F14 Tomcat....

[Manonthestreet]

We threw this away for the far less capable F-18.

 

[gipper]

The military industrial complex loves waste. How else would they get fabulously rich?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We threw this away for the far less capable F-18.

The one place you don't want to take on ANY F-14 is over the water. His radar is better over the water than the US Radar. Even though the Radar is older, it uses a narrower cone which allows him to reach out further. And then add the Phoenix system and he has about a 5 to a 10 mile launch kill over the Amram. Just because you can see the F-14 doesn't mean you can get a kill anymore than he can get a kill against you.

The way to defeat a F-14 is to tag team. Take something like an F-15 and play long range radar. Meanwhile, you have another one flanking inside of the radar cone to get close. But remember, the first turn when the F-14 sweeps those wings forward, there is absolutely nothing that can hang with him in that first turn until you can get him to burn off that energy.

On the same note, the Iranians are going to have their hot pilots sitting in the F-14s so don't look for any great pilot advantage. While the US may have a better average pilot, there is nothing average about the Iranian F-14 pilots. The F-18 is going to have to make zero mistakes at this point. But by shere numbers, the US should be able to do a lot of battle plans to defeat the Iranians. But it's not going to be walk in the park.

 

[Sunni Man]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

What killed the F-14 was the cost of operation. The cost of replacement of the F-14A with the new F-14D was something like 135mil a copy against the F-18 (at the time) for 25mil a copy. And then there was space on the carrier. Granted the F-14 is superior to the F-18 but you can't have nearly as many and then you would need to keep some of the older Attack Birds on hand. The F-18 replaced them all. Okay, it wasn't as good as some of them on some of the missions but it could do an adequate job for the money.

The F-14's day passed. It goes down as the first 4th gen fighter ever mass produced.

 

[harmonica]

eventually the F14 would've needed replacing
..the sweep wings made it more ''complicated'' for maintenance/etc
...with today's bombing technology, you don't need as much ordnance

In close air combat, the Super Hornet is much maneuverable (with a good authority at slow speed and high AOA – angle of attack) and, even if it lacks the AIM-54 Phoenix for the long distances in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, it has got the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder for the dogfights which the F-14 didn’t integrate.

. Furthermore, while the F-14 was an older aircraft in which some newer technologies were integrated, the F/A-18 Super Hornet is a more modern airplane with newer equipment, easier to maintain: a great advantage in times of budget constraints.

BVR was not used much, if at all, in PG1 because of restrictions
F-14 vs F-18: which one would you fly in combat?

 

[Manonthestreet]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

What killed the F-14 was the cost of operation. The cost of replacement of the F-14A with the new F-14D was something like 135mil a copy against the F-18 (at the time) for 25mil a copy. And then there was space on the carrier. Granted the F-14 is superior to the F-18 but you can't have nearly as many and then you would need to keep some of the older Attack Birds on hand. The F-18 replaced them all. Okay, it wasn't as good as some of them on some of the missions but it could do an adequate job for the money.

The F-14's day passed. It goes down as the first 4th gen fighter ever mass produced.

You never carry full complement of Hornets anyway and your carriers dont have the reach THEY SHOULD BECAUSE of short legged Hornet, Your AI vid is worthless.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Anybody watch the vid?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

What killed the F-14 was the cost of operation. The cost of replacement of the F-14A with the new F-14D was something like 135mil a copy against the F-18 (at the time) for 25mil a copy. And then there was space on the carrier. Granted the F-14 is superior to the F-18 but you can't have nearly as many and then you would need to keep some of the older Attack Birds on hand. The F-18 replaced them all. Okay, it wasn't as good as some of them on some of the missions but it could do an adequate job for the money.

The F-14's day passed. It goes down as the first 4th gen fighter ever mass produced.

You never carry full complement of Hornets anyway and your carriers dont have the reach THEY SHOULD BECAUSE of short legged Hornet, Your AI vid is worthless.

You didn't watch the vids, did you.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Anybody watch the vid?

How can you enter into this conversation without watch all the vids? I watched yours. But you refuse to watch mine. So you don't have an opinion of worth.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

eventually the F14 would've needed replacing
..the sweep wings made it more ''complicated'' for maintenance/etc
...with today's bombing technology, you don't need as much ordnance

In close air combat, the Super Hornet is much maneuverable (with a good authority at slow speed and high AOA – angle of attack) and, even if it lacks the AIM-54 Phoenix for the long distances in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, it has got the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder for the dogfights which the F-14 didn’t integrate.

. Furthermore, while the F-14 was an older aircraft in which some newer technologies were integrated, the F/A-18 Super Hornet is a more modern airplane with newer equipment, easier to maintain: a great advantage in times of budget constraints.

BVR was not used much, if at all, in PG1 because of restrictions
F-14 vs F-18: which one would you fly in combat?

