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Why do you and the other fundies feel a need to spam the thread with your pointless cut and paste?LOL! and what is your answers? Creation from a "big bang"?? Life fro evolved pond scum? ROFLMAO!What's more "reasonable" than talking snakes, dead men rising, making animal sacrifice to the gawds, Arks, floods, End of Days, etc.
On the other hand, naturalistic explanations have passed through the filter of the scientific method or are at least founded upon reasonable inductive hypotheses based on the available evidence. This has proven again and again to be far superior to any other method in bringing us to a better understanding of the universe, life, and even our place in it.
It's actually comical to watch you science loathing types assume a lot more than just an absurd, illogical frame of reference. You're forced to postulate natural reality is also evidence of the supernatural (thereby hopelessly blurring what is meant by "natural" and "supernatural"), and you then proceed to assume a written text (in your case, one or more versions of bibles) is somehow accurate in its perception of the metaphysical. This assumption is based purely on the texts self-proclaiming themselves this authority, and upon nothing else. The Flat Earth'er is further burdened by appealing to a worldview where reality isn't cohesive-- a reality in which worlds are created by thoughts, seas part, dead men rise, men "ascend to heaven", shrubbery spontaneously bursts into flame... and Oh yeah, that talking snake thing.
BZZZT Wrong on both counts!
The big bang consisted of matter and energy that already existed, hence it wasn't "created".
Pond scum is a life form.
Huh? So now the laws of physics allowing for quantum fluctuations consist of matter and energy?
_________________________________
A man walks into a bar and bellys up.
Moments later, just when the man is about to order, a duck walks into the bar, picks up a chair, slams it over the man's head and quacks.
Moments later, a monkey walks into the bar, grabs the duck and drop kicks him through the glass window and into the street. The duck shacks it off, flies back into the bar through the broken window, grabs the monkey by his tail, and throws him out window.
The man struggles to his feet, grabs the duck and throws him across the room. The duck hits the wall head first and is knocked out cold. The man then staggers to the bar and orders a shot of whiskey.
Flabbergasted, the bartender exclaims, "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the man. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke that damn duck shows up."
Minutes later the duck comes to.
"Hey, duck," says the bartender. "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the duck. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke, I'm suddenly walking into a bar somewhere in the world behind that man right there. I got better things to do with my time. I figured if I killed the man the nightmare would end."
"So what's the deal with that monkey?" asks the bartender.
"Don't know," says the duck. "That's the first time that lunatic walked into the bar behind me."
Moments later, the monkey walks back into the bar and glares at the duck.
"So what's your story?" the bartender asks.
Says the monkey, "That duck dropped a load on my head as he flew over, landed and walked into this bar.
You've gone from failed and discredited claims of magic and supernaturalism to pointless spamming the thread with duck jokes.Why do you and the other fundies feel a need to spam the thread with your pointless cut and paste?LOL! and what is your answers? Creation from a "big bang"?? Life fro evolved pond scum? ROFLMAO!What's more "reasonable" than talking snakes, dead men rising, making animal sacrifice to the gawds, Arks, floods, End of Days, etc.
On the other hand, naturalistic explanations have passed through the filter of the scientific method or are at least founded upon reasonable inductive hypotheses based on the available evidence. This has proven again and again to be far superior to any other method in bringing us to a better understanding of the universe, life, and even our place in it.
It's actually comical to watch you science loathing types assume a lot more than just an absurd, illogical frame of reference. You're forced to postulate natural reality is also evidence of the supernatural (thereby hopelessly blurring what is meant by "natural" and "supernatural"), and you then proceed to assume a written text (in your case, one or more versions of bibles) is somehow accurate in its perception of the metaphysical. This assumption is based purely on the texts self-proclaiming themselves this authority, and upon nothing else. The Flat Earth'er is further burdened by appealing to a worldview where reality isn't cohesive-- a reality in which worlds are created by thoughts, seas part, dead men rise, men "ascend to heaven", shrubbery spontaneously bursts into flame... and Oh yeah, that talking snake thing.
BZZZT Wrong on both counts!
The big bang consisted of matter and energy that already existed, hence it wasn't "created".
Pond scum is a life form.
Huh? So now the laws of physics allowing for quantum fluctuations consist of matter and energy?
