Facebook Bans Populist Consverative Groups Just Before European Elections

[JimBowie1958]

Facebook has now banned pro-life ads just before an abortion referendum in Ireland also.

Facebook Censors Pro-Life Ad Campaign in Ireland

 

[dblack]

I generally don't like to oversimplify issues - but this one seems ripe for it. Is there any way to deny what's going on here? The fascists want to control Facebook because Facebook isn't toeing the party line. Fuck the fascists.

Wrong. We want to reign Facebook in from being the de-facto thought police. You don't get to reap the benefits of being a platform while acting like a publisher.

So, "you didn't build that"?

It's hilarious. These threads read like a standard list of liberal excuses for big government interference. Hypocrites.

 

[Zorro!]

Is USMB a service being utilized by ~67% of the American public?

Oh yeah. The 67% clause of the First Amendment. A well known exemption. Not.

Try to wrap your peabrain around this: Given the fact that 220+ million Americans use Facebook, many for communication and business, it has arguably risen to the level of a public utility.

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

 

[dblack]

Oh yeah. The 67% clause of the First Amendment. A well known exemption. Not.

Try to wrap your peabrain around this: Given the fact that 220+ million Americans use Facebook, many for communication and business, it has arguably risen to the level of a public utility.

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The these nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

Flippin and floppin. Whatever gives your side the upper hand, eh? Principles are for silly people.

 

[Zorro!]

Try to wrap your peabrain around this: Given the fact that 220+ million Americans use Facebook, many for communication and business, it has arguably risen to the level of a public utility.

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The these nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

Flippin and floppin. Whatever gives your side the upper hand, eh? Principles are for silly people.

Try to wrap your peabrain around this: Given the fact that 220+ million Americans use Facebook, many for communication and business, it has arguably risen to the level of a public utility.

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The these nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

Flippin and floppin. Whatever gives your side the upper hand, eh? Principles are for silly people.

Don't want none? Don't start none. Whipping the asses of those that attack our rights are sound and enduring Conservative principles.

The Big Tech jerks from Silicon Valley are crusading SJWs with a few billion bucks lying around, and they have decided that their target for domination is us. They created the new public square that is the internet in general and social media in particular and now they have realized that when everyone gets a say, some people are going to say things their Bay Area pals dislike.

As a result, the Instafacetwittertubes have taken to policing the electronic soapboxes against anyone who might cause tension at a Santa Monica Chardonnay tasting. The Bingyahoogles are busy tipping the search engine scales toward their preferred politicians and perspectives, all leftist with an SJW twist. And companies like Salesforce are deciding what legal products, like guns, you can and can’t sell (and therefore, buy) based on what political ideas are in fashion in Menlo Park.

I don’t remember voting for any of these people to run our country. Do you?

 

[HappyJoy]

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The these nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

Flippin and floppin. Whatever gives your side the upper hand, eh? Principles are for silly people.

Conservatives want to regulate facebook like a utility? You guys are funny.

Can you give me one good reason why it shouldn't be?

You, a conservative want to regulate a piece of the internet? I bet you're pissed about that net neutrality thing, huh?

As far as facebook goes, paid political ads from foreign entities should be banned. Facebook following through with banning people who break their terms of service, I don't have a problem with.

Conservatives support reasonable regulation, this is known.

We certainly don't support making conservatives less free. Conservatism is freedom, in contrast to the perpetual soul-killing tyranny offered by leftist ideology. The idea that conservative principles require us to defer to the growing oppression of the left because it is delivered through the medium of allegedly private corporations is nonsense.

Don’t want none? Don’t start none. That’s a very sound conservative principles. The these nasty tech corporations started it, and now it’s our right – our duty – to finish it.

Some goateed 20-something helming a unicorn start-up who thinks I have way too many rights and way too much privilege because my ancestors came from Stuttgart and I wield a penis? Whether the aspiring dictator who seeks to force me to obey is a government employee or a corporate CEO, I will not accept either.

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

Flippin and floppin. Whatever gives your side the upper hand, eh? Principles are for silly people.

Don't want none? Don't start none. Whipping the asses of those that attack our rights are sound and enduring Conservative principles.

The Big Tech jerks from Silicon Valley are crusading SJWs with a few billion bucks lying around, and they have decided that their target for domination is us. They created the new public square that is the internet in general and social media in particular and now they have realized that when everyone gets a say, some people are going to say things their Bay Area pals dislike.