The F-14 had the huge advantage when you are at BVR but closer than that, the nod goes to the nimble F-18C. But it all depends on which pilot drives the fight. If the F-18 suckers the F-14 into a turning fight, the F-18 will win most of the time. But the F-14, with a smart pilot will keep the fight in the virtical where his massive engines and power to weight will win. In war games, that's the way the F-15s force the F-18s to fight if they are smart. Or the AF just sends in the F-16 and the tables are turned or at least equal in a turn and burn fight.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

What killed the F-14 was the cost of operation. The cost of replacement of the F-14A with the new F-14D was something like 135mil a copy against the F-18 (at the time) for 25mil a copy. And then there was space on the carrier. Granted the F-14 is superior to the F-18 but you can't have nearly as many and then you would need to keep some of the older Attack Birds on hand. The F-18 replaced them all. Okay, it wasn't as good as some of them on some of the missions but it could do an adequate job for the money.

The F-14's day passed. It goes down as the first 4th gen fighter ever mass produced.

You never carry full complement of Hornets anyway and your carriers dont have the reach THEY SHOULD BECAUSE of short legged Hornet, Your AI vid is worthless.

You didn't watch the vids, did you.

I watched AI one...totally worthless

 

[Manonthestreet]

eventually the F14 would've needed replacing
..the sweep wings made it more ''complicated'' for maintenance/etc
...with today's bombing technology, you don't need as much ordnance

In close air combat, the Super Hornet is much maneuverable (with a good authority at slow speed and high AOA – angle of attack) and, even if it lacks the AIM-54 Phoenix for the long distances in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, it has got the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder for the dogfights which the F-14 didn’t integrate.

. Furthermore, while the F-14 was an older aircraft in which some newer technologies were integrated, the F/A-18 Super Hornet is a more modern airplane with newer equipment, easier to maintain: a great advantage in times of budget constraints.

BVR was not used much, if at all, in PG1 because of restrictions
F-14 vs F-18: which one would you fly in combat?

The F-14 had the huge advantage when you are at BVR but closer than that, the nod goes to the nimble F-18C. But it all depends on which pilot drives the fight. If the F-18 suckers the F-14 into a turning fight, the F-18 will win most of the time. But the F-14, with a smart pilot will keep the fight in the virtical where his massive engines and power to weight will win. In war games, that's the way the F-15s force the F-18s to fight if they are smart. Or the AF just sends in the F-16 and the tables are turned or at least equal in a turn and burn fight.

Equal...omg.....F-16 would be all over an 18. Thank god we never had to use it in a real war.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I knew a Navy guy that was stationed on a aircraft carrier when F-14 Tomcat's were replaced with the F-18 Hornet.

Everyone on the ship hated having their beloved Tomcats replaced. ..

What killed the F-14 was the cost of operation. The cost of replacement of the F-14A with the new F-14D was something like 135mil a copy against the F-18 (at the time) for 25mil a copy. And then there was space on the carrier. Granted the F-14 is superior to the F-18 but you can't have nearly as many and then you would need to keep some of the older Attack Birds on hand. The F-18 replaced them all. Okay, it wasn't as good as some of them on some of the missions but it could do an adequate job for the money.

The F-14's day passed. It goes down as the first 4th gen fighter ever mass produced.

You never carry full complement of Hornets anyway and your carriers dont have the reach THEY SHOULD BECAUSE of short legged Hornet, Your AI vid is worthless.

You didn't watch the vids, did you.

I watched AI one...totally worthless

I found them informative. If you watched the last one, it wasn't against an AI. It was real time in a Persian Gulf Server with live people flying those aircraft. Notice, I am not commenting on the winner and losers. You have to watch it to make your own determination. Again, you don't have a dog in this fight.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

eventually the F14 would've needed replacing
..the sweep wings made it more ''complicated'' for maintenance/etc
...with today's bombing technology, you don't need as much ordnance

In close air combat, the Super Hornet is much maneuverable (with a good authority at slow speed and high AOA – angle of attack) and, even if it lacks the AIM-54 Phoenix for the long distances in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, it has got the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder for the dogfights which the F-14 didn’t integrate.

. Furthermore, while the F-14 was an older aircraft in which some newer technologies were integrated, the F/A-18 Super Hornet is a more modern airplane with newer equipment, easier to maintain: a great advantage in times of budget constraints.

BVR was not used much, if at all, in PG1 because of restrictions
F-14 vs F-18: which one would you fly in combat?

The F-14 had the huge advantage when you are at BVR but closer than that, the nod goes to the nimble F-18C. But it all depends on which pilot drives the fight. If the F-18 suckers the F-14 into a turning fight, the F-18 will win most of the time. But the F-14, with a smart pilot will keep the fight in the virtical where his massive engines and power to weight will win. In war games, that's the way the F-15s force the F-18s to fight if they are smart. Or the AF just sends in the F-16 and the tables are turned or at least equal in a turn and burn fight.

Equal...omg.....F-16 would be all over an 18. Thank god we never had to use it in a real war.

