Ex-Employee Leaks Details About Refugee Abuse On Nauru

[NCC1701]

Not caring: ...The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing...

you don't care, you never attack the real problem which is Islam

 

[flacaltenn]

Australia is not so embarrassed that they've stopped paying Nauru.

You stop paying them and likely the non-Christian natives would boil them and eat them.

Immigration laws are strange and voluminous.. Could take a year to get a reading out 10,000 pages of law and policy. And because these refugees gain certain rights just by putting a toe on Aussie land -- they can't be housed in Australia. We do the same thing. And worse. Like when Elian Gonalez's mom gets eaten by a shark trying to bring him to America -- Feds with Guns force HIM back to Cuba.

What we DON'T KNOW -- is exactly how much oversight Aussies have committed. These people are not technically in their care if they don't have passports or a native country vouching for them.

Someone needs to provide refugee aid. It really is an International problem. If the NGOs are being BLOCKED from access by either Nauru or Aussieland or both --- that needs to be fixed.

And that is what makes me very uncomfortable - it's clearly being done in conjunction and for the Australian government, who is footing the bill. As a result they have a clear responsibility for these people.

Also - though I am not sure, many are not refugees per se, but migrants - I'm not sure how that effects things. It's not much different then our problems with migrants coming from Haiti, Cuba or accross the Mexican border. I'm not sure that makes it an international responsibility unless they are refugees.

From what I understand - and I'm going to look for more info - when Save the Children's contract was terminated, there is no NGO presence - NGO's, independent observers etc are blocked.

No country really has an obligation to folks who show up WITHOUT A PASSPORT and with no country organized enough to present a record of their lives. That alone makes it an international problem.

We even learned our lesson with Cuba. When because of our blind generosity to any Cuban reaching our shores, Castro opened his prisons and asylums and sent us HUNDREDS of them buried in a "refugee stream".. We ended up INCARCERATING about 2500 of them for a DECADE in prisons after their sentences were LONG completed. In conditions harsher than for US citizen murderers. Castro laughed his ass off and refused to take them back.

They are Australia's problem only in the sense that Aussieland was their stated destination. Would be like Turkey telling Belgium that they are holding 8500 of THEIR refugees in camps simply because those 8500 wanted to end up in Belgium.

Better to stop the war and destruction in their home countries, provide temporary camps in those areas, and allow them to petition to go elsewhere. Too risky to be 1000s of miles from your homeland with no documentation and no way to go elsewhere.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is from 2014....but things don't seem to have changed much. Apparently they are subject to so much violence on Nauru they prefer the violence in the detention centers.

Refugees living on Nauru say they want to return to camps due to violence

Refugees on Nauru say they have pleaded with Australian immigration authorities to return them to detention centres because of violence and harassment from some members of the local population.


Some women living in camps for refugees say they sleep wearing jeans because they are afraid of being raped by local men.


The release of hundreds of refugees since May has caused turmoil in the tiny Pacific nation. Many Nauruans support the refugees and treat them with kindness. But a section of the community has declared its deep antagonism toward the new arrivals.


An Iranian who asked to remain anonymous said refugees lived under constant threat of physical and verbal abuse.


“They attack the refugees,” he said. “You are walking in the street, they say ‘fuck you, go back to your camp’. They throw rocks. They spit at you. This is normal.”


Earlier this month refugees on Nauru told Guardian Australia of physical bullying in schools and regular attacks on the streets.


Australia’s immigration department has confirmed that assaults have occurred. Refugees said violent crimes were committed with impunity and there was no point complaining to police. In some cases doing so even led to reprisals, they said.
​

Another article talks about specific stories: 'Even God can’t help you here': Nauru refugees describe a life devoid of hope

Those are awful stories. There are millions of awful stories in each of their home countries as well. The fact that things are so bad in Iran that these people would flee makes me wonder why our govt is rewarding Iran with the diplomatic attention and concessions that we have given in to.

It doesn't help the 1000s of others who are politically persecuted in Iran and have to live in fear. By normalizing relations with a theocratic tyranny --- we are keeping Iran stable -- but making a lot of people more miserable and endangered. It's a calculus that stability and control IS better than anarchy and chaos in those countries.

The stories out of Nauru are from folks who victimized way before they decided to try and get into Australia. There is plenty of blame to go around.

