F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[Bleipriester]

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The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

 

[Daryl Hunt]

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The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

YEs, that's part of what the F-35 does. And Norway trades intel with the US at high margin. . And you left out that the F-35 directs Gen 4 fighters to intercept Russians that are doing something really stupid. Danged one more thing that a F-35 does better than the others.

 

[Bleipriester]

+++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++

The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

YEs, that's part of what the F-35 does. And Norway trades intel with the US at high margin. . And you left out that the F-35 directs Gen 4 fighters to intercept Russians that are doing something really stupid. Danged one more thing that a F-35 does better than the others.

That´s not the point. Here it comes:

"“Due to national considerations, there is a need for a filter where the user nations can exclude sensitive data from the data stream that is shared by the system with the manufacturer Lockheed Martin,” said Defense Ministry senior consultant Lars Gjemble, as cited by Norway’s ABC Nyheter."

 

[Daryl Hunt]

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The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

YEs, that's part of what the F-35 does. And Norway trades intel with the US at high margin. . And you left out that the F-35 directs Gen 4 fighters to intercept Russians that are doing something really stupid. Danged one more thing that a F-35 does better than the others.

That´s not the point. Here it comes:

"“Due to national considerations, there is a need for a filter where the user nations can exclude sensitive data from the data stream that is shared by the system with the manufacturer Lockheed Martin,” said Defense Ministry senior consultant Lars Gjemble, as cited by Norway’s ABC Nyheter."

Next you are going to sya that it doesn't have a drink holder or ashtray.

 

[RWNJ]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

 

[Bleipriester]

+++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++

The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

YEs, that's part of what the F-35 does. And Norway trades intel with the US at high margin. . And you left out that the F-35 directs Gen 4 fighters to intercept Russians that are doing something really stupid. Danged one more thing that a F-35 does better than the others.

That´s not the point. Here it comes:

"“Due to national considerations, there is a need for a filter where the user nations can exclude sensitive data from the data stream that is shared by the system with the manufacturer Lockheed Martin,” said Defense Ministry senior consultant Lars Gjemble, as cited by Norway’s ABC Nyheter."

Next you are going to sya that it doesn't have a drink holder or ashtray.

It doesn´t? Now that´s a critical flaw!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

+++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++ PROPAGANDA +++ FAKE NEWS +++ ANTI-AMERICAN AGITPROP +++

The F-35 spies on foreign customers.

It flies, and it snoops: Norway’s pricey F-35s caught sending ‘sensitive data’ to US

YEs, that's part of what the F-35 does. And Norway trades intel with the US at high margin. . And you left out that the F-35 directs Gen 4 fighters to intercept Russians that are doing something really stupid. Danged one more thing that a F-35 does better than the others.

That´s not the point. Here it comes:

"“Due to national considerations, there is a need for a filter where the user nations can exclude sensitive data from the data stream that is shared by the system with the manufacturer Lockheed Martin,” said Defense Ministry senior consultant Lars Gjemble, as cited by Norway’s ABC Nyheter."

Next you are going to sya that it doesn't have a drink holder or ashtray.

It doesn´t? Now that´s a critical flaw!

And I hear the inflight movie sucks.

 

[RWNJ]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability. They really don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. They need a decent electronics warfare package and targeting capability. Other than that, the most important thing is the skill of the pilot. Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's? They don't need stealth, since it really doesn't give a pilot the edge it used to. So we could make capable fighters for a lot less than an F-35.

 

[Bleipriester]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability. They really don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. They need a decent electronics warfare package and targeting capability. Other than that, the most important thing is the skill of the pilot. Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's? They don't need stealth, since it really doesn't give a pilot the edge it used to. So we could make capable fighters for a lot less than an F-35.

Hunt is a good representative of the USAF. A plane must be absolutely invisible and invincible. At all costs.

 

[DrainBamage]

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability.

Well no, they aren't.

