Even Obama Knows The End Is Near

[mudwhistle]

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He "destroyed" their lives? How? Was your life destroyed by being laid off? Is that why you sit around and post here?
For every person laid off at a Bain company about 100 continued in their jobs or were hired.

But that's not true.

A lot of those people worked in small towns where that plant or that factory was the only decent employer.

Some of those folks had serious medical issues as a result of occupational hazards, such as GST, and found their medical coverage was cut off.

And frankly, as far as the jobs Bain created, even Romney is running away from those numbers. He's not claiming Bain created any jobs... because they didnt'.

Of course he's not. The purpose of a private-capitalist like Bain Capital is to streamline operations and make businesses profitable again. Anyone who says the primary goal of any business is job creation is lying.

Get a clue. A successful business is a profitable business, and a profitable business tends to create jobs by default.

 

[FJO]

Romney didn't serve. Just like Clinton. So what?

Why didn't you make E-7?

Clinton didn't serve because he thought the war was a bad idea.

Romney thought it was a wonderful idea. As long as someone else was doing the fighting.

Again, can you please defend Romney without comparing him to someone else? Is this REALLY that hard for you.

I think that keeping public washrooms dirty is a bad idea.

But I don't think that it should be ME to keep them clean. Are you willing, ready and able to scrub the floors and clean the bowls?

If not, you must be thinking that it is a wonderful idea, as long as you don't have to do the cleaning.

I don't expect that you will see the similarity.

Even more so, I don't expect that you will see your own hypocrisy.

 

[FJO]

Even Obama Knows The End Is Near

Actually, Mudd Butt....Obama ALREADY got him!!!!

The Navy SEALS, on Obama's order, killed a pathetic, weak, powerless old man who was reduced to live in squalor and spend his time watching porn.

Obama's glorious victory over this sad caricature of a formerly powerful idealogical leader rings about as genuine as a victory of the New England Patriots over the local high school football team would be.

When George W. Bush said that he could not care less where Osama bin Laden was hiding, he knew that already.

By May, 2011, Osama bin Laden was totally spent force, hated even by his underlings, who tried everything they could to replace him.

Killing Osama is just an excuse to claim undeserved credit for all the groundwork of President George W. Bush.

 

[Misty]

I run a small (very small lol) business and when there is no work coming in there is no money coming in and when no money comes in you can't pay people therefore you must lay people off. Or retrench by cutting costs and guess what costs the most? Employees and it's because of the payroll taxes insurance workman's comp that causes most employers to be forced to pay lower wages and forces employers to lay off employees cuz that's where most of the money goes. To the employers and the government not the business owner.

 

[mudwhistle]

That idiot couldn't even make E-7 in the Army. You expect him to succeed in the civilian sector?

He comes across as a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing inbred.

I should point out that only about 1% of people who enlist make it to E-7.

Actually, they offered me an E-7 slot at the time I was up for re-enlistment to get me to re-up.

But to get E-7, I'd have to go to another MOS School, and because they shifted all the NCODP requirements in the early 1990's, I'd have to go to both BNCOC and ANCOC. So I was looking at least another 24 weeks of additional training to do something I wasn't really all that interested in doing anymore. (Also, the military was seriously downsizing after the Gulf War, so there was no promise the unit I was going to would even be around in a year, and in a year, it wasn't.)

I know you need to make this about me, because, hey, you've been brainwashed into thinking the wealthy are better than the rest of us somehow....

You probably could have challenged yourself by going into a critical MOS but most in supply are uneasy about it. My MOS was critical but I wanted to stop being merely a technician. I wanted to take risks. I'm not sorry I did.

 

[mudwhistle]

Getting this thread back on track......Obama's biggest fault is a lack of something great leaders have.

Courage.

Bombing terrorists with drone attacks isn't brave. Being brave means facing up to criticism after you know you screwed up. Obama never does this. Instead he attacks anyone who points out his screwups. Only a coward does this. Seems to me everyone, including Democrats, are growing tired of defending him.

Why should they?

He never wants to back them up when they need it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Getting this thread back on track......Obama's biggest fault is a lack of something great leaders have.

Courage.

Bombing terrorists with drone attacks isn't brave. Being brave means facing up to criticism after you know you screwed up. Obama never does this. Instead he attacks anyone who points out his screwups. Only a coward does this. Seems to me everyone, including Democrats, are growing tired of defending him.