_________________________________
A man walks into a bar and bellys up.
Moments later, just when the man is about to order, a duck walks into the bar, picks up a chair, slams it over the man's head and quacks.
Moments later, a monkey walks into the bar, grabs the duck and drop kicks him through the glass window and into the street. The duck shacks it off, flies back into the bar through the broken window, grabs the monkey by his tail, and throws him out window.
The man struggles to his feet, grabs the duck and throws him across the room. The duck hits the wall head first and is knocked out cold. The man then staggers to the bar and orders a shot of whiskey.
Flabbergasted, the bartender exclaims, "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the man. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke that damn duck shows up."
Minutes later the duck comes to.
"Hey, duck," says the bartender. "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the duck. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke, I'm suddenly walking into a bar somewhere in the world behind that man right there. I got better things to do with my time. I figured if I killed the man the nightmare would end."
"So what's the deal with that monkey?" asks the bartender.
"Don't know," says the duck. "That's the first time that lunatic walked into the bar behind me."
Moments later, the monkey walks back into the bar and glares at the duck.
"So what's your story?" the bartender asks.
Says the monkey, "That duck dropped a load on my head as he flew over, landed and walked into this bar.
Not so! That's an original a man walks into a bar followed by a duck joke made up by me. You won't find that anywhere on the Internet but right here.
Got quack?
Oh wait, you got energy and matter existing prior to the Big Bang too? LOL! Yeah. You got quack.
You've gone from failed and discredited claims of magic and supernaturalism to pointless spamming the thread with duck jokes.Why do you and the other fundies feel a need to spam the thread with your pointless cut and paste?LOL! and what is your answers? Creation from a "big bang"?? Life fro evolved pond scum? ROFLMAO!What's more "reasonable" than talking snakes, dead men rising, making animal sacrifice to the gawds, Arks, floods, End of Days, etc.
On the other hand, naturalistic explanations have passed through the filter of the scientific method or are at least founded upon reasonable inductive hypotheses based on the available evidence. This has proven again and again to be far superior to any other method in bringing us to a better understanding of the universe, life, and even our place in it.
It's actually comical to watch you science loathing types assume a lot more than just an absurd, illogical frame of reference. You're forced to postulate natural reality is also evidence of the supernatural (thereby hopelessly blurring what is meant by "natural" and "supernatural"), and you then proceed to assume a written text (in your case, one or more versions of bibles) is somehow accurate in its perception of the metaphysical. This assumption is based purely on the texts self-proclaiming themselves this authority, and upon nothing else. The Flat Earth'er is further burdened by appealing to a worldview where reality isn't cohesive-- a reality in which worlds are created by thoughts, seas part, dead men rise, men "ascend to heaven", shrubbery spontaneously bursts into flame... and Oh yeah, that talking snake thing.
BZZZT Wrong on both counts!
The big bang consisted of matter and energy that already existed, hence it wasn't "created".
Pond scum is a life form.
Huh? So now the laws of physics allowing for quantum fluctuations consist of matter and energy?
_________________________________
A man walks into a bar and bellys up.
Moments later, just when the man is about to order, a duck walks into the bar, picks up a chair, slams it over the man's head and quacks.
Moments later, a monkey walks into the bar, grabs the duck and drop kicks him through the glass window and into the street. The duck shacks it off, flies back into the bar through the broken window, grabs the monkey by his tail, and throws him out window.
The man struggles to his feet, grabs the duck and throws him across the room. The duck hits the wall head first and is knocked out cold. The man then staggers to the bar and orders a shot of whiskey.
Flabbergasted, the bartender exclaims, "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the man. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke that damn duck shows up."
Minutes later the duck comes to.
"Hey, duck," says the bartender. "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the duck. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke, I'm suddenly walking into a bar somewhere in the world behind that man right there. I got better things to do with my time. I figured if I killed the man the nightmare would end."
"So what's the deal with that monkey?" asks the bartender.
"Don't know," says the duck. "That's the first time that lunatic walked into the bar behind me."
Moments later, the monkey walks back into the bar and glares at the duck.
"So what's your story?" the bartender asks.
Says the monkey, "That duck dropped a load on my head as he flew over, landed and walked into this bar.
Not so! That's an original a man walks into a bar followed by a duck joke made up by me. You won't find that anywhere on the Internet but right here.