In order to get the F-16 into that area, it's going to take at least 2 drop tanks. He's going to have to keep his centerline drop tank to get home. All of a sudden, the advantage that the F-16 has close to home is gone. Plus, he's going to be carrying a full load of missiles. His 1.24 to 1 thrust to weight ration just dropped to below .8 just about where the F-18 in battle trim is. The F-18 is going to drop his tanks and get his thrust to weight ration up to about .96 to 1. The F-16 will do the same and keep his centerline tank. The difference is, the F-18 has fuel at his disposal for refueling while the F-16 has to worry about exiting the area with enough fuel to meet with his own takers. There are going to be F-18s in the area to refuel the F-18 after the fight.

This brings up another weakness with the F-14. it could not buddy refuel. The ability of the F-18 to buddy refuel is priceless over long stretches of water.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Now watch mine...your price for D isn't evn in the ballpark

Although the F-14D was to be the definitive version of the Tomcat, not all fleet units received the D variant. In 1989, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney refused to approve the purchase of any more F-14D model aircraft for $50 million Grumman F-14 Tomcat - Wikipedia

 

[Manonthestreet]

eventually the F14 would've needed replacing
..the sweep wings made it more ''complicated'' for maintenance/etc
...with today's bombing technology, you don't need as much ordnance

In close air combat, the Super Hornet is much maneuverable (with a good authority at slow speed and high AOA – angle of attack) and, even if it lacks the AIM-54 Phoenix for the long distances in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, it has got the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder for the dogfights which the F-14 didn’t integrate.

. Furthermore, while the F-14 was an older aircraft in which some newer technologies were integrated, the F/A-18 Super Hornet is a more modern airplane with newer equipment, easier to maintain: a great advantage in times of budget constraints.

BVR was not used much, if at all, in PG1 because of restrictions
F-14 vs F-18: which one would you fly in combat?

The F-14 had the huge advantage when you are at BVR but closer than that, the nod goes to the nimble F-18C. But it all depends on which pilot drives the fight. If the F-18 suckers the F-14 into a turning fight, the F-18 will win most of the time. But the F-14, with a smart pilot will keep the fight in the virtical where his massive engines and power to weight will win. In war games, that's the way the F-15s force the F-18s to fight if they are smart. Or the AF just sends in the F-16 and the tables are turned or at least equal in a turn and burn fight.

Equal...omg.....F-16 would be all over an 18. Thank god we never had to use it in a real war.

In order to get the F-16 into that area, it's going to take at least 2 drop tanks. He's going to have to keep his centerline drop tank to get home. All of a sudden, the advantage that the F-16 has close to home is gone. Plus, he's going to be carrying a full load of missiles. His 1.24 to 1 thrust to weight ration just dropped to below .8 just about where the F-18 in battle trim is. The F-18 is going to drop his tanks and get his thrust to weight ration up to about .96 to 1. The F-16 will do the same and keep his centerline tank. The difference is, the F-18 has fuel at his disposal for refueling while the F-16 has to worry about exiting the area with enough fuel to meet with his own takers. There are going to be F-18s in the area to refuel the F-18 after the fight.

This brings up another weakness with the F-14. it could not buddy refuel. The ability of the F-18 to buddy refuel is priceless over long stretches of water.

LLMMAOOOOO deperately dreaming of scenarios to prove his BS

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Now watch mine...your price for D isn't evn in the ballpark

Although the F-14D was to be the definitive version of the Tomcat, not all fleet units received the D variant. In 1989, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney refused to approve the purchase of any more F-14D model aircraft for $50 million Grumman F-14 Tomcat - Wikipedia

Mine comes from the time I served when that price was given out by the USAF in answer to why we flew the F-15 versus the F-14D. There is more to buying a fighter than just rolling off the assembly line. To give you an idea, in 1975, the F-15 cost about 100 mil real cost. Wiki doesn't give you the real story. Just like the real cost of a F-22 shows 135 mil a copy but it's closer to 243 mil a copy. The F-35A is around 80mil a copy right off the assembly line but real cost is probably closer to 110 mil.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Now watch mine...your price for D isn't evn in the ballpark

Although the F-14D was to be the definitive version of the Tomcat, not all fleet units received the D variant. In 1989, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney refused to approve the purchase of any more F-14D model aircraft for $50 million Grumman F-14 Tomcat - Wikipedia

Mine comes from the time I served when that price was given out by the USAF in answer to why we flew the F-15 versus the F-14D. There is more to buying a fighter than just rolling off the assembly line. To give you an idea, in 1975, the F-15 cost about 100 mil real cost. Wiki doesn't give you the real story. Just like the real cost of a F-22 shows 135 mil a copy but it's closer to 243 mil a copy. The F-35A is around 80mil a copy right off the assembly line but real cost is probably closer to 110 mil.

Just stop.....omg

 

[williepete]

We threw this away for the far less capable F-18.

Retired at the end of its worn out life. Not thrown away. Old technology.

F-18 is highly capable. Superb weapons.

Now if you want to start a thread about a modern rebuild of the F-14, you will be on to something--Pure fantasy but more interesting.

The USAF can park a tanker near an aircraft battle group pretty much anytime and anywhere it wants. Dispels the range argument.