The Arab world NEEDS to be an oppressive place. In order to keep the mayhem and the killing to a minimum.
Not enough of the freedom-seeing type of people who end up STRANDED in strange places like Nauru to change any of that.

OTH -- Folks escaping political abuse in Iran seemingly OUGHT TO BE --- exactly the type of refugee who should qualify for asylum in Australia WITHOUT the long and ugly ordeal on Nauru.

 

[idb]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

 

[Picaro]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, and China all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

 

[idb]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

 

[Picaro]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

Not interested in your infantile strawmen. Go play in a war zone. If you ever achieve the basic capacity to address what people actually said in a adult manner, get back to us. Until then just wave your wet diapers around and wrap them on your head.

 

[NCC1701]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

 

[idb]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

Not interested in your infantile strawmen. Go play in a war zone. If you ever achieve the basic capacity to address what people actually said in a adult manner, get back to us. Until then just wave your wet diapers around and wrap them on your head.

It would have been much less typing for you to write "I don't care about anyone else".
It would also make you look less stupid if you stopped tossing words like 'strawman' around to claim that you've won an argument when you obviously don't know what the word means.
Note that I didn't say 'not stupid', I said ' less stupid'.

Oh, and carry on with your tough guy persona...it's working well for you.

 

[idb]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

 

[NCC1701]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

 

[idb]

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

 

[NCC1701]

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

 

[idb]

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

 

[NCC1701]

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

don't get it

 

[idb]

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

don't get it

...years old.

 

[NCC1701]

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

don't get it

...years old.

oh hahaha, you are so witty

BTW you dick in New Zealand, when the day come that you guys have taken in all the worlds refugees then I won't laugh at you, in the meantime you pushing the rest of us to take in the worlds trash is nothing short of douchebaggery

 

[Picaro]

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

don't get it

...years old.

oh hahaha, you are so witty

BTW you dick in New Zealand, when the day come that you guys have taken in all the worlds refugees then I won't laugh at you, in the meantime you pushing the rest of us to take in the worlds trash is nothing short of douchebaggery

I bet a search of it's posting history shows very little in the way of real concern for 'The Children'; for these types they're just useful for propaganda purposes of the current moment and then discarded like yesterday's newspapers. And that's an excellent point about New Zealand; they have a lot of the usual bourgeois grandstanding and finger wagging at others about 'human rights' and the like, all aimed at western countries and never at the usual degenerate vermin who cause the problems, but they wouldn't be caught dead taking in 10's of millions of these 'refugees' and supporting them themselves; that would be 'icky n stuff'. It's 'Everybody Else's Job', you know ... Total shallow hypocrites.

 

[Picaro]

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

higher standards does not mean taking in the victims of their lower standards

No, but when you have them it means treating them humanely.

humanely does not mean letting them in, they chose to leave

Are you nine?

Even if he were he would still be 3 times more mature than you are.

 

[Picaro]

Pretty fucking unreal. This is a thread about a horrifically abusive situation in a migrant detention center, of a supposedly civilized country, that has nothing to do with Muslims, where the migrants aren't even all or mostly Muslim and you guys have to turn it into a vehicle for your anti-muslim propoganda hatefest?????

Children should never be incarcerated with adult males of ANY religion. Men and women should be segregated. The abuse is being perpetrated by the guards and men incarcerated in the center. There is no independent human rights observer, no media access and no oversight.

This thread has also shown the fundamental lack of understanding about, or empathy for people that become refugees because they have no other options available to them.

What it shows is that western countries are the only cultures that even have options for refugees, and the usual astro-turfers will never in a million years deplore that and criticize anybody but western countries, as if it's all our problem and nobody else's, and they should just accept them without question no matter how many of them there are for some weird reason they can never explain with any sense.

Iran, Brunei, Pakistan, north Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all have plenty of room as well, and they much closer to boot. Snivel and cry about them for once.

So Western countries shouldn't hold themselves to a higher standard than those other countries.
It's OK to for us to allow rape and child molestation in our detention camps because they do.

Don't you think that some of those refugees might be trying to escape that very culture?

arrogance to say western nations must have higher standard, you are implicitly being elitist, some sort of disorder where you must feel like you can save the world because you are better, and I am tired of paying for your mental health issues

Read the thread.
Posters are saying that these people come from countries that condone rape and mistreatment - implying that they're less civilised than us.
Is that the standard we should adopt as well?

Who said anything like that, moron? Can't make a point without strawmen, can you?