EXPOSED: Komen VP Targeted Planned Parenthood

[Lonestar_logic]

do you say stupid things?

are you stupid?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

Or

you have zero evidence any federal money paid for any abortions. All you have is your own bias speculation. PP says zero federal dollars go towards abortions. So its your opinion vs their word.

good ole internet, where peoples opinions trump reality.

Fact. More abortions are performed by PP than any other agency.

Fact. PP receives more federal funding than any other agency.

PP has a lot to lose if they admit they use federal dollars to fund abortions. Fact is they do use federal dollars. Fact is their main function is performing abortions. This is well, known and well documented. But hey, keep your naive ass in the dark and pretend it's not true.

so more speculation i see...
3% doesn't equal main function skippy.

No the reality is that the only tax dollars you might see are from state level medicare/medicaid. Which varies from state to state.Zero comes from Federal monies.

but you keep on speculating skip....Im sure someone will come and agree with you. That way you feel even more right in your speculation.

They performed over 300,000 abortions in one year alone. What other services have they provided that equals that?

 

[Seawytch]

Does the federal government help fund PP?

Does PP perform abortions?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

do you say stupid things?

are you stupid?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

Or

you have zero evidence any federal money paid for any abortions. All you have is your own bias speculation. PP says zero federal dollars go towards abortions. So its your opinion vs their word.

good ole internet, where peoples opinions trump reality.

Fact. More abortions are performed by PP than any other agency.

Fact. PP receives more federal funding than any other agency.

PP has a lot to lose if they admit they use federal dollars to fund abortions. Fact is they do use federal dollars. Fact is their main function is performing abortions. This is well, known and well documented. But hey, keep your naive ass in the dark and pretend it's not true.

And you, naturally, have data to support your statements? I'm especially interested in documentation supporting your claim that PP gets more Federal Tax Dollars than any other agency.

 

[jillian]

It doesn't...

I understand the anger for reversing their decision, and initially I blamed them for caving...

But they really didn't change their policy... The money for PP was already allocated and wasn't being stopped - even initially... All future funding by SGK to any organization IS going to be scrutinized for practices that are in line with what the foundation believes... If they determine that PP is not the best use of their funds, then they won't get anything from them... PP is NOT guarenteed future funding and we'll have to see what the future brings...

The organization as a whole does lots of good things... I'm not going to throw them under the bus because of a media soundbite or two...

which organization? komen or planned parenthood?

your observation would be true of both.

SGK... I don't support the main function and purpose of PP...

Others are free to do so, but I don't...

the main function of planned parenthood is to provide women's health services. a small percentage has to do with reproductive choice.

or do you not think women should be able to get mammograms and pap smears and birth control?

you're certainly entitled to your opinion. but in light of the above, perhaps you should at least make an effort at reconsideration.

i always find it funny that 80% of anti-choice activists, and the most vocal anti-choice activists, are men.

and we can't have government fund an abortion, heaven forbid, even though its a protected constitutional right. but we can pay for viagra? and vascectomies?

you might want to consider the extraordinary level of misogyny in that.

 

[jillian]

do you say stupid things?

are you stupid?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

Or

you have zero evidence any federal money paid for any abortions. All you have is your own bias speculation. PP says zero federal dollars go towards abortions. So its your opinion vs their word.

good ole internet, where peoples opinions trump reality.

Fact. More abortions are performed by PP than any other agency.

Fact. PP receives more federal funding than any other agency.

PP has a lot to lose if they admit they use federal dollars to fund abortions. Fact is they do use federal dollars. Fact is their main function is performing abortions. This is well, known and well documented. But hey, keep your naive ass in the dark and pretend it's not true.

And you, naturally, have data to support your statements? I'm especially interested in documentation supporting your claim that PP gets more Federal Tax Dollars than any other agency.

he don't need no stinking facts.

 

[Seawytch]

Would you continue to work for an organization where there was an anti-gay bias?

I was career military...you tell me.

How about now?

I don't now, but more by accident than by conscious decision. When there are still dozens of states where I can be fired simply for being gay, there isn't a lot of choices out there.

 

[jillian]

Fact. More abortions are performed by PP than any other agency.

Fact. PP receives more federal funding than any other agency.

PP has a lot to lose if they admit they use federal dollars to fund abortions. Fact is they do use federal dollars. Fact is their main function is performing abortions. This is well, known and well documented. But hey, keep your naive ass in the dark and pretend it's not true.

so more speculation i see...
3% doesn't equal main function skippy.

No the reality is that the only tax dollars you might see are from state level medicare/medicaid. Which varies from state to state.Zero comes from Federal monies.

but you keep on speculating skip....Im sure someone will come and agree with you. That way you feel even more right in your speculation.

They performed over 300,000 abortions in one year alone. What other services have they provided that equals that?

the average number is 277,000...

which is 11% of their clientele.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

and why shouldn't they? or do constitutional rights only apply to guns?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yeah, so? Once they're born their a kid. Before that they aren't. They're a zygote or embryo or fetus.

