Fatah And Hamas Terrorist To Sign Peace deal

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    I guess there is nobody to negotiate with now right? We don't negotiate with terrorist..I least I hope Obama is not going to change that policy.

    Fatah, Hamas end feud, agree to interim government



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    (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah group inked a deal on Wednesday with bitter rival Hamas to end their long-running feud and form an interim government ahead of elections within a year.

    Israel said the accord, which was brokered in secrecy by Egypt, would not secure peace in the Middle East and urged Abbas to carry on shunning the Islamist movement, which has governed the Gaza Strip since 2007 after ousting Fatah in a civil war.

    Forging Palestinian unity is regarded as crucial to reviving any prospect for an independent Palestinian state, but Western powers have always refused to deal with Hamas because of its refusal to recognize Israel and renounce violence.

    "We have agreed to form a government composed of independent figures that would start preparing for presidential and parliamentary elections," said Azzam al-Ahmad, the head of Fatah's negotiating team in Cairo.

    "Elections would be held in about eight months from now," he said, adding the Arab League would oversee the implementation of the agreement.

    In the West Bank city of Ramallah, Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rdainah said the reconciliation was not Israel's concern.

    "Netanyahu must choose between a just peace with the united Palestinian people ... and settlements," Abu Rdaineh said.

    At news conference in Cairo, where the Fatah and Hamas leaders sat side by side, Ahmad said Palestinians had paid a heavy price for their infighting.

    "We are proud that we now possess the national will to end our divisions so we can end the occupation of Palestine ... the last occupation in history."

    Hamas' deputy leader, Moussa Abu Marzouk, added: "Our rift gave the occupation a chance. Today we turn a new page."

    Hamas won the last Palestinian legislative elections held in 2006 and a new ballot is months overdue. Israel is worried such a vote could hand Hamas control of the occupied West Bank, which is run by Abbas and his more secular supporters.

    "The Palestinian Authority must choose either peace with Israel or peace with Hamas. There is no possibility for peace with both," Netanyahu said in a televised statement.

    The White House said Hamas was "a terrorist organization" and added that any Palestinian government would have to renounce violence. A U.S. official said it would also have to respect past peace deals and recognize Israel's right to exist.

    Both Hamas and Fatah, however, dismissed Netanyahu's ultimatum. "Abu Mazen (Abbas) has said we want Hamas, Hamas is part of the Palestinian national fabric," Fatah's Ahmad said.

    Hamas spokesman Taher al-Noono also said Israel was "not concerned with Palestinian reconciliation and has been an impediment to it in the past."

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    The surprise accord came against the backdrop of tumult across the Middle East and followed the ousting in February of Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak, who was a close ally of the United States and had no patience for Hamas.

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    Well I think it's like poker at the moment. The US went against it's rhetoric in voting against the UN condemnation of Israel's settlement building and in that in reality ended any possibility of peace through the established route since Oslo but it was known before that the settlements and the 'matrix of control' for Israel had already made the possibility of a two state solution non viable.

    Palestinians have decided to declare their own state in September. In order to be economically viable they need Gaza and they need access to Gaza. That requires Hamas and Fatah to reconcile. This was given added support by peaceful protesters demanding unity . There are other political voices than just Hamas and Fatah and it should not be assumed that either Hamas or Fatah will get an overall majority in the forthcoming elections.

    Then in September Palestine is to declare itself a State. What then? I hear possibly Israel will unsurprisingly annex the settlements. What then...


    What will happen? Abbas has said categorically there will not be war - but he did say that was because they had no military.

    If the Palestinians are sensible and get it together peacefully...what then? Nato in to protect the Palestinians perhaps?

    It is a very fluid situation.

    Netanyahu fell into the Palestinians' diplomatic trap - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
     
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    There is no what then? Doesn’t matter what anybody declares there is no way Israel would accept any of that crap, no way they go back to the '67' boarders, they can’t even get the Arabs in the territories to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, so there is nothing left to talk about.
     
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    The world is changing. You seem to have an extremist view that Israel has the right to subjugate the Palestinians into little bantustans.

    Palestinians currently lack basic human rights so I would get off any high horse you have put yourself on to support the illegal stealing of land and resources and the gross lack of human rights which Israel is deploying against the Palestinian people while it is stealing their land in this illegal occupation

    Separate and Unequal | Human Rights Watch

    Old slogans do not work with new realities. I was unsure whether to put this post here or in the thread I put it in because they overlap but consider it part of my answer.

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...y-deal-with-guarded-optimism.html#post3582589

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    Israel will have a choice of '67 boundaries or a one state solution with equal human rights and citizenship for all. The choice she has been making till now by her actions is the one state solution. The Palestinians are for the time being still going with the two state resolution.
     
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    Yeah...Ok.....I never said there couldn't be a two state solution I said the '67' boaders are out. I also said the Arabs would have to accept a Jewish state which they have failed to do. Oh...and don't waste my time with links to "Human Rights Watch".
     
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    The current set up does not present the possibility for a viable Palestinian State. What is required is for Israel to start dismantling the settlements so that Palestine can have from the Green Line. However there is a possibility that settlers who have not harmed Palestinians could stay provided they accepted Palestinian Citizenship. This would probably mean all the religious nationalist would need to be against their will rehoused but they should never have been allowed there in the first instance. Those who were unable to resist the subsidised housing and who have no history of violent or hostile behaviour possibly could stay if that was there wish. I think that might be a possible compromise.

    Otherwise it is going to be a one state solution and in case you don't know that is the very last thing Israel wants.

    They have accepted Israel. Hamas has not but the PLO did decades ago. Too much is made about Hamas not accepting Israel.

    The issue is not whether Hamas recognises Israel - Council on Foreign Relations

    Israel is not only Jewish so I do not see why it should be only a Jewish state. That puts non Jews at a disadvantage. It needs to be a State for all its citizens.

    Ah! Does this go with the desire for a Jewish only State. Not interested in Human Rights. It is a detailed report. You should read it. You cannot argue what you refuse to see.
     
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    Blah...Blah...blah..What Israel has to do...What the Jews have to do..So what do the Arabs have to do again? Israel was founded as a Jewish state and until it is recognized as such there is no need to talk. That doesn't mean non Jewish Israelis are any less citizens then Jews, Can the Arabs say the same? Any future Arab state in the territories will be demilitarized and determined by the security needs of Israel get over it..Oh and why don't you look and see what "Human Rights Watch" has to say about The U.S. Arizona ECT..Like I said don't waste my time
     
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