What you advocate here.... doesn't work.

The man is going to eat. If the women doesn't cook for him, then he'll eat by himself. Hope women like take-out Chinese for the rest of their life.

You can say "he should, he ought, he could...." until you turn blue in the face and die. And again I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm not, really honestly. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you don't want a husband unless he cooks and cleans, you are going to be a very miserable women. Just stay single. Your chances of finding a guy like that, is extremely low.

Now honestly, I don't know many guys that specifically look for women with jobs. My sister doesn't work, and her husband was perfectly fine with that. She decided she wanted a degree from a 2-year college, and he was fine with that. Now that she has it, she's decided to stay at home. He's fine with that.

Now if she ran off and got a big career, and was too tired to be close with him, I can promise you he wouldn't be fine with that.

Men marry for that physical and relational intimacy. I haven't met a single one yet that married because she had a career. And those types of guys, I don't think you want to marry.

What I advocate worked for me. I'm not too terribly interested in how others negotiate their marriages.

But to blame it on "feminism"'is, in my humble opinion, wrong. Or should I say, incomplete. You could easily enough blame it on the failure of some men to evolve.

 

[Vastator]

Most men after a long day at the office, are exhausted when they get home. There are many days that I get home, and I'm simply beat.

And honestly, most people in general spend more than 30 minutes watching TV. So here's a thought.... give up your TV show, and spend that time with your husband, or your wife. Again, the article that I posted, these adult escorts, these men are spending just 30 minutes to an hour a week with them. That's enough to meet the needs these men have.

You are telling me, that all these wives can't possibly find 30 minutes to one hour... A WEEK.... to spend with their husbands?

I find that difficult to buy. Can you explain that?

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

And this is why American culture is in decline. This is why other cultures are growing.

Am I wrong? You realize that if we didn't have any immigration, the population of this country would be falling. If no one came here from other countries... the US would be declining right now. And by the way, they are not coming here from cultures like what you describe. They are coming from cultures like I'm talking about. What you advocate here.... doesn't work.

The man is going to eat. If the women doesn't cook for him, then he'll eat by himself. Hope women like take-out Chinese for the rest of their life.

You can say "he should, he ought, he could...." until you turn blue in the face and die. And again I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm not, really honestly. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you don't want a husband unless he cooks and cleans, you are going to be a very miserable women. Just stay single. Your chances of finding a guy like that, is extremely low.

Now honestly, I don't know many guys that specifically look for women with jobs. My sister doesn't work, and her husband was perfectly fine with that. She decided she wanted a degree from a 2-year college, and he was fine with that. Now that she has it, she's decided to stay at home. He's fine with that.

Now if she ran off and got a big career, and was too tired to be close with him, I can promise you he wouldn't be fine with that.

Men marry for that physical and relational intimacy. I haven't met a single one yet that married because she had a career. And those types of guys, I don't think you want to marry.

What I advocate worked for me. I'm not too terribly interested in how others negotiate their marriages.

But to blame it on "feminism"'is, in my humble opinion, wrong. Or should I say, incomplete. You could easily enough blame it on the failure of some men to evolve.

The idea that any creature evolves within its lifetime is nonsensical. Evolution is a process that takes place across a number of breedings.
It sounds more like you suggest men put up with masculine women; so that you don't have to change what you're doing. It's called "selfishness". A trait that is at the heart of the problem.

 

[ricechickie]

So, presumably, two people get home from work. Both are exhausted. You're asking the woman to set aside her exhaustion to cater to the needs of husbad's need to be intimate. Never mind that she's exhausted from her work. Never mind that in many households, it's also on her to cook dinner, do the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

Why should sex be treated as another chore on her list?

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

And this is why American culture is in decline. This is why other cultures are growing.

Am I wrong? You realize that if we didn't have any immigration, the population of this country would be falling. If no one came here from other countries... the US would be declining right now. And by the way, they are not coming here from cultures like what you describe. They are coming from cultures like I'm talking about. What you advocate here.... doesn't work.

The man is going to eat. If the women doesn't cook for him, then he'll eat by himself. Hope women like take-out Chinese for the rest of their life.

You can say "he should, he ought, he could...." until you turn blue in the face and die. And again I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm not, really honestly. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you don't want a husband unless he cooks and cleans, you are going to be a very miserable women. Just stay single. Your chances of finding a guy like that, is extremely low.

Now honestly, I don't know many guys that specifically look for women with jobs. My sister doesn't work, and her husband was perfectly fine with that. She decided she wanted a degree from a 2-year college, and he was fine with that. Now that she has it, she's decided to stay at home. He's fine with that.

Now if she ran off and got a big career, and was too tired to be close with him, I can promise you he wouldn't be fine with that.

Men marry for that physical and relational intimacy. I haven't met a single one yet that married because she had a career. And those types of guys, I don't think you want to marry.

What I advocate worked for me. I'm not too terribly interested in how others negotiate their marriages.

But to blame it on "feminism"'is, in my humble opinion, wrong. Or should I say, incomplete. You could easily enough blame it on the failure of some men to evolve.