Got quack?
Oh wait, you got energy and matter existing prior to the Big Bang too? LOL! Yeah. You got quack.
How sad for you.
Your typical spam. I guess you're just desperate to cover the history of your failed arguments.You've gone from failed and discredited claims of magic and supernaturalism to pointless spamming the thread with duck jokes.Why do you and the other fundies feel a need to spam the thread with your pointless cut and paste?LOL! and what is your answers? Creation from a "big bang"?? Life fro evolved pond scum? ROFLMAO!What's more "reasonable" than talking snakes, dead men rising, making animal sacrifice to the gawds, Arks, floods, End of Days, etc.
On the other hand, naturalistic explanations have passed through the filter of the scientific method or are at least founded upon reasonable inductive hypotheses based on the available evidence. This has proven again and again to be far superior to any other method in bringing us to a better understanding of the universe, life, and even our place in it.
It's actually comical to watch you science loathing types assume a lot more than just an absurd, illogical frame of reference. You're forced to postulate natural reality is also evidence of the supernatural (thereby hopelessly blurring what is meant by "natural" and "supernatural"), and you then proceed to assume a written text (in your case, one or more versions of bibles) is somehow accurate in its perception of the metaphysical. This assumption is based purely on the texts self-proclaiming themselves this authority, and upon nothing else. The Flat Earth'er is further burdened by appealing to a worldview where reality isn't cohesive-- a reality in which worlds are created by thoughts, seas part, dead men rise, men "ascend to heaven", shrubbery spontaneously bursts into flame... and Oh yeah, that talking snake thing.
BZZZT Wrong on both counts!
The big bang consisted of matter and energy that already existed, hence it wasn't "created".
Pond scum is a life form.
Huh? So now the laws of physics allowing for quantum fluctuations consist of matter and energy?
_________________________________
A man walks into a bar and bellys up.
Moments later, just when the man is about to order, a duck walks into the bar, picks up a chair, slams it over the man's head and quacks.
Moments later, a monkey walks into the bar, grabs the duck and drop kicks him through the glass window and into the street. The duck shacks it off, flies back into the bar through the broken window, grabs the monkey by his tail, and throws him out window.
The man struggles to his feet, grabs the duck and throws him across the room. The duck hits the wall head first and is knocked out cold. The man then staggers to the bar and orders a shot of whiskey.
Flabbergasted, the bartender exclaims, "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the man. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke that damn duck shows up."
Minutes later the duck comes to.
"Hey, duck," says the bartender. "What the hell was that all about?"
"Don't know, exactly" says the duck. "But every time someone tells a man walks into a bar joke, I'm suddenly walking into a bar somewhere in the world behind that man right there. I got better things to do with my time. I figured if I killed the man the nightmare would end."
"So what's the deal with that monkey?" asks the bartender.
"Don't know," says the duck. "That's the first time that lunatic walked into the bar behind me."
Moments later, the monkey walks back into the bar and glares at the duck.
"So what's your story?" the bartender asks.
Says the monkey, "That duck dropped a load on my head as he flew over, landed and walked into this bar.
Not so! That's an original a man walks into a bar followed by a duck joke made up by me. You won't find that anywhere on the Internet but right here.
Got quack?
Oh wait, you got energy and matter existing prior to the Big Bang too? LOL! Yeah. You got quack.
How sad for you.
So, a duck walks into a bar and quacks, "Energy and matter existed before the Big Bang." The bartender tells the duck he's a quack and bounces him out on his ear. Moments later a man steps over the duck on the sidewalk and walks into the bar.
"Say, what's up with that duck?" the man asks the bartender.
"He's a quack. That's what's up. And, say, I don't like the looks of you. Tell me, what do you know about quantum physics?"
[me: Oh, sure. Science sits on their self-acclaimed throne, but when so often confronted with the possibility their confounding findings point to a supreme being or intelligence --- all too often they back off and say "that is not our area of study."
Then what good are they? They are a notch or two above other sources trying to entertain us for a time.
