Euthanasia

[PoliticalChic]

Ever hear of the Nazis?

They had consensus.

Wise up.

WTFFFF???
Do you think the Jews in the camps CONSENTED to that treatment?

let me repeat
WTFFFFFFFFFF???

That's why the forces had to use FORCE
because what they were doing was COERCION not CONSENSUS

You argue that Obama's idea of consensus is coercion too!

That is NOT consensus! You know this! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.....

The people who lived in the towns next to the concentration camps were fine with it.This is why they were forced to march through when the camps were liberated. The consensus of the German people was that the concentration camps were okay.

As far as euthanasia goes, you're all living in the past.

Oh, yeah, because you and yours will be the first people EVER to do it right!

You betcha.

BTW, euthanasia of mentally ill subjects, mentally retarded people, physically defective or ill people has already been applied..and it is ALWAYS a revolting mess. And every one of the people that try to pass it off as the *civilized* and *kind* thing to do...were either lying about their intent, or unable to keep it from being anything except a morass of human rights violations, abuse, torture and murder...that ultimately the people who were complicit in were tried and found guilty for.

In the progressive Utopia of the Netherlands, they admittedly killed off a bunch of people without actually having their consent, and they admittedly have all sorts of violations of every ethical code known to man in the application of their wonderful "legal kill off" laws.

Keep in mind, the Netherlands is home to some of the best racist pukes ever born!

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

 

[koshergrl]

That's all they're talking about. Thinning the herd using negative eugenics.

Just like good old hitler did.

 

[rightwinger]

That's all they're talking about. Thinning the herd using negative eugenics.

Just like good old hitler did.

Who is saying that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

That's all they're talking about. Thinning the herd using negative eugenics.

Just like good old hitler did.

And that was the basis of the opening of the OP.....from the Left, every iteration....now concern for the lives of other human beings.

What has happened to Americans, to swap that concern for the material rewards that big government offers?

 

[koshergrl]

Americans sold out. It's been a process. When we started to cater to the most depraved, laziest, and stupidest, we set ourselves up for this.

 

[emilynghiem]

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

Well it must not be working.
Given the likes of people on here!
Ha ha!

 

[PoliticalChic]

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

Well it must not be working.
Given the likes of people on here!
Ha ha!

You're really not equipped to understand any of this, are you.

 

[rightwinger]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

 

[Taz]

Ever hear of the Nazis?

They had consensus.

Wise up.

WTFFFF???
Do you think the Jews in the camps CONSENTED to that treatment?

let me repeat
WTFFFFFFFFFF???

That's why the forces had to use FORCE
because what they were doing was COERCION not CONSENSUS

You argue that Obama's idea of consensus is coercion too!

That is NOT consensus! You know this! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.....

The people who lived in the towns next to the concentration camps were fine with it.This is why they were forced to march through when the camps were liberated. The consensus of the German people was that the concentration camps were okay.

As far as euthanasia goes, you're all living in the past.

Oh, yeah, because you and yours will be the first people EVER to do it right!

You betcha.

BTW, euthanasia of mentally ill subjects, mentally retarded people, physically defective or ill people has already been applied..and it is ALWAYS a revolting mess. And every one of the people that try to pass it off as the *civilized* and *kind* thing to do...were either lying about their intent, or unable to keep it from being anything except a morass of human rights violations, abuse, torture and murder...that ultimately the people who were complicit in were tried and found guilty for.

In the progressive Utopia of the Netherlands, they admittedly killed off a bunch of people without actually having their consent, and they admittedly have all sorts of violations of every ethical code known to man in the application of their wonderful "legal kill off" laws.

Keep in mind, the Netherlands is home to some of the best racist pukes ever born!

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

You two are just using bogus arguments against the right to die because you're hiding your true reason: your religious objection to not having to suffer until god takes your last breath, or some other mumbo jumbo like that. If there are problems with the current system, sure let's fix them, but the concept of individuals being able to control their own destiny is indisputable.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

 

[PoliticalChic]

WTFFFF???
Do you think the Jews in the camps CONSENTED to that treatment?

let me repeat
WTFFFFFFFFFF???