Did you take any biology classes in school?

Yes and in biology, it states that life begins at conception.

A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:

1. Living things are highly organized.

2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.

3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.

4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.

5. All living things have an ability to adapt.


According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.

Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg). When humans procreate, they don’t make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.

Except, of course, two glaring problems.

2) Up until about the last trimester, an embryo cannot acquire materials and energy. Not on its own. If it is separated from the mother it will not survive. Ever. Period.
3) Zygotes do not respond to their environment. Not any more than skin cells do and we all agree skin cells do not have rights.

So by your definition, before the last trimester, it's not a human life. It's living human material, sure, but that's not the same now is it?

Beside this, you haven't addresses my two questions. Are you in favour of more people on welfare? And are you in favour of gay couples being able to adopt?

You assume every aborted child would become a welfare recipient.

Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined “moment of conception.” This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos.

Show me scientific data to the contrary.

Science has quite clearly and decidedly proven that human life begins at conception (i.e. fertilization. AKA the moment sperm and ovum meet and form an entirely new, self-directing living organism of the human species with its own individual DNA distinct from both mother and father.). The only ones who deny this are those blinded by their own religious dogma of so-called “choice” who have a stubborn need to deny scientific fact in order to stay faithful to their own ideology.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Does the federal government help fund PP?

Does PP perform abortions?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

Only in your black and white world... a world devoid of variables. A world where A+B always equals C.

Does PP use Federal funds in the performance of abortions? No... they don't. They diligently keep their abortion clinics separate from the other services they provide. What you want to do is(figuratively speaking) throw the baby out with the bath water. 97% of what Planned Parenthood does has NOTHING to do with abortions and actually saves lives everyday. All you want to focus on is the 3% of what they do that you don't agree with.

yeah, but he hates women and doesn't think we should have health care or protect our constitutional rights.

what a pissant.

Where does it state in the Constitution you have the right to terminate a pregnancy?

 

[bodecea]

Only in your black and white world... a world devoid of variables. A world where A+B always equals C.

Does PP use Federal funds in the performance of abortions? No... they don't. They diligently keep their abortion clinics separate from the other services they provide. What you want to do is(figuratively speaking) throw the baby out with the bath water. 97% of what Planned Parenthood does has NOTHING to do with abortions and actually saves lives everyday. All you want to focus on is the 3% of what they do that you don't agree with.

yeah, but he hates women and doesn't think we should have health care or protect our constitutional rights.

what a pissant.

Where does it state in the Constitution you have the right to terminate a pregnancy?

It's right next to where it tells you that you have the right to have children.

 

[bodecea]

So what? I don't get the connection. Why should an organization dedicated to curing breast cancer be required to contribute to an organization dedicated to killing the unborn?

Because that is NOT what PP is dedicated to. But when all you do is read or listen to far right wing drivel, you are bound to be as misinformed as whitehall is.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

do you say stupid things?

are you stupid?

If the answers to both of these are "yes", then I am right and you are wrong.

Or

you have zero evidence any federal money paid for any abortions. All you have is your own bias speculation. PP says zero federal dollars go towards abortions. So its your opinion vs their word.

good ole internet, where peoples opinions trump reality.

Fact. More abortions are performed by PP than any other agency.

Fact. PP receives more federal funding than any other agency.

PP has a lot to lose if they admit they use federal dollars to fund abortions. Fact is they do use federal dollars. Fact is their main function is performing abortions. This is well, known and well documented. But hey, keep your naive ass in the dark and pretend it's not true.

And you, naturally, have data to support your statements? I'm especially interested in documentation supporting your claim that PP gets more Federal Tax Dollars than any other agency.

Last year (2010), Planned Parenthood received more than $363 million in revenue from government grants; and performed an unprecedented 324,008 abortions.

Public Notes on 11-HR217

 

[Lonestar_logic]

so more speculation i see...
3% doesn't equal main function skippy.

No the reality is that the only tax dollars you might see are from state level medicare/medicaid. Which varies from state to state.Zero comes from Federal monies.

but you keep on speculating skip....Im sure someone will come and agree with you. That way you feel even more right in your speculation.

They performed over 300,000 abortions in one year alone. What other services have they provided that equals that?

the average number is 277,000...

which is 11% of their clientele.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

and why shouldn't they? or do constitutional rights only apply to guns?

Again show me where it states in the Constitution a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Kill all of your children you wish. Just dont use tax payer money.

Its that simple.

Since when was Susan G. Komen the government?

 

[DontBeStupid]

Yes and in biology, it states that life begins at conception.

A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:

1. Living things are highly organized.

2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.

3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.

4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.

5. All living things have an ability to adapt.


According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.

Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg). When humans procreate, they don’t make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.

Except, of course, two glaring problems.

2) Up until about the last trimester, an embryo cannot acquire materials and energy. Not on its own. If it is separated from the mother it will not survive. Ever. Period.
3) Zygotes do not respond to their environment. Not any more than skin cells do and we all agree skin cells do not have rights.

