F14 Tomcat....

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    They both have advantages and disadvantages, air combat isn't a video game like you think it is where you look up some specs on top speed or climb rate and pronounce one aircraft as far superior.

    F-18 has lower RCS, and better low speed handling especially AoA than F-16. Which aircraft defeats the other head-to-head depends on a lot of variables including pilot ability, situational awareness going into the fight, and even a bit of luck.
     
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    The F-15Es that have upgraded AESA radars can go toe-to-toe with any F-15 in the world.

    I understand you're stubbornly sticking to your bizarrely emotional arguments against F-35 but bottom line it has continued to dominate other aircraft in Red Flag exercises by massive margins, only an utter fool such as yourself would discount it and declare the service receiving massive numbers of F-35s as atrophy.
     
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    Actually they kind of do, at least when trying to use it to make the argument you're making. Fighter top speed and altitude peaked in the 1970s for a reason, and the overwhelming majority of kills in modern air combat are at transonic speeds and medium altitude.

    You live in this naive comic book world where all combat aircraft go zipping around at their stated full afterburner top speed and max altitude regardless of combat load and fuel considerations, but that isn't how it works. There are tradeoffs made because situational awareness and LO make or break air combat in the modern era.

    There is an interview with an F-22 pilot on youtube where he says despite the stealth and gaudy performance capabilities of the aircraft any F-22 pilot will tell you that SA is the best feature and what makes it the dominant fighter it is. Meanwhile you're in here pointing at spec sheets.
     
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    One of the other posters posted this video. If you look closely at the F-18, his racks are for missiles or bombs. He has a whole host of drop tank rails. What you are seeing is a F-18 set up for Tanker Duty during an Exercise. In real life, he would have wall to wall drop tanks and would be meeting that tanker outside of the contested area. He would reenter the fringe of the contested area, refuel F-18s until his gas was all but gone, exit the area, meet up with a tanker,repeat as necessary. If you used a full sized tanker for that mission, the Tanker would last but a matter of minutes.

     
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    yeah that's called waste of a fighter cause short legs. Something Navy acknowledges is a prob against China
     
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    stay on topic idiot, hint its not f-35
     
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    Pilots being equal f-18 loses more than it wins.
     
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    I have to say the basic lack of understanding by everyone in this thread is the difference in a fighter and an interceptor. None of you seem to grasp those very different roles.
     
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    That short range is compensated by having enough F-18 tankers refueling the other F-18s. You still don't get it. No other Carrier Fighter can do that and still protect itself. If you watched the clip you would see it still carried 2 defensive missiles. But it had a ton of hard points for drop tanks for refueling.

    The combat range of the F-16 is 500 miles once it drops it's two drop tanks with it's 6 missiles. That's about the same range as a F-18 once he drops his tanks as well. If either of them keeps the center line drop tanks, and goes to 2 sidewinders, the range just went to over 1200 miles for either one. That's about what the SU-33 gets with the same loadout. The Rafale does a bit better but not much. There isn't much difference between the Rafale and the F-18 on overall performance and the SU-33 falls well short. And so does the Mig-29K.

    Meaning, as carrier fighters go, the F-18 ties for the best fighter in the world and all others are also rans. Only the Rafale can be favorably compared to it.
     
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    F-14 could do both. Supercat even better.
     

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