That's why the forces had to use FORCE
because what they were doing was COERCION not CONSENSUS

You argue that Obama's idea of consensus is coercion too!

That is NOT consensus! You know this! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.....

The people who lived in the towns next to the concentration camps were fine with it.This is why they were forced to march through when the camps were liberated. The consensus of the German people was that the concentration camps were okay.

As far as euthanasia goes, you're all living in the past.

Oh, yeah, because you and yours will be the first people EVER to do it right!

You betcha.

BTW, euthanasia of mentally ill subjects, mentally retarded people, physically defective or ill people has already been applied..and it is ALWAYS a revolting mess. And every one of the people that try to pass it off as the *civilized* and *kind* thing to do...were either lying about their intent, or unable to keep it from being anything except a morass of human rights violations, abuse, torture and murder...that ultimately the people who were complicit in were tried and found guilty for.

In the progressive Utopia of the Netherlands, they admittedly killed off a bunch of people without actually having their consent, and they admittedly have all sorts of violations of every ethical code known to man in the application of their wonderful "legal kill off" laws.

Keep in mind, the Netherlands is home to some of the best racist pukes ever born!

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

You two are just using bogus arguments against the right to die because you're hiding your true reason: your religious objection to not having to suffer until god takes your last breath, or some other mumbo jumbo like that. If there are problems with the current system, sure let's fix them, but the concept of individuals being able to control their own destiny is indisputable.

Either you are pretending not to understand the focus of the thread, or you are really stupid.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider the latter to be the case.

 

[Taz]

The people who lived in the towns next to the concentration camps were fine with it.This is why they were forced to march through when the camps were liberated. The consensus of the German people was that the concentration camps were okay.

As far as euthanasia goes, you're all living in the past.

Oh, yeah, because you and yours will be the first people EVER to do it right!

You betcha.

BTW, euthanasia of mentally ill subjects, mentally retarded people, physically defective or ill people has already been applied..and it is ALWAYS a revolting mess. And every one of the people that try to pass it off as the *civilized* and *kind* thing to do...were either lying about their intent, or unable to keep it from being anything except a morass of human rights violations, abuse, torture and murder...that ultimately the people who were complicit in were tried and found guilty for.

In the progressive Utopia of the Netherlands, they admittedly killed off a bunch of people without actually having their consent, and they admittedly have all sorts of violations of every ethical code known to man in the application of their wonderful "legal kill off" laws.

Keep in mind, the Netherlands is home to some of the best racist pukes ever born!

And predecessors of the same ilk had a fine ol' time with eugenics.

Some things never change.

You two are just using bogus arguments against the right to die because you're hiding your true reason: your religious objection to not having to suffer until god takes your last breath, or some other mumbo jumbo like that. If there are problems with the current system, sure let's fix them, but the concept of individuals being able to control their own destiny is indisputable.

Either you are pretending not to understand the focus of the thread, or you are really stupid.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider the latter to be the case.

You can't respond to my thread properly, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and consider that you know that I'm right.

 

[rightwinger]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

Its a shame really that you take what could be an interesting discussion and turn it into another "liberals are Nazis" rant

You used to be an interesting poster before you started your "Watch me piss off the liberals" persona

You are a bright girl and could contribute a lot to the discussion. Too bad you have given it all up so that you can play internet games

 

[Taz]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

ObamaCare Death Panels a Myth
"Certainly the scariest rumor surrounding the health care reform law -- ObamaCare -- holds that it establishes government "death panels" assigned to encourage elderly Americans to opt-out of life extending treatment in order to reduce Medicare expenses. This rumor is false."