Go look at stats on shoot-downs in air combat in the modern era, they happen at transonic speeds using BVR missiles. In other words, the fighter who gets first shot (because they got first look) is the advantage, there are very few examples of WW2 style furballs in the modern era.

Is the F-35 faster or more maneuverable than F-15s and F-15s? Nope. Yet what happened when they were fighting in Red Flag, F-35 had a 20-1 kill ratio. The 4th gen planes never saw the stealth fighters, and didn't know there were being targeted until the AMRAAM coming up their pipe went active seconds before impact. They got dominated.

 

[DrainBamage]

Hunt is a good representative of the USAF. A plane must be absolutely invisible and invincible. At all costs.

Hey what a treat, a comment on what is invincible from the moron who declared the MIG-29 is invincible, yeah that plane that has been consistently shot down by just about every peer adversary. Thanks Mr. Expert.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's?

No I don't. Mind linking to a source which describes the incident.

Thank you in advance.


>>>>

 

[Bleipriester]

Hunt is a good representative of the USAF. A plane must be absolutely invisible and invincible. At all costs.

Hey what a treat, a comment on what is invincible from the moron who declared the MIG-29 is invincible, yeah that plane that has been consistently shot down by just about every peer adversary. Thanks Mr. Expert.

SlainBrain, I never claimed that. Your repeated lies indicate that you are not aware of the fact that people can read here and see how you make a fool out of yourself.

There are three Mig 29 air victories in Iraq by the way, of which one was a "bird strike". Three Mig 29 were shot down. This is a 1:1 ratio despite the following facts:
- Iraqi airforce not trained as well as American
- Iraqi equipment not as advanced as American, no AWACS, no other advanced aircraft, ect
- Export Mig 29 not as good as Russian

Air engagements of the Gulf War - Wikipedia

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability. They really don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. They need a decent electronics warfare package and targeting capability. Other than that, the most important thing is the skill of the pilot. Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's? They don't need stealth, since it really doesn't give a pilot the edge it used to. So we could make capable fighters for a lot less than an F-35.

Yes, someone here made the claim that one F-4 took out 2 F-18s. It may not have happened. I would require a decent cite before I accept that.

Second, the F-18 is limited to 7 gees when hosting weapons. Originally, the F-4 had a 12G rating but no pilot could ever sustain that. But it could sustain 9 gees in the first few seconds of a turn. The problem is, in the waning days of the F-4 it was reduced to 6 gees. The F-4 started to be limited starting in the late 80s. It got tired after almost 30 years of hard living. But in a real world, the Avionics of the F-18 would smoke any F-4 even in the 90s.

Now, what fighter would you suggest. Obviously it's going to be a light fighter. A Heavy costs over 100 mil. The F-15 in it's most recent form costs more than 110 mil a copy. The F-16 fully equipped to US standards costs at least 80 mil. Even then, the F-35 and F-22 use them as cannon fodder.

We could look at the Russian Fighters. The Mig-35 is just an upgraded Mig-29 which has lost more battles than it's won in actual combat. The SU-35 is an upgraded SU-27 which is a decent fighter. I actually rate the SU-30 better than the SU-35 just because of the numbers in service. The added thrust vectoring is very impressive at an air show but in actual combat, if you slow down enough to use it then you are dead, dead, dead.The SU-35 uses manual controlled thrust vectoring. Us it wrong and things get very hairy very quickly. The only fighter with it where thrust vectoring actually works in combat is the automatic controlled F-22. As it stands now, the Russian Fighters are trying to catch up but they don't really have the capability. The problem is, the technology to compete or surpass the US costs money, lots of money. And decades. So I think we need to look at, maybe, the French.

The Rafale may be the bird you are talking about. But at 93 (USD) a copy, it's out of reach for most smaller air forces.

The F-18, once you deck it out, reaches close to 90 mil. But it's a carrier bird. Alabi, the best of them but carrier birds are heavy and really can't go up against first class land fighters.

The F-16 is also pushing 90 mil when decked out.