As a result, the Instafacetwittertubes have taken to policing the electronic soapboxes against anyone who might cause tension at a Santa Monica Chardonnay tasting. The Bingyahoogles are busy tipping the search engine scales toward their preferred politicians and perspectives, all leftist with an SJW twist. And companies like Salesforce are deciding what legal products, like guns, you can and can’t sell (and therefore, buy) based on what political ideas are in fashion in Menlo Park.

I don’t remember voting for any of these people to run our country. Do you?

It sucks, your right to say the n-word on someone else's platform isn't protected.

 

[dblack]

Don't want none? Don't start none. Whipping the asses of those that attack our rights are sound and enduring Conservative principles.

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

I don’t remember voting for any of these people to run our country. Do you?

That's right. That's they way it works. You only get to vote for the people who run the government. And, as surprising as it may sound to statists like yourself, the government doesn't 'run' the country.

 

[Zorro!]

Don't want none? Don't start none. Whipping the asses of those that attack our rights are sound and enduring Conservative principles.

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

I don’t remember voting for any of these people to run our country. Do you?

That's right. That's they way it works. You only get to vote for the people who run the government. And, as surprising as it may sound to statists like yourself, the government doesn't 'run' the country.

Oh, I have very solid understanding of rights.

You are claiming that even as they use their power to undermine our ability to participate in the governance of our own society, that according to you, our principles foreclose our ability to use our own power (in this case, GOP control of the executive branch and the Senate) to defend ourselves. The reason? Oh, well these are private companies, you see, and they can do what they please to limit your ability to be a fully participating American citizen. You can’t fight back using your most powerful weapon, your political power, because reasons and because.

What tripe

You try to hit me with a bottle and I’m hitting you with a bat. The aggressor does not get to cite ideology to demand that I limit my own ability to effectively defend myself and defeat him. What would ever possess me to agree to that? Do you listen to yourself?

The idea that the conservative gospel commands that private entities are somehow untouchable is ridiculous. Let’s dispense with this silly idea that it is utterly unconservative to regulate the actions of a private business via a simple question:

Are you cool with companies refusing to let black people sit at a lunch counter? With denying them a Twitter account because they are Jewish? With telling women “Sorry sweetie, this software is for men only?”

Of course not, THINK!

 

[satrebil]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

 

[Zorro!]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

We accept that discrimination can be curbed.

We correctly bar racial discrimination because it is unJudeo-Christian and unAmerican to create a caste of second-class citizens by denying some people the ability to equally participate in society. The political discrimination we see today bars citizens from full participation in society and in their own governance. A citizen who cannot express his ideas is crippled; a citizen who loses a bank account or can’t buy a gun to protect his family because some software maker doesn’t like the idea of peasants having pitchforks is no longer a citizen but a serf. Why should conservatives allow themselves to be morphed into second class citizens?

 

[dblack]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

 

[Zorro!]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

Damn right and we won't stand for this trampling of our right to freely participate in civic life.

We are conservatives, not anarchists. There are things the state should do – like protect the citizenry. It should protect their lives from invaders, their property from criminals and, yes, their right to be full citizens from nefarious tech titans who want everyone between I-5 and I-95 to only nod and obey.

This is not a call for willy-nilly, poorly thought-through regulation. Anyone who took Poli Sci 101 understands “regulatory capture,” the process by which larger corporations invite regulation knowing they can control the regulators and leverage it to secure their position and bar competition. The idea is not to impose a detailed regulatory regime requiring a legion of easily corrupted micromanaging bureaucrats. Rather, it is to establish simple principles that can be enforced by the wronged parties themselves – much like the racial and sexual anti-discrimination framework we have today.

The answer is not always state action, but sometimes it is state action.

Enact a few simple laws requiring social media outlets to allow all matter allowed under the First Amendment. Keep the Section 230 protections – the idea that truly neutral forums should not be liable for the actions of individuals using the forum is sound, just now we would require the tech companies to honor the “neutral” part. Also, require all business to not bar their use by legal industries or on the basis of political views. That way, for example, we don’t have gun control that cannot be voted into effect via the people’s representatives being imposed by woke corporations. Nor would people who like Trump have to worry about having their Wells-Fargo bank account closed or not being able to get a Verizon phone.

