even women seeing that marriage is an outdated, sheepish concept

[mudwhistle]

That's an odd take on it, Mud. I don't feel "guilty" for my blessings at all. I've had to fight an up hill battle all my life to maintain, and I'm proud and grateful of and for what I've done so far. I simply empathize with those who face similar or greater challenges than I've dealt with, and believe that the system is rigged to create winners (a few) and losers (the masses that serve the few), and that a better ordered society would be more equitable. That equality would produce more productive people (for generations!), and society as a whole would benefit from their talents and efforts. As it is, we squander and suppress much of our talent for the benefit of the masters, and its a form of protectionism for certain markets, and a low wage labor platform for most others.

My explanation was a simplification of what I really feel. I don't think liberals really want absolute equality. Their tax ideas prove this. Their negligence in enforcing immigration laws does this as well.

I have many liberal beliefs but I choose not to be one because I don't like the way Democrats tend to divide us rather then bring us together...or the way the buy votes with entitlement programs.

In a battle case by case on the issues they tend to be on a weak footing so they use class-warfare, character assassination, finger-pointing, and race-baiting to eliminate the competition rather then winning on the positive aspects of their programs. They try to prove how much worse off we would be if we didn't spend trillions of dollars that seemed to just evaporate and leave no lasting effect. Many times it doesn't matter what their programs do...it's more important to keep their good intentions in mind.

When I say "They" I mean Congressional Democrats in Washington.

Liberals in general are a mixed group...not of the same mind. Closer to a Democracy....but not quite a Goat-fuck.

Yes....there are terrible things that happen in the world...but some that you support believe it or not are the cause of some of those things. They're just feeding you a line and trying to get you distracted while they pull the latest scam on all of us.

When I say "They" I mean Congressional Democrats in Washington.

Liberals in general are a mixed group...not of the same mind. Closer to a Democracy....but not quite a Goat-fuck.

We are never going to see eye to eye on any of this, but I do appreciate the clarification above.

I never say never. I can usually get along with anyone in person. I'm friendly and out-going. I just have my beliefs and think everyone should live and let live.

I don't believe that only one side is guilty...just one side is more guilty then the other. I guess if you spend enough time in say...Harvard..you'll be so anti-American you'll end up going nuts from all of the injustices you think you see or have been made aware of.

Yes...terrible things have happened in our past but unlike many other countries we've risen above them and tried to better ourselves. My problem is with those who point solely at our flaws and not our gifts.

 

[mudwhistle]

I can't assume they're easy to lump together. They all have different yet sometimes similar motivations for their politics.

Some feel guilty because of a class they took in college.

Some feel guilty because of all of the evil thoughts they've had in their lives.

Some feel guilty for all of the evil they have done to others.

Some of them however are genuinely compassionate people who feel guilty for all of the blessings they've had in life.

That's an odd take on it, Mud. I don't feel "guilty" for my blessings at all. I've had to fight an up hill battle all my life to maintain, and I'm proud and grateful of and for what I've done so far. I simply empathize with those who face similar or greater challenges than I've dealt with, and believe that the system is rigged to create winners (a few) and losers (the masses that serve the few), and that a better ordered society would be more equitable. That equality would produce more productive people (for generations!), and society as a whole would benefit from their talents and efforts. As it is, we squander and suppress much of our talent for the benefit of the masters, and its a form of protectionism for certain markets, and a low wage labor platform for most others.

who is squandering their talents for the benefit of hte masters? who are the winners in this system? who are the people being held down in your imaginary world? you know what you need to do, and I think this could solve our immigration debate. what you need to do is take this line of reasoning to the desert of arizona. whenever you come across someone who is risking their life to come to the US, you should ask them, do you really know what you're getting into? do you realize you are about to enter a society that is going to enslave you and rape you of your talents? maybe you would be able to convince some of them to stay in mexico.

I think going to AZ and having your dog bring back a severed head thinking it's a toy will shock you into reality.