Jonathan Swift (17th century English satirist) speaking of the achievements of science and its reflection upon its own laurels. ---- "And he, whose fortunes and dispositions have placed him in a convenient station to enjoy the fruits of this noble art; he that can with Epicurus content his ideas with the films and images that fly-off upon his senses from the superficies of things; such a man truly wise, creams off nature, leaving the sour and the dregs for philosophy and reason to lap up. This is the sublime and refined point of felicity, called, the possession of being well deceived; the serene peaceful state of being a fool among knaves."}
You quoted so much to come back with so little. Science does much more than simply entertain us. It has taken us leaps and bounds beyond what we were only a hundred years ago. Imagine where it will take us in the next thousand.
The quote sufficed. Did you miss or ignore the point on purpose?
If science is want to render an opinion on the evidence for an intelligent designer, then they deal only with mammon. It causes devotees more harm than good if they use it to ignore the Creator.
So doubling our lifespan, finding cures to countless diseases, giving us ways to vastly increase food production and dauntlessly working towards abundant clean energy does more harm than good to society does it?
Do not equate science with atheism, dolt.
It has been said by many Christians that one of the primary reasons for someone being an atheist and saying that they don't believe is because they don't want to believe. They don't want to ask the hard question "What if I'm wrong?" because they can't accept the implications of that questioning. They claim that we as atheists take the easy way out but I argue that it is just the opposite. Christians downright refuse to humor any kind of questioning when it comes to their belief. They refuse to look inside themselves and ask "What if there is no God?" because they are terrified of the implications of that question. They claim we are afraid of hell but in fact it is they who are afraid of oblivion. Of nonexistence. Understandably so. The idea of ceasing to exist is unpleasant to say the least. That is why being an atheist is far from the easy way out.
As an atheist you look that unpleasant reality in the face, swallow your fear and accept it and live your life to its fullest. Being a Christian is a way of ignoring the fact that the world is an unpleasant and often unjust place where some people live their whole lives in despair before their flame of consciousness goes out forever. This world can be cruel and unfair but as atheists we accept that it's the only one we are ever going to get and that motivates us to fight our hardest to make it a better and brighter one. For our sake and for the sake of our children. We don't turn away from reality and turn a wishful eye to an afterlife that isn't going to happen.
Lol, bullshit.
Atheism is a fringe cult where people simply want to avoid objective moral values systems that crimp their 'life style', whatever that may be from dope smoking law breakers to gays to commie fucktards.
If Christians are wrong, then there is only oblivion, and no one to suffer at all for any reason. Just *poof* and nothing matters any more. Hardly the stuff that requires courage.
What requires courage is to believe that a Creator has set some tough standards for your life and how you live and you will answer for how you live.
Atheism has all the 'courage' of the child that never has to mind or obey their parents because there is no plausible punishment that they might get for behaving badly.
AKA a Big Brat.
Your post only reveals your ignorance and the fact that you don't know anything beyond the one viewpoint you've likely been raised to hold because you are arrogant enough to think that it is automatically the best because it's held by you and yours.
Right, because we just kill our children, oh no wait, that's a Christian I'm thinking of: Andrea Yates
Or send our children across foreign borders illegally to be re-educated, shit no that's Christians too: Kidnapped for Christ.
Or maybe we go commit murder because some prominent figure, related to our "fringe cult" told us too. Oh no wait, that's also Christians. I'm all mixed up right now aren't I?: Christian cult members on trial for murder Christian News on Christian Today
Sure because, none of the other religions exist right? They don't factor into the equation at all do they?
Of course, because there's nothing called the justice system and the penal system that will make sure they spend the only life they think they'll ever get behind bars trying not to get rapped or anything like that.
My advice to you. Quit now.
You try to use fringe Christian protestant sects to represent Christianity when catholics are 80% of the faith and simply ignore us unless you want to bring up the Inquisition which it is known fact killed less than 5000 people in its entire history.
But what I am describing about atheist behavior and influence on government is the MAIN STREAM of atheists globally. When atheists are in power people lose freedom and have horrid loss of civil rights and they get slaughtered like animals, because that is all humanity is to atheists - animals.
So you can keep brining up weird cults living in caves in Utah and say that they represent typical Christians if you want, but a quick glance at your subject makes it clear that you are comparing apples to hand grenades.
But with the vast majority of atheists living in China, some 500 million of you, it is the atheistic Chicom regime that typifies atheism and my presentation completely fair. And if atheists had totally control in the USA they would set up re-education camps and triple the number of incarcerated in all forms within the first five years.