The idea that any creature evolves within its lifetime is nonsensical. Evolution is a process that takes place across a number of breedings.
It sounds more like you suggest men put up with masculine women; so that you don't have to change what you're doing. It's called "selfishness". A trait that is at the heart of the problem.

If women are working, contributing to the finances of the household, cooking, cleaning, raising the children, without help from her partner, then she's not selfish.

Please don't misunderstand the word, "evolve." It just means to change, and people definitely can change over their lifetimes.

 

[Vastator]

Well the question is, do you want to have a good marriage?

If no.... then no, you can do whatever the heck you want.

If yes... then yes. You need to be a wife. That's why he married you. If you are not going to be a wife, then men will tend to find someone who will.

And yes, I agree it is on her to do most of the housework and cook dinner, and the majority of childcare, and housekeeping duties.

This is called "normal". This is the way it has been for thousands on thousands of years, throughout all nations of the Earth.

There is not one civilization, in any period of time, where men did the house keeping, child rearing, cleaning, cooking and so on.

Again, I think women in this country have unrealistic expectations. If you think because you have some high-powered career, that your husband is going to do all those things, you are crazy. Aside from the exceptionally rare "mr mom" guy out there, if you get married and have that expectation, you are going to be one seriously bitter and miserable wife, and eventually divorced.

Again, this is why we see a rise in mail-order brides. I talk to foreign wives many times in the passed, and their answer to you would be "well yeah.... of course.".

Now if you want to big career... ok. That's your choice. But understand, if you don't do what is required to be married, then your husband will likely find someone who will. Stay single.

You generally can't have it both ways. I was listening to a BBC documentary about Japan's population crash, and one of hte primary factors is, women with big careers don't get married. Because they simply don't want to do all the things expected of a wife, so they don't. Of course they are miserable, lonely, and they even have a now a "male escort" industry where these high-income women, are now buying men to take them around town, and after-hours activities.

I don't know how else to say this. You can't have both. You have to choose what is the priority for you. If you want the big job, and the big career.... that's fine. But stay single, unless you want to be one of these women shedding massive tears of the fact their husband that they neglected, found someone else.

And all the research I've seen, suggests women with those big jobs are not happy.



Meet the Least Happy People in America

Profile of the most happy workers:

• Male
• 39 years old
• Married
• Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
• In a senior management position
• 1 young child at home
• A wife who works part-time

Profile of the LEAST happy worker:

• Female
• 42 years old
• Unmarried (and no children)
• Household income under $100,000
• In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Like I said, I have this co-worker, who is a hard working man. He made $100,000 a year as a contractor. His first wife was an American, and he didn't go into details, but he said it just wasn't a mariage. But one of his contractor friends, married a Nepal wife, and suggest the same, and so he went there foudn a wife, and they've been married 20 years.

If a man marries a woman who works, he should be prepared for her to come home tired just like he does. So home life should be negotiated, so neither partner is overburdened. A husband who isn't willing to cook should be at least willing to make reservations, or not eat. A man who isn't willing to care for his own children shouldn't have any.

And this is why American culture is in decline. This is why other cultures are growing.

Am I wrong? You realize that if we didn't have any immigration, the population of this country would be falling. If no one came here from other countries... the US would be declining right now. And by the way, they are not coming here from cultures like what you describe. They are coming from cultures like I'm talking about. What you advocate here.... doesn't work.

The man is going to eat. If the women doesn't cook for him, then he'll eat by himself. Hope women like take-out Chinese for the rest of their life.

You can say "he should, he ought, he could...." until you turn blue in the face and die. And again I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm not, really honestly. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you don't want a husband unless he cooks and cleans, you are going to be a very miserable women. Just stay single. Your chances of finding a guy like that, is extremely low.

Now honestly, I don't know many guys that specifically look for women with jobs. My sister doesn't work, and her husband was perfectly fine with that. She decided she wanted a degree from a 2-year college, and he was fine with that. Now that she has it, she's decided to stay at home. He's fine with that.

Now if she ran off and got a big career, and was too tired to be close with him, I can promise you he wouldn't be fine with that.

Men marry for that physical and relational intimacy. I haven't met a single one yet that married because she had a career. And those types of guys, I don't think you want to marry.

What I advocate worked for me. I'm not too terribly interested in how others negotiate their marriages.

But to blame it on "feminism"'is, in my humble opinion, wrong. Or should I say, incomplete. You could easily enough blame it on the failure of some men to evolve.

The idea that any creature evolves within its lifetime is nonsensical. Evolution is a process that takes place across a number of breedings.
It sounds more like you suggest men put up with masculine women; so that you don't have to change what you're doing. It's called "selfishness". A trait that is at the heart of the problem.

If women are working, contributing to the finances of the household, cooking, cleaning, raising the children, without help from her partner, then she's not selfish.

Please don't misunderstand the word, "evolve." It just means to change, and people definitely can change over their lifetimes.

How does having a job, and doing domestic duties justify ignoring the man's physical "needs"?

 

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masculine women;

What is that?

 

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Having a wife, but not getting the sex; is like hosting a formal banquet, without the eating.
A complete, and total waste of time, effort, and money...

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?