 

[Barb]

My "imaginary world?"
The warning wouldn't work, you know. Its always worse somewhere else. Besides that, if you ever considered US policy toward Latin America, there's a major contributive reason things are so shitty down south of our borders. Those past practices? They're being brought back home, if in a lesser purely concentration of pure evil as other places on the map. When a people in an established economy, who are paying bills structured to support both the private and government sectors, the imposition of third world pay and benefit standards is unrealistic, and unsustainable for the economy as a whole. A little reminder: The American worker who makes a decent wage is the backbone of our economy. The billionaire only needs so many widgets. Those who work every week make up a vastly larger demographic. Ford knew this, and he was hardly a leftist thinker.

 

[RightNorLeft]

There is a reason liberals hate traditional marriage.

And there is a reason liberals end up as the bitter, aging hipsters that they are, like Bill Mahr, Michael Moore, Bill Ayers, etc. They don't have the capability to find intrinsic happiness in life, through things like grandkids, faith, providing a better future for one's kids by not setting them up for bankruptcy.

Liberals only know external happiness: Sexual pleasure, drugs, government entitlement checks, etc. Any restrictions on those external pleasures they despise. Which is why they hate marriage, independence, freedom, profits and the traditional nuclear family.

Strange

I have been happily married for 30 years

Lol....liberals will find a way to attack any traditional institution...be it marriage, faith..etc....thats the only way they can feel they have a purpose and not just slash thier own throats...Libs..Just GITTER DONE...lol

 

[mudwhistle]

My "imaginary world?"
The warning wouldn't work, you know. Its always worse somewhere else. Besides that, if you ever considered US policy toward Latin America, there's a major contributive reason things are so shitty down south of our borders. Those past practices? They're being brought back home, if in a lesser purely concentration of pure evil as other places on the map. When a people in an established economy, who are paying bills structured to support both the private and government sectors, the imposition of third world pay and benefit standards is unrealistic, and unsustainable for the economy as a whole. A little reminder: The American worker who makes a decent wage is the backbone of our economy. The billionaire only needs so many widgets. Those who work every week make up a vastly larger demographic. Ford knew this, and he was hardly a leftist thinker.

I wonder if all of the ills of Brazil and Mexico can be blamed on US policies.

I think it has more to do with corrupt governments then US policies.

 

[Barb]

My "imaginary world?"
The warning wouldn't work, you know. Its always worse somewhere else. Besides that, if you ever considered US policy toward Latin America, there's a major contributive reason things are so shitty down south of our borders. Those past practices? They're being brought back home, if in a lesser purely concentration of pure evil as other places on the map. When a people in an established economy, who are paying bills structured to support both the private and government sectors, the imposition of third world pay and benefit standards is unrealistic, and unsustainable for the economy as a whole. A little reminder: The American worker who makes a decent wage is the backbone of our economy. The billionaire only needs so many widgets. Those who work every week make up a vastly larger demographic. Ford knew this, and he was hardly a leftist thinker.

I wonder if all of the ills of Brazil and Mexico can be blamed on US policies.

I think it has more to do with corrupt governments then US policies.

Our policies supported corrupt governments.

 

[cad]

My "imaginary world?"
The warning wouldn't work, you know. Its always worse somewhere else. Besides that, if you ever considered US policy toward Latin America, there's a major contributive reason things are so shitty down south of our borders. Those past practices? They're being brought back home, if in a lesser purely concentration of pure evil as other places on the map. When a people in an established economy, who are paying bills structured to support both the private and government sectors, the imposition of third world pay and benefit standards is unrealistic, and unsustainable for the economy as a whole. A little reminder: The American worker who makes a decent wage is the backbone of our economy. The billionaire only needs so many widgets. Those who work every week make up a vastly larger demographic. Ford knew this, and he was hardly a leftist thinker.

yes, because latin america was paradise before the US got involved. but again i ask, how is our (i assumed you were talking about the US)system rigged? who's talents are being squandered? who are the masters? who is being held back? our system allows for great upward mobility, more so than any other system in the history of mankind. that's why people come here.

 

[Avatar4321]

Not for nothin', but some of you guys could politicize the eternal "over or under toilet paper" debate.

Why's it so hard to admit there are people of good character on either side of most issues?

Please. We all know that the toilet paper coming over is the right way. Anyone who says otherwise is a marxist.

I dont think it's hard to admit that there are people of good character on either side of most issues.