So by your definition, before the last trimester, it's not a human life. It's living human material, sure, but that's not the same now is it?

Beside this, you haven't addresses my two questions. Are you in favour of more people on welfare? And are you in favour of gay couples being able to adopt?

You assume every aborted child would become a welfare recipient.

Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined “moment of conception.” This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos.

Show me scientific data to the contrary.

Science has quite clearly and decidedly proven that human life begins at conception (i.e. fertilization. AKA the moment sperm and ovum meet and form an entirely new, self-directing living organism of the human species with its own individual DNA distinct from both mother and father.). The only ones who deny this are those blinded by their own religious dogma of so-called “choice” who have a stubborn need to deny scientific fact in order to stay faithful to their own ideology.

Really? That's your "scientific" evidence? A blog that quotes Dr. Robert George, who, by the way, is not a medical doctor! You'd have more clout quoting Dr. Ruth or even Dr. Phil!

The fact is, the Scientific Community has never come out clearly on this issue and we could sit here and post hours on end without coming to any kind of agreement. This topic is a matter of personal opinion and personal choice for everyone. But, of course, that's the part you object to. You don't want women to be able to decide this for themselves. YOU want to decide it for them.

So to re-cap your position, and correct me if I'm wrong here.

1) You don't want women to decide for themselves when life begins. You will make that decision for them.
2) You don't want women to be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected rights to make medical decisions for their own body.
3) You don't want women to exercise their right to give up their child for adoption to a committed gay couple.
4) You don't want any state assistance going to any woman who chooses to raise a child that she can't afford to raise.

Wow dude. Not sure why you hate women so much, but you might want to talk to someone about that.

 

[DontBeStupid]

They performed over 300,000 abortions in one year alone. What other services have they provided that equals that?

the average number is 277,000...

which is 11% of their clientele.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

and why shouldn't they? or do constitutional rights only apply to guns?

Again show me where it states in the Constitution a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

Ninth Amendment.

Anything else we can help you with?

 

[jillian]

They performed over 300,000 abortions in one year alone. What other services have they provided that equals that?

the average number is 277,000...

which is 11% of their clientele.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

and why shouldn't they? or do constitutional rights only apply to guns?

Again show me where it states in the Constitution a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

Roe v Wade has as much force and effect as Heller.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Again show me where it states in the Constitution a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

No. Hell no. Knock that shit off. You wing nuts want to babble on about how everything and anything under the sun is your right unless it's denied to you by the constitution and how the government has not place to step in, and all that bullshit. But when it comes to a person's own body, now all of a sudden we need a constitutional hall pass? You all need to get your shit together and come up with something consistent. Here, maybe you should try math. Ready? 1+1=2. Every time someone asks you a question or you need to express an opinion, just say that. It'll always be true no matter what. You can't go wrong.

 

[Dr.House]

the main function of planned parenthood is to provide women's health services. a small percentage has to do with reproductive choice.

That may be what you believe... I'd be willing to read anything you have claiming this "small percentage" as long as it isn't biased...

or do you not think women should be able to get mammograms and pap smears and birth control?

Stupid question... A little surprised and dissapointed you went there...

Besides, PP doesn't perform mammograms... They only refer...

SGK is a breast cancer organization... I wholly support their goals...

you're certainly entitled to your opinion. but in light of the above, perhaps you should at least make an effort at reconsideration.

Not a chance...

i always find it funny that 80% of anti-choice activists, and the most vocal anti-choice activists, are men.

I wouldn't say I'm an activist... Just not pro-abortion...

Sounds like you need to talk to pro-life women more often...

and we can't have government fund an abortion, heaven forbid, even though its a protected constitutional right. but we can pay for viagra? and vascectomies

you might want to consider the extraordinary level of misogyny in that.

I don't agree with the SOTUS decision...

To be honest, politically, I don't put too much emphasis on a candidate's stance on the issue... It's a wedge issue and won't be changed from it's present situation in my lifetime...

I'm more concerned with other issues...

 

[Dr.House]

I was career military...you tell me.

How about now?

I don't now, but more by accident than by conscious decision. When there are still dozens of states where I can be fired simply for being gay, there isn't a lot of choices out there.

Which states will allow you to be fired for being gay?

Do you have a list of these?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Again show me where it states in the Constitution a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

No. Hell no. Knock that shit off. You wing nuts want to babble on about how everything and anything under the sun is your right unless it's denied to you by the constitution and how the government has not place to step in, and all that bullshit. But when it comes to a person's own body, now all of a sudden we need a constitutional hall pass? You all need to get your shit together and come up with something consistent. Here, maybe you should try math. Ready? 1+1=2. Every time someone asks you a question or you need to express an opinion, just say that. It'll always be true no matter what. You can't go wrong.

Hey numbnuts, I'm not the one that stated abortion was a constitutional right. I simply challenged that statement. And of course Jillian the self proclaimed attorney... failed.