Why should they?

He never wants to back them up when they need it.

You're right but it's mroe than that. Obama has no experience. Like i anything. So he cannot look at an issue and use his best judgment. Nor can he have the courage of his convictions once he makes a decision. All of this comes out in his weak vacillating policy pronouncements that even Dems don't take seriously anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

He can't liquidate the assets of the US like he did AmPad or GS Steel. He actualy has to solve the problems.

Like Obama's doing?

Okay, let's look at that.

Bin Laden- Solved.
GM- Solved.
The plummet in the Stock Market- Solved.
46 million uninsured- Solved.
Getting us out of Iraq- Solved.
Getting Khadafy- Solved.
Reforming the financial industry- Solved.

I disagree with a lot Obama has done, but one can argue he solved a lot of problems.

Now, lets look at Romney's accomplishments as governor...

Um...

He created the beta version of ObamaCare. That's it.

He polled so badly that he didn't even bother running for a second term.

And, oh, yeah, there is no way he's going to take Massachusetts in November. Obama leads him there by 20 points. Now, it's kind of a sad commentary when you are a major presidential candidate and you have to concede your home state.

 

[JoeB131]

Getting this thread back on track......Obama's biggest fault is a lack of something great leaders have.

Courage.

Bombing terrorists with drone attacks isn't brave. Being brave means facing up to criticism after you know you screwed up. Obama never does this. Instead he attacks anyone who points out his screwups. Only a coward does this. Seems to me everyone, including Democrats, are growing tired of defending him.

Why should they?

He never wants to back them up when they need it.

So when they asked Dubya in 2004 if he ever made a mistake, and he said he couldn't think of one, were you this upset? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[JoeB131]

You probably could have challenged yourself by going into a critical MOS but most in supply are uneasy about it. My MOS was critical but I wanted to stop being merely a technician. I wanted to take risks. I'm not sorry I did.

Actually, I loved being in Supply. I was very good at it. And it's pretty much what I do in civilian life since, and I'm pretty good at that.

The reason I got out was after the Gulf War, (you know, the one where we had to take out a guy Reagan insisted up and down was our bestest bud in the 1990's) I just didn't see a point to it. Yeah, it made sense to me when it was the 1980's, and we were facing down the threat of teh Soviet union, but what we've done since then is get involved in the Middle East Hornet's nest trying to decide which hornets are our friends.

Who needs that shit?

 

[JoeB131]

Perhaps you wouldn't be laid off if you were worth a shit?

Just a thought...

Um... nope.

1996- Got laid off because the company closed it's entire Chicago Branch on the theory they could service the Chicago Area from Milwaukee where the owners lived. They couldn't. Company was out of business a year later.

2001- Got laid off because the company I worked for reorganized, eliminating our entire department. Again. Nothing to do with me personally.

2008- Got laid off because the company I worked for lost it's biggest account. Even then, they struggled to keep me around for a year as they worked to get that account back, and they had no one else who really understood it, so they had me doing "busy work".

Of four companies I've left in the last 20 years, three of them approached me to go work for them again.

So, uh, no, guy. Please stop trying to make my disdain for the way business is frequently done in this country about me.

I could give you a similar sob story about how I became disenchanted with unions, with one exception: After the union stabbed me in the back, I was never again a member of one.

Since you don't go into detail, I really can't evaluate. I gave specific examples of corporate bad behavior.

Incidently, I think unions do have a lot of problems. I think in a lot of ways, they've become obsolete (as government does what they used to do) and parochial (only looking out for their own, and not workers in general, making it easy for demagogues like Walker to "divide and conquer".)

They have their purpose, though, to advocate for working people against folks who would screw them given the oppurtunity.

 

[mal]

Bin Laden- Solved. GM- Solved.

Using W's War Machine and Tools that Barry himself Spoke out Against when Bush was President.

The plummet in the Stock Market- Solved.

How did he Solve the Generational Correction?... Aside from continuing Bushes Policies and Expanding his Spending?

46 million uninsured- Solved.

Dishonest number and a Dishonest conclusion.

Getting us out of Iraq- Solved.

We are not out and he did what was on the Bush Timeline.

Getting Khadafy- Solved.