What drives up costs isn't the bird itself, it's the avionics. Even then, that avionics is a generation behind the F-35. Probably the best 4 gen fighter right now is the F15E and versions. It has the good stuff, does what you want but is more than 110 mil a copy. Right now, the F-35 avionics is even a half gen better than the F-22. Yes, Stealth will become less affective one day. But for the next 10 or more years, it's still king and that leaves the F-35 at 85 to 95 mil a copy the best buy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability. They really don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. They need a decent electronics warfare package and targeting capability. Other than that, the most important thing is the skill of the pilot. Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's? They don't need stealth, since it really doesn't give a pilot the edge it used to. So we could make capable fighters for a lot less than an F-35.

Hunt is a good representative of the USAF. A plane must be absolutely invisible and invincible. At all costs.

Yes, cost. Except the costs on other 4++ fighters have exceed the cost of the F-35A. This is why the F-35A is the most sought after western fighter. Next would come the F-15E but the cost keeps it out of smaller Air Forces.

 

[Muhammed]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

The US should have skipped the F-35 and F-22 to put more research into the next class of fighter/bombers.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

The US should have skipped the F-35 and F-22 to put more research into the next class of fighter/bombers.

Baby steps. The B-2 first flew almost 30 years ago. Nothing can match it for at least the next decade. The F-22 first flew 20 years ago and nothing can match it for at least another decade. The F-35 first flew 11 years ago. We asked the F-35 to do things that should have been impossible yet it is doing them today. But it was a long hard battle to get it there.

The US is working on the next gen (6) fighter right now. Funny, there is a good chance it will look similar to the XF-23. The B-21 will really be still a 5th gen but the 6th gen is on the drawing boards. You have to ring out the problems of each gen aircraft. You can't just skip ahead. Russia can't build a real 5th gen so they make the claim they are working on a 6th gen. Sort of like, I am now working on my second Million, I gave up on my first million.

 

[Bleipriester]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

We should have went with a higher number of cheaper, less capable fighters. After all, quantity is it's own quality.

LEt's discuss this. What cheaper, less capable fighter? Considering a full tilt F-16 costs nearly as much as the next batch of F-35s then what fighter should we have chosen? Certainly not the F-18 since it has less capability for performance than even the F-16 although the F18 does have quite a few of the really neat toys.

The most important things for a fighter jet are speed and maneuverability. They really don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. They need a decent electronics warfare package and targeting capability. Other than that, the most important thing is the skill of the pilot. Remember how that F-4 took out two F-18's? They don't need stealth, since it really doesn't give a pilot the edge it used to. So we could make capable fighters for a lot less than an F-35.

Hunt is a good representative of the USAF. A plane must be absolutely invisible and invincible. At all costs.

Yes, cost. Except the costs on other 4++ fighters have exceed the cost of the F-35A. This is why the F-35A is the most sought after western fighter. Next would come the F-15E but the cost keeps it out of smaller Air Forces.

It is largely overrated. Because it is American it must be good. But it isn´t. Cheaper planes can do better.

 

[Bleipriester]

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run? | The Great Debate

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

Is there a serious problem, or just the press hunting for a story?

The US should have skipped the F-35 and F-22 to put more research into the next class of fighter/bombers.

Baby steps. The B-2 first flew almost 30 years ago. Nothing can match it for at least the next decade. The F-22 first flew 20 years ago and nothing can match it for at least another decade. The F-35 first flew 11 years ago. We asked the F-35 to do things that should have been impossible yet it is doing them today. But it was a long hard battle to get it there.

The US is working on the next gen (6) fighter right now. Funny, there is a good chance it will look similar to the XF-23. The B-21 will really be still a 5th gen but the 6th gen is on the drawing boards. You have to ring out the problems of each gen aircraft. You can't just skip ahead. Russia can't build a real 5th gen so they make the claim they are working on a 6th gen. Sort of like, I am now working on my second Million, I gave up on my first million.

You are being delusional again. Ancient missiles can down stealth planes. At least one F-117 was downed by a Soviet made 1961 S-125.

1999 F-117A shootdown - Wikipedia