We don’t need a big new bureaucratic apparatus to enforce these rules. We have lawyers. Discrimination law is mostly enforced by lawyers suing on behalf of people who claim they were wronged. Assign hefty statutory damages amounts to various kinds of discrimination, allow the recovery of punitive damages where appropriate, provide for injunctions against further misconduct (or to restore banned people) and award attorneys fees to successful claimants – this is how we enforce our rights without a huge new federal agency. Let’s let hired gun attorneys clean up Dodge City (after a few plaintiffs’ lawyers get awarded $600+ per hour, even Mark Zuckerberg will take notice).

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

 

[dblack]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

Damn right

It's just been kind of stunning to me how quickly Republicans have abandoned their conservative principles in favor of big brother government. I never really trusted their appeals to limited government, or their supposed concern for individual rights. They only ever really seemed to care about those things when they weren't in power. But they're not even pretending anymore. It's all about power, the power force your values on others.

 

[Zorro!]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

Damn right

It's just been kind of stunning to me how quickly Republicans have abandoned their conservative principles in favor of big brother government. I never really trusted their appeals to limited government, or their supposed concern for individual rights. They only ever really seemed to care about those things when they weren't in power. But they're not even pretending anymore. It's all about power, the power force your values on others.

Horseshit.

There is no actual conservative principle that requires us to shrug and accept being ostracized from the basic structure of modern American society for the sin of defying the conventional wisdom of a bunch of Scat Francisco swells. They started this. An essential component of the unwritten deal with big business, part of the reason they could claim to be political non-combatants, was that – at least toward the masses – that’s generally what they were. Your Uniteds and Bayers might work behind the scenes for or against legislation that affected their rice bowl, but they did not mess with our rights. Yet today, you have airlines shunning the NRA and drugmakers boycotting liberal shows all the way up to YouTube denying services to conservatives for expressing conservative views. These are attacks on us, as citizens, and this is both new and unacceptable. They can’t be culture warriors when it suits them and claim to be hors de combat when we prepare to punch back.

No massive new government entity is needed.

They chose to play horsey. This is horsey. Unleash the lawyers to regulate them into submission.

There is an alternative to fighting back, and it’s not a happy alternative. It is us being silenced and intimidated by a liberal elite leveraging its corporate allies to force us into submission and obedience. I write about what happens when the left wins in my action-packed yet super-snarky novels about the United States’ split into red and blue countries, People's Republic, Indian Country and Wildfire.

Our key conservative principle is “Do whatever it takes to defeat those leftist SOBs who want to take our freedom and money.”

Conservative Principles Do Not Require Us To Roll Over For Big Tech

 

[dblack]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

Damn right

It's just been kind of stunning to me how quickly Republicans have abandoned their conservative principles in favor of big brother government. I never really trusted their appeals to limited government, or their supposed concern for individual rights. They only ever really seemed to care about those things when they weren't in power. But they're not even pretending anymore. It's all about power, the power force your values on others.

Horseshit.

Well, we agree on that much. Although, I'd add 'Hypocritical' to Horseshit.

Regardless I can't get behind the government bullying companies who don't toe the party line. That's not the kind of thing we do in a free society.

 

[satrebil]

Like most Trumpsters, you clearly don't comprehend the concept of rights. You have no "right" to force Facebook to bend to your will.

Wrong.

When a corporation reaches such a size that it directly impacts the daily lives of a substantial number of Americans, we DO have the right to "bend them to our will". Why do you think we have public utility and/or anti-trust laws? For shits and grins?

LOL - well, that's the standard liberal/socialist world view alright.

Damn right

It's just been kind of stunning to me how quickly Republicans have abandoned their conservative principles in favor of big brother government. I never really trusted their appeals to limited government, or their supposed concern for individual rights. They only ever really seemed to care about those things when they weren't in power. But they're not even pretending anymore. It's all about power, the power force your values on others.

I've abandoned nothing. I'm just participating in the current system. If you want my honest opinion, I think businesses should be able to deny service to anyone for ANY reason - including race, sexual orientation, etc. That is freedom. The market will decide if it's acceptable or not.

But if you're going to require that people be serviced on the basis of such criteria, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want to deny people service on the basis of their political views then I'm going to use your rule book against you. Fair is fair.

 

[dblack]

But if you're going to require that people be serviced on the basis of such criteria, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want to deny people service on the basis of their political views then I'm going to use your rule book against you. Fair is fair.

Yeah, well, I don't buy "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'. You folks have sold out. Might as well cop to it.