When did he get on the list?... And point me to where Obama Consulted Congress AT ALL... You guys complained about Bush not "Declarng War" in Iraq... At least Bush got Congressional Approval AND waited 5 months.

Reforming the financial industry- Solved.

You can go ahead an Illustrate that one.



peace...

 

[JoeB131]

When did Khadafy get on the list?

How about when REagan put him there?

This is another wonderful example of Republicans being totally against something they used to be for, Until The Black Guy Did It.

Now, incidently, I personally am not thrilled with our Libya intervention. I think it's another case of fisting the Hornet's nest and wondering why we get stung.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Wow, you're delusional.

They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.

Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.

Finally joe has come out of the obama closet to show who he truly is.

 

[Mac1958]

When did Khadafy get on the list?

How about when REagan put him there?

This is another wonderful example of Republicans being totally against something they used to be for, Until The Black Guy Did It.

Now, incidently, I personally am not thrilled with our Libya intervention. I think it's another case of fisting the Hornet's nest and wondering why we get stung.

Boy oh boy, tough to find a thread around here that hasn't degenerated into 7th-grade name calling and personal insults. Nice to see something I can latch on to. It's getting tougher and tougher.

Sticking our nose into hornets' nests appears to be our specialty. Now, while the Republicans appear to be far more willing to both stick our noses into hornets' nests and defend their decision when our face is covered in stings, the Democrats can't say their hands are clean either.

Is it something in the freakin' water in Washington DC, this notion that we're the World's Policeman? And why are we so willing to ignore the costs and long term downsides of such a policy?

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[mal]

When did Khadafy get on the list?

How about when REagan put him there?

This is another wonderful example of Republicans being totally against something they used to be for, Until The Black Guy Did It.

Now, incidently, I personally am not thrilled with our Libya intervention. I think it's another case of fisting the Hornet's nest and wondering why we get stung.

He didn't get Congressional Authorization...

As Unconstitutional an Act as has been Perped by a President.



peace...

 

[mal]

Bin Laden- Solved. GM- Solved.

Using W's War Machine and Tools that Barry himself Spoke out Against when Bush was President.

The plummet in the Stock Market- Solved.

How did he Solve the Generational Correction?... Aside from continuing Bushes Policies and Expanding his Spending?



Dishonest number and a Dishonest conclusion.



We are not out and he did what was on the Bush Timeline.

Getting Khadafy- Solved.

When did he get on the list?... And point me to where Obama Consulted Congress AT ALL... You guys complained about Bush not "Declarng War" in Iraq... At least Bush got Congressional Approval AND waited 5 months.

Reforming the financial industry- Solved.

You can go ahead an Illustrate that one.



peace...

One Fail down Joe... You still have a few other Fails there yet to be had.



peace...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

 

[JoeB131]

Wow, you're delusional.

They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.

Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.

Finally joe has come out of the obama closet to show who he truly is.

I've been pretty clear all along that I wouldn't support Romney under any circumstances.

Labels of "conservative" and "liberal" are about as meaningful as "Cubs" and "White Sox" to me at this point. Possibly less so.

The real problem is the "Conservative" movement is finding ways to get dumb working people like you to vote against your own economic interests.

"Well, Clem, I lost my pension, my good paying Job, my health coverage and economic Security, and I can be fired at a whim at 50 and replaced by a girl with nice breasts, but dang-it, I still gots my gun! And them Homos can't get married."

Seriously?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Wow, you're delusional.

They've focus-grouped the Bain Stuff. It doesn't play well to the wealthy, but to working folks, it resonates.

Becuase everyone who has ever worked for a living has encountered a POS in a suit like Romney who laid them off at least once.

Finally joe has come out of the obama closet to show who he truly is.

I've been pretty clear all along that I wouldn't support Romney under any circumstances.

Labels of "conservative" and "liberal" are about as meaningful as "Cubs" and "White Sox" to me at this point. Possibly less so.

The real problem is the "Conservative" movement is finding ways to get dumb working people like you to vote against your own economic interests.

"Well, Clem, I lost my pension, my good paying Job, my health coverage and economic Security, and I can be fired at a whim at 50 and replaced by a girl with nice breasts, but dang-it, I still gots my gun! And them Homos can't get married."

Seriously?

Dude you have hidden your support for obama until now. I don't support Romney but I would never vote for obama either/.