That is called freedom FROM religion and it is the Constitutional right of all atheists.Atheism is borne from Fear, Selfishness and Arrogance and Total Self Centeredness. "I am the Center of the Universe!"
Atheists are actually afraid of going to Hell but for whatever reason they don't want to adhere to ANY Church doctrine! Catholic, Christian OR Muslim!
But what MANY of them won't tell you is that they listen to "Ascended Masters" that speak to them.
No WAY those "ascended masters" could be Demons right?
It never fails!
When the theists can't come back with reason and logic they quote their bible as it to ward off "evil spirits" like the demons of Science, Evolution and Facts.
You seriously have never cracked open a history text book before have you? Throughout European history, the Catholic church literally dominated nearly every aspect of people's lives. Theocracy is nothing short of evil. Just look at what is going on in the Middle East right now. That is a prime example of what theocracy looks like. The Salem Witch Trials are another prime example of what happens in a society dominated by the Christian law. And where on Earth are you getting the information that most atheists live in China? Did you just pick your least favorite country (probably because it was communist) and then figure it must be so bad because it's filled with atheists? Your views are warped beyond anything I've seen before. And like I said, It is Christians that literally force their children to be sent to schools in the middle of the night to be reeducated if they're gay or don't believe.
That is called freedom FROM religion and it is the Constitutional right of all atheists.
Once again we see that the OP is 100% correct that the faith of theists stems from fear. In this instance it is the fear of mythical "demons".
Please note that this was something that was brought up by the theists themselves. No atheist invoked these "demons". They sprang from the fingers of a theist in this thread.
[me: Oh, sure. Science sits on their self-acclaimed throne, but when so often confronted with the possibility their confounding findings point to a supreme being or intelligence --- all too often they back off and say "that is not our area of study."
Then what good are they? They are a notch or two above other sources trying to entertain us for a time.
Jonathan Swift (17th century English satirist) speaking of the achievements of science and its reflection upon its own laurels. ---- "And he, whose fortunes and dispositions have placed him in a convenient station to enjoy the fruits of this noble art; he that can with Epicurus content his ideas with the films and images that fly-off upon his senses from the superficies of things; such a man truly wise, creams off nature, leaving the sour and the dregs for philosophy and reason to lap up. This is the sublime and refined point of felicity, called, the possession of being well deceived; the serene peaceful state of being a fool among knaves."}
You quoted so much to come back with so little. Science does much more than simply entertain us. It has taken us leaps and bounds beyond what we were only a hundred years ago. Imagine where it will take us in the next thousand.
The quote sufficed. Did you miss or ignore the point on purpose?
If science is want to render an opinion on the evidence for an intelligent designer, then they deal only with mammon. It causes devotees more harm than good if they use it to ignore the Creator.
So doubling our lifespan, finding cures to countless diseases, giving us ways to vastly increase food production and dauntlessly working towards abundant clean energy does more harm than good to society does it?
Do not equate science with atheism, dolt.
Do not misquote me as saying things I never said, dolt.
That is called freedom FROM religion and it is the Constitutional right of all atheists.Atheism is borne from Fear, Selfishness and Arrogance and Total Self Centeredness. "I am the Center of the Universe!"
Atheists are actually afraid of going to Hell but for whatever reason they don't want to adhere to ANY Church doctrine! Catholic, Christian OR Muslim!
It has been said by many Christians that one of the primary reasons for someone being an atheist and saying that they don't believe is because they don't want to believe. They don't want to ask the hard question "What if I'm wrong?" because they can't accept the implications of that questioning. They claim that we as atheists take the easy way out but I argue that it is just the opposite. Christians downright refuse to humor any kind of questioning when it comes to their belief. They refuse to look inside themselves and ask "What if there is no God?" because they are terrified of the implications of that question. They claim we are afraid of hell but in fact it is they who are afraid of oblivion. Of nonexistence. Understandably so. The idea of ceasing to exist is unpleasant to say the least. That is why being an atheist is far from the easy way out.
As an atheist you look that unpleasant reality in the face, swallow your fear and accept it and live your life to its fullest. Being a Christian is a way of ignoring the fact that the world is an unpleasant and often unjust place where some people live their whole lives in despair before their flame of consciousness goes out forever. This world can be cruel and unfair but as atheists we accept that it's the only one we are ever going to get and that motivates us to fight our hardest to make it a better and brighter one. For our sake and for the sake of our children. We don't turn away from reality and turn a wishful eye to an afterlife that isn't going to happen.
