insein
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Originally posted by The Worried One
Bush himself told the American people the reason to go into Iraq was because they had weapons of mass destruction and had the capabilities to use them in a matter of minutes...not because the people there were being tortured (that sounds familiar with us being there now), and massacred. His story changed. To say we've been trying to free them from opression since the first Gulf war is not true, and we weren't trying to do that in the beginning of this war either. Now all of a sudden, when no weapons are found, we're freeing the iraqi people...how noble of us!!!! Btw, 3 of ur 5 sites were unable to be accessed.
Originally posted by The Worried One
Go back to the very beginning of Bush's term...when we first got into this. Find the first thing he told the American people...then come back to me.
Originally posted by The Worried One
We went to Iraq because of Al Quaeda. The leaders of this group tried to kill Bush's father.....Im telling you. We had no way of knowing...no proof....of any weapings of mass destruction. We KNEW for a fact that North Korea had weapons of mass destructyion YET we arent on their case, we didnt invade and force their people to create a democracy...do theses people even know whats going on? we cannot impose ideals upon countries that have no relation to such situations....it just doesnt work. SO we send our boys to Iraq...they die....and what do we do? we send more. -a Friend
Originally posted by The Worried One
Thats a very nice theory but i need some real evidence
Originally posted by The Worried One
Thats not evidence, that's theory. But i guess you republicans would be more than happy to invade syria too to find those alleged WMD
Originally posted by jimnyc
Damn, you 2 still whining about WMD?
Originally posted by jimnyc
I don't need to. I've followed this closely from day one. WMD might have been the focus for quite some time, but freeing the Iraqi people from oppression has been a goal since 1991. This cannot be denied. It was in every resolution and in almost every speech by Bush. I suggest you search a bit on this very board. This argument has been brought up time and time again and his speeches have been posted here time and time again showing the 'myriad' of reasons for entering Iraq, not just for WMD. Read the resolutions and speeches as I have requested before spouting off on only what you wanted to hear. The facts (resolutions and speeches) don't lie.
Originally posted by insein
Again perhaps you missed it.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/141224.shtml
WMD's in Syria you say? Jordan foiled a plot to kill 80,000? Syria got them from where? Iraq? No they don't have any WMDs.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=482
Whats that? Debka said that awhile ago? Hmmm...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109338,00.html
Whats that? Al Queda terror cell in iraq? Hmmm that can't be because Al Queda and Iraq don't like each other and have nothing to do with one another.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,779359,00.html
Whats that terror Camp reported in 2002 byt a Liberal newspaper? Imagine that.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/
Hmmm even CNN has shown that these attackers received training in Iraq and weapons from Syria.
I don't think you understand the words evidence and truth.
Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
If Bush really wanted to free the Iraqis from oppression, why did his daddy sit by idel when the Shia's rebelled against Saddam?
Originally posted by jimnyc
That really doesn't have much to do with what our current president has done, does it? Nor does it have anything to do with my comments. I was referring to resolutions that were put into place after the war in 1991. Yes, WMD was the main focus throughout the years. But for someone to say liberating/freeing the Iraqi people was never a goal is just being naive. Like I said, it's in every resolution since 1991 and was in nearly every speech. Resolutions 687 and 1441 called for Iraq to do a helluva lot more than just dispose of and/or prove the destruction of WMD.
Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
Liberating/freeing the Iraqi people is just a positve side effect of the war. If keeping the Iraqi people oppressed was something Shrub thought was in the national interest or his own, he would have gleefully done it. Do I even need to list all the times the US has supported oppresive governments? You think that all of a sudden, in the 90's, the US just decided that it should oppose all repressive governments? I don't think so.
Furtermore, simply violating a treaty isn't a cause for war. The only just war is one fought in response to an imminent threat, PERIOD. Hussein could have snubbed his nose at inspectors for 30 more years and not attacked the US, and had that happened, we would have avoided war altogether.
Originally posted by jimnyc
Again with the obfuscation. We aren't discussing other dictators. We aren't discussing other nations. We are discussing Iraq, the resolutions drawn up by the UN & the speeches spoken by GWB. I merely stated that freeing the Iraqi people from oppression was a goal since 1991. That statement was met with resistance. It's easily proven by reading said resolutions and speeches.
I'm not going to debate you on that as it's a loaded opinion which will vary from person to person, and I will respect your opinion. My point was that Saddam did violate the treaties, both with the WMD and with the oppression of his people.
Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
And what, pray tell, was being done to free the Iraqi people between the two gulf wars? Sanctions? Is that what was supposed to free them, sanctions? What was done to further their freedom between the two wars? A bunch of fancy speeches and unenforcible resolutions? Wow, people obviously really cared about the Iraqi people. They made speeches about them and passed resolutions and tried to starve them to death.
What exactly was Shrub going to do to free the Iraqi people had Hussein opened up Iraq to a free and unconditional search for WMD? Was Shrub going to say "Gotcha! I'm invading anyway!"? If freeing the Iraqi people was Shrub's goal, what in "Let us look for WMD and we won't invade" indicates that? Hmmm. Nothing.
A loaded opinion? That wars should not be fought as preventative measures? That was the predominating thought in the United States till Shrub came to power and gently massaged half the nation's brains. Go read history, see what kind of nations have historically invaded other countries without being attacked, see if those are the kinds of systems you would like to live under.