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

ObamaCare Death Panels a Myth
"Certainly the scariest rumor surrounding the health care reform law -- ObamaCare -- holds that it establishes government "death panels" assigned to encourage elderly Americans to opt-out of life extending treatment in order to reduce Medicare expenses. This rumor is false."

1. "Steven Lawrence Rattner (born July 5, 1952) is an American financier who served as lead adviser to the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry in 2009 for the Obama administration."
Steven Rattner - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. "Beyond Obamacare
By STEVEN RATTNER
Published: September 16, 2012

WE need death panels.

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=0


3. "[Democrat] GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE'"

GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY IF VERY ILL HAVE DUTY TO DIE - NYTimes.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

Its a shame really that you take what could be an interesting discussion and turn it into another "liberals are Nazis" rant

You used to be an interesting poster before you started your "Watch me piss off the liberals" persona

You are a bright girl and could contribute a lot to the discussion. Too bad you have given it all up so that you can play internet games

This is not a game to me, it is a mission.

You should consider the possibility that everything I say is true,

 

[rightwinger]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

Its a shame really that you take what could be an interesting discussion and turn it into another "liberals are Nazis" rant

You used to be an interesting poster before you started your "Watch me piss off the liberals" persona

You are a bright girl and could contribute a lot to the discussion. Too bad you have given it all up so that you can play internet games

This is not a game to me, it is a mission.

You should consider the possibility that everything I say is true,

I really don't care

People come on this board for different reasons. If your reason for being here is to construct bizarre hate threads and giggle while liberals are outraged....have a good time

Like I told you a long time ago, I don't bother reading your posts. I just sit on the outside, mock you, and move on

You get your jollies your way, I get mine my way

 

[PratchettFan]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

Its a shame really that you take what could be an interesting discussion and turn it into another "liberals are Nazis" rant

You used to be an interesting poster before you started your "Watch me piss off the liberals" persona

You are a bright girl and could contribute a lot to the discussion. Too bad you have given it all up so that you can play internet games

This is not a game to me, it is a mission.

You should consider the possibility that everything I say is true,

I've considered the possibility. I've looked at your arguments and sources. You're wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As usual, PC is taking a legitimate issue and twisting it to fit her rightwing agenda

Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society. What is proposed is not forcing terminal patients to suffer while they "wait to die" from natural causes

I appreciate you recognizing "a legitimate issue."



But you are incorrect here: "Nobody is advicating death camps or weeding out the weak from our society."



What I posted about the lack of concern for human beings being inseparable from Lefts doctrine....communist, Nazi, socialist, Progressive, etc. is fact.

Your confederates tried to slip the idea of euthanasia into the original ObamaCare bill....

1. "Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia, assisted suicide
I wrote August 10 about the now infamous Section 1233 in a House version of the nationalized healthcare plan, which has concerned even healthcare proponents as pushing euthanasia on the elderly."
Section 1233 authors are major proponents of euthanasia assisted suicide - Jill Stanek

2. "WASHINGTON - When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1."
ObamaCare Section 1233 Is Still Alive and Kicking Babal Blog



3. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

Its a shame really that you take what could be an interesting discussion and turn it into another "liberals are Nazis" rant

You used to be an interesting poster before you started your "Watch me piss off the liberals" persona

You are a bright girl and could contribute a lot to the discussion. Too bad you have given it all up so that you can play internet games

This is not a game to me, it is a mission.

You should consider the possibility that everything I say is true,

I really don't care

People come on this board for different reasons. If your reason for being here is to construct bizarre hate threads and giggle while liberals are outraged....have a good time

Like I told you a long time ago, I don't bother reading your posts. I just sit on the outside, mock you, and move on

You get your jollies your way, I get mine my way

"....construct bizarre hate threads and giggle while liberals are outraged....have a good time."

That's actually truth and enlightenment that I provide.

And that is the explanation for the all the enraged responses from you folks, while ignoring the content that I post.

That's true, isn't it.

 

[PostmodernProph]

my dad lived to 95, my mother to 93.....neither thought it was that great.....