Atheism, like theism is just a collection of beliefs and opinions. If gods don't exist (or something we'd call a god) then you could never prove that without knowledge spanning the whole of the universe. If gods (or something we'd call a god) do exist, but we can't prove it, then maybe instead of being an either/or proposition it's simply what god(s) is/are is other than as conventionally thought of.
I don't believe in the classical religious ideas of gods, where a god is a being similar to us. Alive, discrete, sentient, etc. But the universe exists. And despite a decidely hostile to life nature in the universe, life exists nonetheless. Maybe instead of inventing ideas of god where the god is like us, we need to widen our frame of reference and consider the possibility than the whole of the universe is "God." Or better still, the whole universe is merely a single organism. And our limited perspective is akin to a single blood cell, if it could think, not being aware it was merely part of a single animal.
You seriously have never cracked open a history text book before have you? Throughout European history, the Catholic church literally dominated nearly every aspect of people's lives. Theocracy is nothing short of evil. Just look at what is going on in the Middle East right now. That is a prime example of what theocracy looks like. The Salem Witch Trials are another prime example of what happens in a society dominated by the Christian law. And where on Earth are you getting the information that most atheists live in China? Did you just pick your least favorite country (probably because it was communist) and then figure it must be so bad because it's filled with atheists? Your views are warped beyond anything I've seen before. And like I said, It is Christians that literally force their children to be sent to schools in the middle of the night to be reeducated if they're gay or don't believe.
Government is evil, no matter what the justification for it is, just crack any history to verify it for yourself. The fact that you are so stupid that you only think government backed by the church is evil shows how foolish you actually are.
[me: Oh, sure. Science sits on their self-acclaimed throne, but when so often confronted with the possibility their confounding findings point to a supreme being or intelligence --- all too often they back off and say "that is not our area of study."
Then what good are they? They are a notch or two above other sources trying to entertain us for a time.
Jonathan Swift (17th century English satirist) speaking of the achievements of science and its reflection upon its own laurels. ---- "And he, whose fortunes and dispositions have placed him in a convenient station to enjoy the fruits of this noble art; he that can with Epicurus content his ideas with the films and images that fly-off upon his senses from the superficies of things; such a man truly wise, creams off nature, leaving the sour and the dregs for philosophy and reason to lap up. This is the sublime and refined point of felicity, called, the possession of being well deceived; the serene peaceful state of being a fool among knaves."}
You quoted so much to come back with so little. Science does much more than simply entertain us. It has taken us leaps and bounds beyond what we were only a hundred years ago. Imagine where it will take us in the next thousand.
The quote sufficed. Did you miss or ignore the point on purpose?
If science is want to render an opinion on the evidence for an intelligent designer, then they deal only with mammon. It causes devotees more harm than good if they use it to ignore the Creator.
So doubling our lifespan, finding cures to countless diseases, giving us ways to vastly increase food production and dauntlessly working towards abundant clean energy does more harm than good to society does it?
Do not equate science with atheism, dolt.
Do not misquote me as saying things I never said, dolt.
It is clearly what you implied, jack ass.
Government is needed in order for complex society like ours to exist.
Government is needed in order for complex society like ours to exist.
Prove it.
A fundie crank and a conspiracy theorist.You seriously have never cracked open a history text book before have you? Throughout European history, the Catholic church literally dominated nearly every aspect of people's lives. Theocracy is nothing short of evil. Just look at what is going on in the Middle East right now. That is a prime example of what theocracy looks like. The Salem Witch Trials are another prime example of what happens in a society dominated by the Christian law. And where on Earth are you getting the information that most atheists live in China? Did you just pick your least favorite country (probably because it was communist) and then figure it must be so bad because it's filled with atheists? Your views are warped beyond anything I've seen before. And like I said, It is Christians that literally force their children to be sent to schools in the middle of the night to be reeducated if they're gay or don't believe.
Government is evil, no matter what the justification for it is, just crack any history to verify it for yourself. The fact that you are so stupid that you only think government backed by the church is evil shows how foolish you actually are.
